Unfortunately, heart, determination & drive alone wont win u much these days. You have watch EPL 20 years yet u failed to observe the changing nature of the game.
Which successful team can be just that without flair players? Man U comes close but they still depends on flair players every now & then. Whats the problem of mixing steel with flair? In theory u can get the best of both worlds.
England national teams full of English heart & determination, what did they win again? Nuts.
English heart & determination can take the game by the scruff of the neck? You are taking the easy way of blaming foreigners for this. Being English had nothing to do with this. Being focus & tactically aware do. Back in 2001, the Reds team consistently win by slimmest of margin & consisted at least 6 englishmen. How's that taking a game by the scruff of the neck???

Aye..thats gotta be the best buy since its initially loan with Milan to buy him outright at 6mil Euro if he plays >20 match.
Wonder why we din insert the clause when he went Juve last season

& straight loaned out to Rayo Vallecano. Good biz on AM part. Can see whether he can hack it in La liga. If yes, buy him at a price agree now, which is low judging by the value of him now. If he don't sent him back to us. AM in a no lose situation here

Cos we have more respect to the competition & opponent. Face it, if we don't let the 1st teamers play, there'll be curse from all if there's unconvincing win, let alone draw or defeat.
Anyhow, the only 1st teamers that need rest is Suarez which play like an hour or so only. There's blend of squad & youth as well as 1st teamer which is not as bad as u portrayed though why Doni not playing is beyond me.

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Added on August 25, 2011, 10:51 amthere's pre-agreed fee for AM to buy him outright at the end of the loan if not mistaken. So maybe thats the last we'll see of him.

This post has been edited by vreis: Aug 25 2011, 10:51 AM

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Added on August 25, 2011, 10:51 am
there's pre-agreed fee for AM to buy him outright at the end of the loan if not mistaken. So maybe thats the last we'll see of him.

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dat applies to aqua too iinm .. loan in milan with a clause of buying him after 25 games .. lol wat kind of clause is dat ??

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a clause where it spelt that the seller is desperate to find a buyer.
normally all loans have some kind of arrangement whereby at the end, there's option to buy the players which rarely apply to young players unless they don't figure in future plan.
These 2 loan deals kinda benefit the them more than us.

Where's Stevie G? Its a sin in this thread not to put him on 1st 11 or even out right

Still Milan got the better bargain, as always, just like the Ibra deal.
Wonder who nego all those deals, maybe we should poach him instead