K5 got 5 star ncap safety test ratings, meaning it was tested before.

the actual complete car rolled out from factory, is randomly picked by 3rd party lab to test the safety ratings. Same goes to other cars manufacturer

however, i assume ur point is, unless some actual K5 owner head to head collide with camry, then only u will see whose car is safer...

and then next, K5 collide with accord...then next, accord with camry...

But with the current safety features attached on Camry, accord & K5, definitely K5 is safer than the other 2.

My statement earlier is in answer to YOUR question as to why i didnt take old generation Korean models into the equation to gauge resale values. Toyota tech has been almost unchanged the past 10 yrs except for the new engine and gb in the Camry 2.5L. Even the new Camry 2.0L uses a 10 yr old engine and 4 speed auto. So its no difference comparing older Toyota models now but it is an issue comparing old Korean models since the tech, design and build quality is totally different.

Trust that clarifies.

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Added on August 3, 2012, 12:16 pm

Another stupid statement. Are you 100% sure about anything? Are you 100% sure you belong to your parents? Are you 100% sure there wasnt a mixup at the hospital and your birth cert was faked? Are you 100% sure ure male?

The list will go on. The idea is PLEASE GET SOME MATURITY BEFORE COMMENTING. If you dont know how to argue then dont bother trying to act smart. They always say you will never know how stupid a person is until he/she opens his mouth and starts talking. So best to keep quiet. 

I think you need to examine the figures yourself more closely

For a 10 year old engine (not tranny) - the torque and power figures are still nearly on par with what the Koreans are offering right now. Despite it being an old engine, it's still more powerful than the latest dual VVT-i 2.0L engine found in the Corolla Altis.

KIA K5 vs Camry 2.0G vs Teana 2.0L vs Honda Accord 2.0 VTi

121.4kW @ 6200RPM & 198Nm @ 4600RPM
109kW @ 6000RPM & 190Nm @ 4000RPM
100kW @5600RPM & 190Nm @ 4400RPM (MR20DE introduced 2005)
115kW @ 6300RPM & 189Nm @ 4300RPM (R20A3 introduced 2007)

Look at the figures and break it down yourself! Aside from the power ratings, the torque figures are more or less the same across the board. And the Camry gets its full torque at a lower RPM compared to its rivals as well, and good torque figures is what you want in bumper to bumper traffic or city driving.

I think the engine is good enough even with today's standards and despite it being first introduced 12 years ago, it still remains competitive against its rivals.

So if you want to complain about the engine being old tech, it's not so valid since it still stands toe to toe with all its rivals.  You have a better case complaining about its really lame 4 speed auto instead.

Whr are your other responses to my earlier statements on safety? How come u stopped replying? U finally realised that you dug your own grave ah? 

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Added on August 7, 2012, 9:52 pm

Alright as u say the Toyota 2.0L engine is old but still good rite? I agree its good for the age of the engine. As Kepala Pening pointed out the Kia 2.0L MPI is also an old engine. So whats your view on the new Toyota 2.5L engine then? If im not mistaken it has 169Hp compared to the Kia 2.4L GDI (non turbo) with 200Hp rite? So whats your view on that? How has technology advanced for Toyota now?

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Added on August 7, 2012, 9:54 pm

U should know the answer rite? Yes the MPI is not as new as the other 2 but the only reason why Kia has not brought in both those engines is because of the fuel quality in Malaysia or so im told. Does Toyota offer a more powerful 2.0L or 2.5L engine outside Malaysia or is it the same 2.5L used elsewhere? Whats the power of the 2.5L engine in comparison with Kia's 2.4L GDI (non turbo)?

I think its very obvious that YOU are the only one crapping here. None of your arguments have held any weight. Even those die hard Toyota supporters have told u that u have no credibility in your childish arguments. Take their advice if not mine.

And again as ive said many times before: Read all posts carefully before commenting further. 

Facts are facts?

You claim there are "specific reasons why cars in SG is expensive"

But you dont back up your claim, just a simple "read it up if you dont believe"?

So if I say for example  "Kia cars are bad, facts are facts, go read it it up if you dont believe".... does this make it true? 

Remember this post Kukulong? I wonder why Vey99 said this. 

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Added on August 11, 2012, 11:35 am

No thats your interpretation of it. All discussions here should be fact based if not it will end up like your previous statements which u embarassed yourself talking about safety when u were not sure of the facts. U remember how even those neutral users also slammed you for talking crap? if u have forgotten, please read up.

Singapore got no space la... if everyone were to drive a car there the whole country would stop, and they have to extend the island just to have place to store all the cars. COE is depending on how many people actually want to buy a car... there are just a certain amount of licenses, so people have to bid on them.

Malaysia (except for KL) can take more cars.

If your car doesn't have enough power... PUSH HARDER. Just touch the pedal... that helps. Why do you need big CC engines when I can easily be faster than you because I kick down? I'd say any D segment car has enough power, it's just the driver who won't use it.

Btw. I think I mentioned that the DSG felt like it was always engaged, even when standing on the brakes? Not true, when you press the brakes hard enough. You can see it in the current fuel consumption.

How can the engine be the most important thing? There is so much more to a car than the engine. A good gearbox can turn a mediocre engine into a good one, and a bad one ruin the best engine in the world. A 4 speed will only be sufficient if you have a gigantic engine. Something like the Viper. Something that can smoke most other cars when you start in 2nd. If you have so much torque at any RPM, then fine. Otherwise a 6-8 speed is advisable. Then there is the ride, steering, brakes, safety, ...

Not seeing so many 2012 Camryies around JB. I do notice quite a few contis though, mostly Pug and VW, and also quite a few Koreans (mostly Kia).

Please read about Toyota's "Camry" for the European market. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Avensi...80.93present.29

They have everything to make a car that is competitive to the Contis. They just have to be forced to do so. Sell the Avensis, not the Camry. Or at least don't sell a downgraded Camry. Compared to our Camry it comes with smaller, more modern engines. It has more modern gearboxes (CVT). It comes with VSC+ and 7 airbags as a standard, other options are an adaptive front-lighting system, adaptive cruise control (so it will adjust the speed for you, very nice in traffic jams, just follows the car ahead, not sure if the Toyota system will also use the brakes), lane departure warning, lane keeping assist (car steers itself).

@K5WHITE: I always buckle up, also in the rear. If I'm the driver I will also force everyone to do so, failure to comply will mean I will stop the car until he does, or he will have to walk. I don't have any tolerance. The person in the rear will murder the one in front in the case of an accident. And that may happen to be me. I don't like murderers, not even potential ones. I would also never buy a car without a 3 point seatbelt in the center.

The Mazda CX5 engine seems to do very well at saving fuel though, despite being a big cc NA one, compared to the FI ones from VW. Maybe it is better than what Toyota etc. have to offer?

Those who talk bad about the Camry do get something out of it. The fewer people buy the Camry, the more likely Toyota is to bring to us either a properly speced Camry or the Avensis. Which would be a viable alternative to the Contis. It would also make other manufacturers compete harder, giving us better cars for less. What's not to like about that? Fully boycott Toyota's non hybrid offerings, and 2 years later we will have good cars from them.

@landlily: How much do I pay for taking the bus? Few RM. How much I pay for Camry? If Toyota sells the Camry for 20k I won't complain about lack of VSC, seatbelts, whatever.

Btw. I am so very glad to not have bought any car that an uncle/aunty suggested.

@kukulong: Resale value can always change. One year it is good, next year no more. When people realize how bad value the Camry is, when they see that there are now a reasonable amount of SC for Contis and Koreans and servicing and repairing isn't that expensive, when they realize how much they get when they go for a non-Camry, do you think the resale value of the Camry will still be good? In Europe it took a single crash test to fully eradicate the sales of a Rover. No one wanted that car anymore.

Quite good FC at 120kmph. That's the advantage of the 7 speed DSG i guess. So getting 9.1L/100km at 110kmph on a 6 speed K5 is quite ok rite? I took these readings about a month back i think. Will be going for my 2nd service this week. Will do another check after that and see if FC has improved over time.

I did a 1 day run last week from KL to Ipoh, then around Ipoh for 1 hr, then up to BM, then Penang Island, then back to Ipoh, then onward to KL. About 80% highway at 170kmph, the rest in town traffic. Used up 1 full tank and covered 760kmph.

Jchong owns the previous gen Camry 2.4L if im not mistaken. And i doubt kukulong is a Camry owner.