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post Jul 14 2011, 04:11 PM


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Hi ,

1) I know I've read somewhere about Genneva before but I was wondering whether is Genneva Sdn Bhd and Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd the same?

According to my research on BNM Company Investigation

Genneva Sdn Bhd's three board of director as quoted from BNM website

" The company and the directors of Genneva Sdn.Bhd., Chin Wai Leong, Ng Poh Weng and Marcus Yee Yuen Seng were charged at Kuala Lumpur Sessions Court for an offence under Section 25(1) of the Banking and Financial Institutions Act (BAFIA) 1989."

As you see the three names are Chin Wai Leong , Ng Poh Weng and Marcus Yee Yuen Seng .

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I also managed to get a brochure of Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd

Genneva Malaysia Introduction pdf-click here

and if you scroll to page 14 where you can see the founders (as quoted)

Founders :
- Dato' Sunny Yee - 30years gold mining experience
- Dato' Ng Poh Weng - Ex Poh Kong co-founder
- Dato William Chin - Certified Accountant

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Ng Poh Weng popped up twice on Genneva Sdn Bhd and Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd while strangely , the surname of the other two directors from Genneva Sdn Bhd is identical to those in Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd , since our chinese names are used in official documents but was not published in Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd doc , could Marcus Yee be Sunny Yee (First Names could be changed? ) and Chin Wai Leong be William Chin ?

Finally

I've realized companies have the (M) in the middle before Sdn Bhd such as Leonardo (M) SDN BHD . Is Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd = Genneva (M) Sdn Bhd ? or is it Genneva Malaysia (M) Sdn Bhd ?

Hope you guys could give some theory , Im doing some background check before at all thinking of buying their gold .

Finally , i think both their address is in Kuchai Lama too (read somewhere)

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Added on July 14, 2011, 4:39 pmIn addition to that ,

Genneva Pte Ltd was placed on Singapore's MAS Investor Alert List .

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Genneva Pte. Ltd


Main Office:
1 Claymore Drive
#08-09 Orchard Towers Rear Block
Singapore 229594

Premier Centre:
1 Claymore Drive
#08-06 Orchard Towers Rear Block
Singapore 229594

GMC Office:
400 Orchard Road
#05-27 Orchard Towers
Singapore 238875

Marketing Division:
545 Orchard Road
#16-13 Far East Shopping Centre
Singapore 238882
Tel: +65 6738 9883 / 9881
Fax: +65 6738 9882
Email: admin@genneva.com.sg
Website: www.genneva.com.sg

Same director also

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post Jul 14 2011, 11:11 PM


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diff legal entity... msia check with registra of companies... sg check with acra
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post Jul 15 2011, 07:41 AM


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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 14 2011, 11:11 PM)
diff legal entity... msia check with registra of companies... sg check with acra
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Thats the second part , in the first part of my post,I was challenging Genneva Sdn Bhd and Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd on whether they are the same entity . Both are Malaysian companies with same directors.

What you are referring to is my second post about their branch in Singapore .

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post Jul 16 2011, 12:10 AM


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QUOTE(minde @ Jul 15 2011, 07:41 AM)
Thats the second part , in the first part of my post,I was challenging Genneva Sdn Bhd and Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd on whether they are the same entity . Both are Malaysian companies with same directors.

What you are referring to is my second post about their branch in Singapore .
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diff name means diff entity although same director and same shareholding
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post Jul 16 2011, 12:29 AM


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That's the same crap property developers employ, parent company opens many smaller Sdn Bhd companies.

If the smaller companies sink they just cut their losses and close shop. Parent company will continue doing business and repeat... vmad.gif

To me its same wine in different bottles tongue.gif

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post Jul 16 2011, 03:03 AM


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Any risk to invest of it? I plan to invest 50k.
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post Jul 16 2011, 12:01 PM


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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 16 2011, 12:10 AM)
diff name means diff entity although same director and same shareholding
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you dont get my question

Im asking whether is it the same entity . Is Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd = Genneva (M) Sdn Bhd ?? or Genneva Malaysia (M) Sdn Bhd . For all we know , they could be playing with words .

Since director are charged with illegal deposit , then regardless of which company they run , both companies are still at risk right ?

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post Jul 16 2011, 10:49 PM


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QUOTE(minde @ Jul 16 2011, 12:01 PM)
you dont get my question

Im asking whether is it the same entity . Is Genneva Malaysia Sdn  Bhd = Genneva (M) Sdn Bhd ?? or Genneva Malaysia (M) Sdn  Bhd . For all we know , they could be playing with words .

Since director are charged with illegal deposit , then regardless of which company they run , both companies are still at risk right ?
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Is Mickeymouse S/B = Mickeymouse (M) S/B ??? doh.gif doh.gif

It is the same lah. ROC will never allow 2 or more S/B starting with the same 1st name unless it has the written permission of the 1st company to allow a 2nd company to use the same 1st name.

If not brother/brother or father/son why bother give permission ??






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post Jul 17 2011, 04:32 PM


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cause i was reading another thread about genneva and one of their consultant wrote that Genneva Sdn Bhd and Genneva Malaysia are different entity . so its the same huh ?
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post Jul 17 2011, 05:22 PM


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QUOTE(BigEarLobes @ Jul 16 2011, 10:49 PM)
Is Mickeymouse S/B = Mickeymouse (M) S/B  ???  doh.gif  doh.gif

It is the same lah. ROC will never allow 2 or more S/B starting with the same 1st name unless it has the written permission of the 1st company to allow a 2nd company to use the same 1st name.

If not brother/brother or father/son why bother give permission ??
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I certainly agree with you..

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post Jul 17 2011, 06:18 PM


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QUOTE(minde @ Jul 17 2011, 04:32 PM)
cause i was reading another thread about genneva and one of their consultant wrote that Genneva Sdn Bhd and Genneva Malaysia are different entity . so its the same huh ?
Technically true. But misleadingly so.

If one company owes you money, you cannot sue the other.

But if one company is known to cheat people (and I'm not saying that it did, just a hypothetical if), and the bosses are the same, is there a high risk that the 2nd company will cheat people as well? Of course! Definitely. You shouldn't even have to ask this question. smile.gif

As BigEarLobes said, the company names being so similar, you do not even have to check if the directors are the same or not. The companies are related, or otherwise ROC/SSM wouldn't have allowed the second company to be registered. If one company has such big problems, the other company (if they're innocent) should already be ready to prove why they are note related / split off long ago, etc. The onus would be on them.

You do not owe them anything to prove that they are related. If you feel a need to do so, I suspect it's because they're offering a very attractive deal. One that's too good to turn down. It's probably too good to be true as well.
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post Jul 17 2011, 06:25 PM


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yea I'm just helping my friend research this company . Never intended to buy their gold . Just curious how this company could go on

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post Jul 18 2011, 09:08 AM


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QUOTE(dkk @ Jul 17 2011, 06:18 PM)
Technically true. But misleadingly so.

If one company owes you money, you cannot sue the other.

Genneva's system of business is a Ponzi MLM scheme. Maybe just a rm2 company ?

Where the fark can you find a company guarantee 1.5% return monthly, pay in cash direct bank in to your account, to survive in the long term ??? You think this is AH LONG S/B kah ?

If your friend is stupid and greedy, let him BURN loh !!! doh.gif doh.gif







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QUOTE(BigEarLobes @ Jul 18 2011, 09:08 AM)
Genneva's  system of business is a Ponzi MLM scheme. Maybe just a rm2 company ?

Where the fark can you find a company guarantee 1.5% return monthly, pay in cash direct bank in to your account, to survive in the long term ???  You think this is AH LONG S/B kah ?

If your friend is stupid and greedy, let him BURN loh !!!  doh.gif  doh.gif
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It is possible for Genneva to do so. As they sell the gold price more higher to its member than international market price, and thats where the "bonus" comes from. biggrin.gif

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post Jul 19 2011, 09:44 AM


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Whatever that guarantee return of 1.5% monthly return is sounds like a scam or it is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE !!
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QUOTE(minde @ Jul 14 2011, 04:11 PM)
Hi ,

1) I know I've read somewhere about Genneva before but I was wondering whether is Genneva Sdn Bhd and Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd the same?
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Hi minde, Genneva Sdn Bhd (GSB) is a separate entity from Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd (GMSB)

Under the law, one can't hold official positions till the charges are dropped. GMSB has a different board of directors.

On charges by BNM...
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The irony is while Genneva Sdn Bhd's case is on-going since 2009, Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd is growing from strength-to-strength, supported by 2,000 consultants and 8,000 clients nationwide. Genneva Malaysia HQ is in Kuala Lumpur with affiliate partners and presence across the region.

Genneva Malaysia has complied with Section 21(1) of the BAFIA Act, 1989 relating to factoring and leasing business and engaged in the sale and purchase of gold products in accordance with Syariah principles.

Having browsed through numerous websites, blogs, discussion forums and having read hundreds of comments on the net on Genneva Gold, I’ve yet to find a police report or evidence claiming Genneva Gold is fake; nor anyone have been “scammed” or “cheated” by Genneva Malaysia. Not even one report.

Instead, I only found rumours, assumptions or predictions by naysayers, skeptics, Self-Appointed Prophets of Doom and Narrow-minded People Stuck in Old Economy Mindsets (i.e. old conservative ways of making money).

Source: http://bit.ly/pymZX9

Cheers and have a blessed day. smile.gif

Pat Lu, +6012 210-4898
Senior Consultant, Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd

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