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 New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!

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darthbaboon
post Mar 5 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 5 2012, 04:18 PM)
peugeot/ kia/ hyundai if u notice tend to give better accessories compared to Jap cars which is more reserve. They have to in order to attract ppl to buy due to ppl's perception in their low resale value. Bear in mind, more accessories=potential more problem. So depends what you want. I myself is looking at reliability. No right or wrong here.
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Actually... Lexus (luxury vehicle division of Toyota) is boasting the world's first 8 speed AT, even the Toyota Camry sold in the US is having a 6-speed Electronically Controlled automatic overdrive Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i) and sequential shift mode (Compared to 4/5 Speed AT here), TEN airbags (compared to TWO here), navigation unit, plus all the bells and whistles that are in the KIAs and Hyundais and PUGs.

It's not that they don't have the in-house technology or are reserved as clearly seen in the examples above....

I say they are simply taking their market position HERE for granted... cause customers here would blindly purchase a Toyota even if it came with 3 wheels and a motorcycle engine.

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post Mar 5 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 5 2012, 04:18 PM)
no need to wait cause apparently they've already stop ordering from Thailand and once all stock at hand sold off, there isn't anymore. They will stop selling Camry all together once all gone. Stock at hand already selling up fast with 2011 almost all gone and 2012 going fast..


Added on March 5, 2012, 4:21 pm
peugeot/ kia/ hyundai if u notice tend to give better accessories compared to Jap cars which is more reserve. They have to in order to attract ppl to buy due to ppl's perception in their low resale value. Bear in mind, more accessories=potential more problem. So depends what you want. I myself is looking at reliability. No right or wrong here.
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I understand. But just surveying if current sonata has any particular problems or not before deciding
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post Mar 5 2012, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(LLH @ Mar 5 2012, 05:21 PM)
I understand. But just surveying if current sonata has any particular problems or not before deciding
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Well..google around and i'm sure you'll get your answer. Depends on what you're looking for.
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post Mar 5 2012, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 5 2012, 04:18 PM)
no need to wait cause apparently they've already stop ordering from Thailand and once all stock at hand sold off, there isn't anymore. They will stop selling Camry all together once all gone. Stock at hand already selling up fast with 2011 almost all gone and 2012 going fast..
Thats typical salesman talk la. Why dont u ask them if Rm8K will be the biggest discount Toyota will give. I bet you they will say yes. But u try again in about 1 months time and ull see them offering RM10K. Simple sale psychology.

From history, Toyota will continue selling till almost the last possible moment. Even now, there is surplus stock coming in from Thailand. Most showrooms have ready stock with more on the way. The discounts will drop for sure. Happened with the Altis before. They were offering discounts up to 20K when the new Altis was launched. I know cuz my neighbour got one.
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post Mar 5 2012, 05:55 PM

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camry having big promotion now i think the new camry coming very soon
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post Mar 6 2012, 09:38 AM

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i heard they give RM 15k discount for camry...correct or not?

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post Mar 6 2012, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(LLH @ Mar 5 2012, 05:21 PM)
I understand. But just surveying if current sonata has any particular problems or not before deciding
Why would you buy a Sonata over a Kia Optima K5? The Optima nails the Sonata in most aspects. I dont see any advantage in the Sonata at all. Many of those who have placed bookings for the Sonata are also changing to the Optima.
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post Mar 6 2012, 10:17 AM

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there is an advantage though..... that Kia SC is by Naza which is the shittiest of them all.... while Hyundai is by SD which is second shittiest beside Naza.

If makes quite a differences if u are a successful merchant that are really busy and have not much time to keep visiting the Service center.
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 6 2012, 10:17 AM)
there is an advantage though..... that Kia SC is by Naza which is the shittiest of them all.... while Hyundai is by SD which is second shittiest beside Naza.

If makes quite a differences if u are a successful merchant that are really busy and have not much time to keep visiting the Service center.
Well choosing a car based on 1st & 2nd shittiest isnt exactly a good example of making the right decision is it? If ure comparing between Kia and Toyota then yes i would say after sales service would be a vast difference. But anybody who chooses the Sonata with its much lesser specs and value for money merely due to the 1st & 2nd shittiest argument isnt actually making a wise decision for sure.
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 1 2012, 09:37 AM)
I agree that Nissan is towards comfort, but the Teana rides and handling is much better then the Toyota Camry, as for the interior design, I quite like it, at least it is not as complicate as the Sonata and Optima, which given me a feeling of "too much" buttons that did not properly place. For Optima K5, actually I have tested it once even the showroom still di not have any test unit, honestly, I felt the interior design for Kia Optima is kinda outdated, just look back the 90s' Camry, it is quite identical if you see carefully the dashboard design. As for the rides and handling, I think you should test drive the Teana again and you will find the difference, people told me that the K5 handling like European cars, but I honestly tell you that I found the Teana rides and handling is the most close to the European cars, maybe it is because Nissan share the platform with Renault, and this Teana platform actually is designed by Renault. Just Nissan tune it to softer side for more comfortable, but not as soft as the Camry. The engine output on paper for K5 actually beaten the Teana hands down for the 2.0, but when you drive it in real world test, the result will be in opposite direction. So please do not bash me or what, I just write out what I have gathered so far for these D-segments vehicle, especially those new K5 owner. And now I'm eager to test the all new Camry and see what Toyota able to improve since it is using back the same platform, engine and gearbox for the 2.0 version.
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agreed..
for a d-seg car handling is not the highest priority nor using it as a driver's car..it is mostly for family oriented..so i would rate comfort comes first..hehe..

will just wanna tell those who interested in these 2 models go n test drive the car..
i would say drive 60km/h constantly thru an uneven long patch of road, and u'll be amazed at how compose Teana performs over Sonata..if u cant few the diff at the front seat..try to be at the back seat..den u'll discover it rclxms.gif

no doubt K5 could be just sold on its look itself..so depends on wat is ur top priority..2 cents tongue.gif


Added on March 6, 2012, 10:56 am
QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Mar 5 2012, 04:58 PM)
Actually... Lexus (luxury vehicle division of Toyota) is boasting the world's first 8 speed AT, even the Toyota Camry sold in the US is having a 6-speed Electronically Controlled automatic overdrive Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i) and sequential shift mode (Compared to 4/5 Speed AT here), TEN airbags (compared to TWO here), navigation unit, plus all the bells and whistles that are in the KIAs and Hyundais and PUGs.

It's not that they don't have the in-house technology or are reserved as clearly seen in the examples above....

I say they are simply taking their market position HERE for granted... cause customers here would blindly purchase a Toyota even if it came with 3 wheels and a motorcycle engine.
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agreed partially.. tongue.gif
firstly u cant compare an aging camry to a newer model avialable in the market, tats y the new camry come out lo..
hyundai under SD is giving 2 airbags thru all range even for 2.4 YF..not till the YF premium came in..

toyota do have the in house tech, but it doesnt fit into that particular model ma..how u want UMW to fit it by its own?
same goes to previously merz UK have 7G-tronic, but locally her we only have 5AT, and it was first introduced in C-class FL first only den later to W212...

back to the upcoming camry, the 2.5 surely will give the 6AT with ECT-i liao de..only the 2.0 version spec remains mysterious..so just see wat it offers lo.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Mar 6 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 6 2012, 10:07 AM)
Why would you buy a Sonata over a Kia Optima K5? The Optima nails the Sonata in most aspects. I dont see any advantage in the Sonata at all. Many of those who have placed bookings for the Sonata are also changing to the Optima.
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Actually i m considering the 2011 stocks that they give 7k discount quite attractive i d say but not sure about sonata quality though
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QUOTE(JohnnyKoo @ Mar 6 2012, 11:50 AM)
I can't wait.
I really like the interior design of this new Camry. smile.gif
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QUOTE(JohnnyKoo @ Mar 6 2012, 11:50 AM)
And there should be little surprise when it comes to looks. The Toyota Camry for the ASEAN region has not been unveiled yet, but it should differ minimally, outside and inside, from this European Camry. Toyota seems too happy with being conservative with its all-new models, as the seventh-generation Camry appears more like a facelift than a car that is supposed to stay in the market for the next five years.

Sarcasm alert..... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Mar 6 2012, 12:00 PM)
And there should be little surprise when it comes to looks. The Toyota Camry for the ASEAN region has not been unveiled yet, but it should differ minimally, outside and inside, from this European Camry. Toyota seems too happy with being conservative with its all-new models, as the seventh-generation Camry appears more like a facelift than a car that is supposed to stay in the market for the next five years.

Sarcasm alert.....  icon_idea.gif
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Yes, I found the front part a bit look like the pre-facelift Accord, this all new Camry look like a facelift only, not like the so call "All New" one!!!!
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QUOTE(LLH @ Mar 6 2012, 11:30 AM)
Actually i m considering the 2011 stocks that they give 7k discount quite attractive i d say but not sure about sonata quality though
7K discount is not money in the pocket mind you. Thats the drop in resale value which the company is absorbing. Ure still getting a 1 yr old car and when u sell ure selling a car thats 1 year older. So isnt a discount at all. U get a 7K discount now and ull get 7K less when it comes to selling later on. Simple math.

I still dont see why that would make the Sonata a good choice. Ure still paying about RM136K for a 1 year old car with half the specs found on a 2012 Optima costing RM 143K. Does that sound like a smart move to you? Not IMHO.
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QUOTE(swine @ Mar 6 2012, 10:46 AM)
agreed..
for a d-seg car handling is not the highest priority nor using it as a driver's car..it is mostly for family oriented..so i would rate comfort comes first..hehe..

will just wanna tell those who interested in these 2 models go n test drive the car..
i would say drive 60km/h constantly thru an uneven long patch of road, and u'll be amazed at how compose Teana performs over Sonata..if u cant few the diff at the front seat..try to be at the back seat..den u'll discover it rclxms.gif

no doubt K5 could be just sold on its look itself..so depends on wat is ur top priority..2 cents

back to the upcoming camry, the 2.5 surely will give the 6AT with ECT-i liao de..only the 2.0 version spec remains mysterious..so just see wat it offers lo.. icon_rolleyes.gif
Have u driven the Optima? I suggest you do. The suspension on the Optima is not the same as the Sonata. It has Nitrogen pressured gas shock absorbers. Ive driven the Teana and found it to be quite comfortable as most Nissan cars are but the Optima is quite similar in comfort. I was quite impressed and yes ive sat at the back so got a good feel over bumpy roads.
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post Mar 6 2012, 02:06 PM

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New Camry look alike Altis , not sure if i get it right smile.gif

is it using dual-VVTI as well ?
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QUOTE(swine @ Mar 6 2012, 10:46 AM)
back to the upcoming camry, the 2.5 surely will give the 6AT with ECT-i liao de..only the 2.0 version spec remains mysterious..so just see wat it offers lo
The specs have been out for some time already. The 2.0L Camry will use the same 4 speed gearbox and same engine as the current model. Only the 2.5L will get the new dual VVTI engine and 6 speed gearbox. So do you think spending RM 155K on a poorly designed car with an old engine and 4 speed gb is worth the price despite it being a Toyota?


Added on March 6, 2012, 2:44 pm
QUOTE(alvincks @ Mar 6 2012, 02:06 PM)
New Camry look alike Altis , not sure if i get it right smile.gif

is it using dual-VVTI as well ?
Only the 2.5L model gets the new engine and gearbox. The 2.0L model is the same as the current Camry.

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i heard new local camry still use 4 Speed Auto.
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QUOTE(kyoshooo @ Mar 6 2012, 02:52 PM)
i heard new local camry still use 4 Speed Auto.
Yes thats wht i said. 4 speed auto for the 2.0L version.

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