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post May 18 2012, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 18 2012, 08:21 AM)
Do you think the economy of Msia will ever surpass Singapore?
If not then SGD should be well safer than RGT in the long haul.

Thought ALL wills will take into account of that?

i am in AIMS, Sabana and Cambridge.
Waiting for First to retreat further hopefully to 85.
Still only 20% of my intended allocation!
Its very difficult to catch these fishes...

Plantation REITS?  What do they do?
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er.. side track a bit ar Mods.
Wills - Wills written in country A MAY not be executable fully in country B, thus in country B, it may be as good as dying intestate.
Usually, only non-moveable assets like physical properties are affected BUT to be on the safe side, best to have a Will drawn up in EACH country U have assets in.
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Plantation REITs? Something like BSDREIT http://www.al-hadharahboustead.com.my/overview.html

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Income Streams

Under the Al-Hadharah Boustead REIT, plantation assets will be leased back to the vendors for a three-year renewable tenancy with a cumulative period of up to thirty years. At the end of every three years, the fixed rental will be reviewed and a new rental will be agreed between the parties. The new rental will be determined based on historical crude palm oil (CPO) prices, prevailing and expected future CPO prices, cost of production, extraction rates and yield per hectare. Hence, income sources for Al-Hadharah Boustead REIT include:

Fixed Rental

With the renewal of the Ijarah agreement effective from 1 January 2010, the fixed rental income for the second tenancy term is increased from Tenants will pay a cumulative fixed rental of approximately RM53.2 million to RM57.8 million per annum for the first tenancy term of three years. This will be payable on a bi-monthly basis.

Performance-Based Profit Sharing

In addition to a fixed rental, the Al-Hadharah Boustead REIT may enjoy an annual profit sharing of net incremental income based on a formula pegged to CPO and fresh fruit bunch (FFB) prices. This net incremental income is determined based on the actual CPO price realised for the year, above the reference price of RM2,000 per MT for the first next three years. It will be shared on a 50:50 basis between the Tenants and the Fund. This profit sharing payment is the first of its kind in the REIT market and may translate into more handsome distribution yields for unitholders.

Capital Gains

Given the development potential of some of the plantation assets, especially those located in prime locations; there is a potential upside for capital gains. The gains realised may be distributed as bonus distributions.
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post May 18 2012, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 18 2012, 08:37 AM)
Thanks

I suppose our wills will cover those stocks held IN TRUST of the Msian stcokbrokers.
However for stcoks bought overseas, that maybe the case

hahh its renting lands.....hows the returns on this one?
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Wills - yup, spot on.

BSDREIT returns? er.. something like this
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post May 18 2012, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 18 2012, 08:49 AM)
Thanks mate...you a FULL time investor?   biggrin.gif

You are TOPs in sharing info.........   thumbup.gif

BTW SREITs look good for fishing today......down day
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Brother ProphetJul, i wish i had enough assets like U to be a full time investor notworthy.gif
Heheh - i'm not very hungry to climb much higher the career ladder.

I can share easily coz i'm "anal retentive" when it comes to tracking my holdings mar hehe.
Only can share what i know/did though, not speculations/trades.

SREITs, generally fell like a few % but not enough to stir me to plonk in my "backup $" (held back for value buying/bottom fishing when SHTF).
Hehhe - still accumulating my bullets to refill spent shots for REITs recently.

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post May 28 2012, 05:24 PM

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post May 29 2012, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ May 29 2012, 03:59 AM)
quite unreliable table. better delete it.  hmm.gif
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yes sir, very good sir - deleted.
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QUOTE(elea88 @ May 30 2012, 08:58 AM)
May i know how to buy SREITS? also, which brokerage offer this.
Any websites to recommend .. i want consider buying s reits. if the return is much better.
thanks in advance
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ProphetJul is using ECMLibra i think
Me, i'm on HLeBroking
Similar costs of transactions - trust account.
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post May 31 2012, 11:28 AM

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Really dumb/virgin Question:
Private placement Vs IPO for the same stock/offering.

What are the pros/cons of trying for a Private Placement, say.. IGB REIT, instead of trying for IPO?

From what i managed to get poking around (please correct if i'm mistaken):
for Private Placement
a. Minimum $250K "try"
but usually won't get 100%, if "lucky", maybe 50%, usually lower than even that

b. 20% cash up-front * $xxxK trying for (depending on Investment Bank)
Remainder, paid later when exact lots are allocated.

er.. my apologies for such a "newbie" question yar, first time in my frigging life i have access to private placement.
Thank U for any pointers/ideas/data notworthy.gif

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post Jul 3 2012, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jul 3 2012, 08:48 AM)
Analyst report from Hong Leong - NEUTRAL rating...
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Danke River.Sand, for sharing HL's ratings
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 4 2012, 11:45 AM)
Just curious

Anybody's portfolio has the following Retail/Shopping Mall's Reits?

1) CMMT (Gurney Plaza, Sg Wang, Mines, East Coast Mall)

2) SUNREIT (Sunway Pyramid, Sunway Carnival, Suncity Ipoh, Sunway Resort Hotel & Spa, Pyramid Tower Hotel, Sunway Hotel Seberang Jaya, Menara Sunway, Sunway Tower)

3) PAVREIT (Pavillion, Pavillion Tower)

Soon coming in September is IGBREIT (Mid Valley, Gardens)

And in the discussion is KLCCReits.
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Just to share some thoughts
I'm holding some SUNREIT
Purchased coz of:
a. Asset sub-allocation for Properties/REITs
b. Numbers aren't too shabby although not the normal 5 years i want to see heheh (ROE, ROTA, D/E, etc.)
c. As a retail/hospitality exposure, i think SUNREIT has a defend-able moat with some of its assets (Pyramid-Lagoon area) has a good holistic attraction (in my dumb point of view only lar - only time will tell heheh) VS other hospitality & retail REITs.

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post Jul 13 2012, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(thxxht @ Jul 13 2012, 10:12 AM)
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5089 (KLCCP)
DJ MARKET TALK: Maybank Downgrades Malaysia REIT Sector To Hold
13-07-2012 01:43:00

 
0143 GMT [Dow Jones] Maybank IB cuts Malaysian real estate investment trusts to Neutral from Overweight, as share prices approach their targets and outperform the benchmark index by 0.8-8.2 percentage points; the house says the sector now trades at 6.8% average gross yield (5% for retail Malaysian-REITs), just 10 bps below 2012 Singapore-REITs' 6.9% (before 10% withholding tax for foreign institutional investors). "The next re-rating catalyst is likely to be the REIT-ing of KLCC Property (5089.KU), which may set a new benchmark in cap rates (capital valuation)," says Maybank. However, Axis REIT (5106.KU), while rated Hold, still stands out due to the "relatively attractive gross yields of 6.3% compared with the retail REITs, and a longer track record of growing its asset portfolio and dividends," it adds. Maybank has a Hold call for Sunway REIT (5176.KU), with a target of MYR1.40, while it raises CapitaMalls Malaysia Trust's (5180.KU) target to MYR1.56 from MYR1.37 and keeps its Hold call. (jason.ng@dowjones.com)


Contact us in Singapore. 65 64154 140; MarketTalk@dowjones.com


(END) Dow Jones Newswires
Time to come on over to SGX REITs tongue.gif
where the gross DY% = net DY% as we ain't in SG thumbup.gif
but the flux is much higher than MY REITs sweat.gif

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post Jul 14 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 14 2012, 09:48 AM)
Yup, you can claim back the 25% tax from ordinary stock.

Qcap is another Reits I sold with regret. Aiyo.

If as per cherroy said, DPU is 8c, after less tax yield is around 6%.
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Panasonic, with the single-tier tax kicking in fully this year (this year right?), can claim back meh?
I may have missed some announcements heheh. My bad if mistaken sweat.gif
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post Aug 1 2012, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 1 2012, 08:17 PM)
Bro, how do you buy these foreign REITS? Thru local banks? How do you pay for them since they are foreign invesments? Does Bank Negara still control outflow of funds for this type of direct investment?
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Hi MGM,
U can buy into Foreign REITs either through:
a. local brokerages with online foreign trading/investment platforms like HLeB (which i use), OSK or ECMLibra which other fellow forumers use.
b. directly open an a/c with a foreign brokerage (go SG simple)

Pay?
IF local brokerage: Pay local - they convert and they pay their counterpart in SG or AU or wherever countries they cover
IF foreign brokerage: Er.. Convert and TT the $ over. Don't lar move $100K per pop tongue.gif

Note - it may be slightly cheaper for (b.) but me being a scaredy cat & big pix person worrying about Estate Planning and Wills, i chose (a.). The difference in cost is negligible to me, compared to the support, ease of moving $ and of course, just in case i kaput suddenly.
Your personal view / valuation may vary notworthy.gif

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post Aug 2 2012, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(brownykoko @ Aug 2 2012, 11:16 AM)
By the way, how do you remit the dividends and sales proceeds back to Malaysia?

Thanks.
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Why would i want to? hehhe SGD is now nearly MYR$2.6 to SGD1

Just ask your broker to put back into your a/c.
$ can be moved electronically easily these days wor.

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QUOTE(brownykoko @ Aug 2 2012, 11:40 AM)
Are all the transactions in RM? and are they converted at spot rate? Also can you purchase the SG reits online like in Malaysia? tq for your sharing...
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It depends on your broker.
Mine has multi-currency accounts and i chosed to hold multi-currency.
Thus, when i buy SGX REITs, they deduct from my SGX $ with them. If tak cukup, they convert FX rate and deduct from my MYR $ with them.
All these still t+3.


Added on August 2, 2012, 11:44 am
QUOTE(cwhong @ Aug 2 2012, 11:43 AM)
u can opt for holding SGD in trust so no currency risks .....can purchase using local IB  nod.gif but expect to pay more higher brokerage fees ....needed more info browse back few pages back  whistling.gif
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Bro CWHong,

U must be laughing all the way to the bank now eh? With SGX all time high against nearly all currencies AND its REITs going shockingly fast (cap appreciation) + the slew of (non-taxed) dividends recently. thumbup.gif

When U start ASX REITs, can point little ol me to where to get stats like historical ROEs, PEs, DY% and D/E or gearings ar? notworthy.gif
Even equitiestracker haven't started their AU data subscription yet cry.gif

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QUOTE(brownykoko @ Aug 2 2012, 11:49 AM)
Can you recommend some brokers or IB to me please; are there any deposits required to open the account; what are the charges like? Also which SG reit counters are worth going in now? tqvm...  notworthy.gif
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IBs?
Try HLeBroking, ECM Libra and OSK.

Recommendations?
Read http://reitdata.com/ + other websites and books on REITs + investing in general.
hunt for more data and make up your own mind.
Sorry ar - i worry about recommending coz i'm not U, with different wants, stress, risk appetite, goals for the investments.

Personally, i'm holding:
a. AIMSAMPI REIT (Singapore Industrial)
b. SABANA REIT (Singapore Industrial)
c. LIPPO MALLS (Indonesia Retail)
d. FIRST REIT (Indonesia hospital)
e. SAIZEN REIT (Japan residential)

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 2 2012, 12:33 PM)
No London REITS hmm.gif
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eh? there's such a REIT name or type ar? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 2 2012, 02:21 PM)
So kah - UK REITs.
Hehhe - not enuf $ & resources to even sniff / reach there yet
Just over-border only + hopefully by next year or so, overseas to the smallest continent/biggest island (AU / ASX) sweat.gif

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 2 2012, 02:27 PM)
I thought u should buy when prop prices drop to the longkang.

Axreits was trading at rm one few years back, when not many people want. Now is good buy at rm 3  hmm.gif
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hm.. Unsure about AXReit - for local REITs, i only focused on BSDREIT, ALAQAR, TWRREIT & SUNREIT hehe.
Not enough resources to cover so many hehe.
On / off punt got lar like ARREIT when down like 0.80 or less and STARREIT tongue.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 2 2012, 03:22 PM)
No probem, matey.

We are all here to learn    thumbup.gif

Wheres Wong sifu?    biggrin.gif

i am not investing any in Eurozone yet, that includes UK.......
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See food, eat food tongue.gif
Heheh - was stuck in professional mode with "Competition Act".

Huh hey, what did i miss?
Of course, we're all here to share & learn - correcting our personal assumptions/biasses and learning from others how their own approaches worked and why. notworthy.gif


Added on August 2, 2012, 6:36 pm
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 2 2012, 02:42 PM)
i maybe misinformed but......when investing in REITs, one is looking for recurring income rather than NAV?

Although having said that, the REIT prices do go when theres demand.

But predominantly REITs are about income?  No?

i ask this becos you mentioned UK REITs. UK is in rcession meanin returns may not be good in the next few qtrs.
Who knows how long this may be?

So has the UK REITs stock prices receeded or its it the NAV?
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Well, like properties, primarily some ppl buy to rent VS some buy to flip.

Thus, i think some folks (me included) generally buy REITs for income BUT if there are opportunities to punt, say Saizen is like less than 45% of its NAV, why not but for capital appreciation IF one can afford to hold and punt, while getting a comparatively wee-bit (secondary) dividend income brows.gif

Dunno about other reasons though on NAV heheh. I'm all ears

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 2 2012, 06:37 PM)
But when u go overseas, there is no BNM/SC protections.

U are kinda self insured lor. Transparency does help . But what about Earthquakes and all that. hmm.gif

or Japan and Indo got no more Earthquakes. yawn.gif
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Risk management?
Nothing 100% sure mar (other than death & taxes.. but i heard taxes can be erm.. and death kept a bit at bay a bit if... tongue.gif)

BNM/SC? er.. bro, SG ada it's own versions leh.
Earthquakes - er.. i'm just bad and assUme-ing the management is dumb enough to be insured for floods & earthquake.

Sorry ar - i don't do "fine comb tooth" investing where i must know the insurances and whatnot of a company in detail. notworthy.gif

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