Sadly UMW tot Malaysia ppl life is not worth for the VSC & want to maximize their profit... I still wonder WTF remove the safety spec, while the predecessor have it! 

during school holiday recently, i saw camry/accord drove 110km/h in hway & 90km/h in old k.selangor road...
quite difficult to see them driving more than 140km/h...

I told my friend since even top of the line 2.5 Camry doesn't have VSC, he should forget about buying it. Heck, even cheapo Proton 70K+ Preve has it.

I think most ppl who drive alot on highways will easily cruise at 150-160kmph. Nowadays with the kind of tech we're getting in cars, reaching such speeds is as easy as hitting 80kmph on 2nd gear.

I agree. Germany has implemented mandatory Vehicle Stability Control systems on all new cars from 2012 onwards. If it wasnt an important feature, would they make it mandatory just like airbags? Hence, why i think our new 2.0G Camry will not get that good a resale value in about 5-7 yrs time if Malaysia follow in Germany's footsteps. I see that happening because even the new Proton Preve has VSC.

all you need is the gomen, make it mandatory, then toyota and the rest got to follow.

gomen not doing anything, so toyota take their opportunity to rip you off lah.

so, reliable is not a buying point? you'd rather have you car stalled at the roadside getting lol'ed at? hmm.

no doubt they are improving but i don't normally place my bets on unproven products. perhaps they need a few more years. i hardly see the new optima k5 in penang despite the exquisite design and cheap price. well bro, all cars have problems. not a single marque in the world is 100% problem-less. my old slk had gearbox issues and pops decided to throw it out, despite mercs have the title for reliability. so, no point saying 'yeah toyota has issues too' and they did not turn to shit. i'd say only malaysian toyota but not the one out there. look at the new civic, hell of an ugly car but sales number still strong.

people need to know that cars are not all about design and specs. everyone has their own buying factor. when i chose audi, i have people asking me why not an E-Class instead? what can i say? well, just not my type. same can be said to people who choose camry.

Fair enough stix, I think the problem are those customers who just buy without thinking. If you decide to buy a Camry, after having driven all the options, and thus having decided that you like the way a Camry rides most, and that your life isn't worth much, then fine. But just buying it without considering the other cars is... well, not smart.

In any case, if sales of the Camry would stop, and UMWs marketing research team finds out it is because of a lack of safety, we would have a Camry 2.0 with VSC and 10 airbags within a few months. Instead however people aren't buying the Prius C, although that one has 7 airbags and VSC. In a B segment car! (Which is how it should be.)

I think the only car that allows video while driving is the Land Rover... or something like that. And that's only because the screen can show video to the passenger and satnav to the driver. The driver won't get to see a video. And that's good! It wouldn't have surprised me if Toyota would let drivers watch videos in the Camry, after all Toyota doesn't care about safety in Malaysia.

It depends on what is luxury, I think. In terms of a soft ride the Camry should do well, probably also noise isolation will be decent. If luxury for you means an electric panorama sun roof, everything automatic, car parks itself, warns you if you depart the lane, listens to commands (like Siri), is very refined, high end audio system (think Bang & Olufsen in Audis), has an umbrella in the rear door (Skoda Superb and Rolls Royce have that feature), then no, the Camry isn't particularly good. And well, in terms of ride quality of course big Citroens are better too, and they are better at cornering as well.

Ps: If I can spend 150k on a car, I should be able to spend a bit more on fuel, no? Otherwise may I suggest the BMW F30 320d. Probably uses less fuel than a Kancil

t-badge value higher than malaysians life

at least umw thought so

So you genting one? I m sure the camry is impressive, at that price i believe nothing comes close to its comfort

but the new forte cost only 80k + and the altis might cost more than 100k+ so the deperciate is more compare to altis...thats why i said the forte resale value is not that good

unless you planning to upgrade the car within 5 years. Else if you plan to have it for 8-10years, it doesn't matter.
By the time the car resell value vs car maintanence yearly = who will win

who dont care for resale value?unless u want to keep the car more than a decade?

if ten years ago...not much car are eqquipped with 6 airbags and traction control, then those car owner should have all die by now is it? better safety specs such as ESP n traction control is good, but the most important factor is to drive safe, how about those car owner if they cant afford to have car with 6 airbags and traction control???? Doesnt that mean they not value their life?

This discussion sure can go on and on. But the fact is this, safety standards have risen everywhere else in the world, so why would you want to settle for anything less if you don't have to or have the financial means not too. If the government is willing to step in and demand that all future vehicles, whether big or small at least provide those safety features, wouldn't it be much better for everyone overall? We talk about now, what past is the past, what's important is the future, and the important thing is to have safety standards continually improve instead of going backwards.

So in this case, how can anyone even justify what Toyota did is good for the industry and motorist in general? Removing 2 important safety features that shouldn't have been removed in the first place and for what? Good car or not, there's no denying they've gone backwards in terms of safety.

Btw, there's so many people out there who buy Toyota cars without even test driving or seeing the car first, the new Camry isn't an exception. Like it or not, the brand is rock solid and they've been around long enough that people trust them enough to buy them but eventually, if they continue doing this, the gen Y that moves up to replace the gen X will not hesitate to ignore their offerings.

I better toyota will make optional 5 years warranty soon 
see honda doing it now.

yes, I know. Just my point this what toyota might do only. 

This is the fact of maresia automotive line will have standard safety + increase warranty = benefits to all user.
is good to let toyota know they can't dominate the market forever.

at the end, we all will enjoy the benefits.

Yes, as long as it means they can make more money that way. It's normal, many companies act that way.

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Added on July 22, 2012, 1:10 pm
Nope, disagree. Most contis will be safer, for example the Fiesta sedan. Any VW from Polo (not sedan) and above, Ford Focus probably, Mondeo definitely, some Koreans will be safer, ... the Camry is pretty much at the bottom of the list, apart from older Protons, Peroduas and some Japs. All that speaks for it is that it is big.

I simply see it this way: A 150+k car simply must have VSC or ESP. In this price class it is a must. When a 40k car doesn't have it I can accept it, but 150k, let alone 180? That would be like selling a 5k laptop with a Celeron CPU and a 12 GB hard drive (not SSD).

Oh, and sorry for being late again. Hope I don't stir up anything if it has settled down already. Just wanted to add my 2 cents and set a few things straight.

FYI, forte was increased the price on 2011 when the model upgraded to 6-speed, below the price tag different between 2010 & 2011~2012.

                  2010                2011
1.6 EX        75.8k              78.8k
1.6 SX        81.8k              85.8k
2.0 SX        93.8k              97.8k

So, u cannot compare 2010 forte with current price.

As you said that some owner sell at 63.8k (i think lower in Mudah)
http://www.mudah.my/Kia+Forte+A+-16804385.htm

First, i am not sure the unit in EX or SX, let us take SX price to calculate.

81.8k - 63.8k = 18k/3 (calculate as 2010, 2011 and 2012) = 6k/year (Average 7.3%/year)

So how u calculate and come out 10k/year???

Let us take an example like Toyota Altis to compare with same age 2010
http://www.mudah.my/Toyota+Altis+1+8G+A+-15111910.htm

When the Toyota Altis 1.8G at 2010, i think the price around 123k(not much different with current price)

123k - 94.8k(current selling price in mudah) = 28.2/3 (calculate as 2010, 2011 and 2012) = 9.4k/year (Average 7.6%/year)

So, I would said Kia Forte resell value on par with toyota altis....no like you claim that more than 10k/year or depreciate >10%/year.

Please do some calculation b4 give ur "honest" opinion.