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Headphones Headphone Amplifier and DAC Recommendation, portables, desktops, amps, dac, lai

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post Apr 9 2014, 06:09 AM

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QUOTE(munak991 @ Apr 4 2014, 06:58 PM)
Then what kind of format is in DSD??
Why lots of it use it on mobile device?
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Worth a read if you wanna know about DSD more.
http://www.ayre.com/insights_dsdvspcm.htm brows.gif
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post Jun 24 2014, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(sheridankamal @ Jun 23 2014, 02:41 PM)
Hi guys, seeking for your advice.
Is iPhone 4s with iOS 7 and JDS C5D is a good pair?
I'm using ATHM50x with it.
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M50x is not picky at all and easily to get driven well, JDS Labs C5D is a good choice.
QUOTE(un_id @ Jun 24 2014, 10:49 AM)
hi guys.. i'm in a hard time looking for a small portable USB DAC to stream out audio from android phone, something like UD110 DAC.. can recommend me any? just want to bypass internal amp from my Note 3 to pair with an external portable amp, just want to try some set up.. please enlighten me. TQVM
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Bro, why not the UD110 then? hmm.gif
I used to use the iBasso D-ZERO that way tongue.gif

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post Jun 24 2014, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(un_id @ Jun 24 2014, 03:39 PM)
errr... inside a player, even handphone, already have a DAC and amp, right? what i want to bypass is the amp.. i'm not quite sure, but double-DACing is fine i think...lol... yes, the reason i want to do this is because i want to use an external amp, which i don't want double-amping, hence i want to bypass the internal amp...  yawn.gif so back to my initial question, where can i find a small USB Dac that can work with android, such as the UD110?
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Double DAC is not valid lol. you couldn't bypass the internal amp in your handphone but you can bypass both by using usb otg level DAC.
That's why you looking for DAC like UD110.. they receive digital data instead of analog line stage output.
Meanwhile, can take a look on HifimeDIY Android DAC... I think they sell it on their website.

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QUOTE(psychoactive @ Jun 24 2014, 03:15 PM)

M50x is not picky at all and easily to get driven well, JDS Labs C5D is a good choice.
Hi, thanks for replying.
Doing some survey and later i discovered FiiO E07 and E17. What is ur opinion on these two.

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FiiO E17 > E07, hands down.
Better bass impact, treble response, cleaner background and more detailed.
From all the aspects the E17 is better than the E07, unless you need the dual headphone out.

Even at some point, you could buy an E09k desktop amp as an upgrade, E17 can placed on the dock on it.

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Jun 25 2014, 03:45 PM)
Please redirect if this is the wrong section.

I am using an ipod classic 6 gen, and have just transferred about 100gb worth of lossless files (ALAC). I am looking for a DAC which I can use to hook up between the ipod and my stereo amp. At the moment, am just connecting directly to amp.

Please advise, thank you in advance. Looking forward to hearing from the aficionados here.
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I suppose you're saying you wanna use a DAC from ipod? (Digital data out stream)
You have only two options, get the Fostex HP-P1 or Cypher Labs AlgoRhythm Solo -dB.
They are not cheap tho and the latter can only used with an amp since it only has dac line stage out. An alternative would be getting a LOD (line out dock) cable to use with your amp.

QUOTE(seba @ Jul 2 2014, 09:15 AM)
source: my laptop

cans:hd558

requirement: none, whatever is best for value

budget:rm500

nuforce dac3 or aune t1 or something I dont know, pros help pls
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Aune T1 is a good purchase based on your budget, plus you could tube roll later on according to your preference. smile.gif
Another one would be Fiio E17.
I personally do not recommend NuForce dacs.

QUOTE(Nick Amizan @ Jul 21 2014, 02:10 AM)
Hi I'm a newbie here, just bought myself an ATH M50x a week ago, I use it on my ipod or watch movies on my laptop. But to me the bass is just not enough. Thinking of getting an amp. Any recommendations?
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Amp with bass boost or EQ-able Amp. May i know your budget? nod.gif

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post Jul 24 2014, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(seba @ Jul 24 2014, 04:20 PM)
Already purchased Aune T1 second generation from liquidgal bro haha, glad I didnt choose nuforce dac lol, bad response by E1.

Thanks for the recommendation nonetheless! thumbup.gif
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Enjoy the Aune T1, get to try the globe amperex/mullard if you could drool.gif
or even the rares... like telefunken brows.gif

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post Aug 3 2014, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Aug 3 2014, 01:25 PM)
Hi! Sorry for this late response. Setup has changed somewhat. Running audirvana plus in Mac mini feeding a naim system now. Thanks for the help though.

I've got an older system, including an old audiolab 8000dac which will not decode 24bit/192. So I need a DAC between the Mac mini and the preamp. I was looking at M2tech or Audioquest Dragonfly.  Anyone with recommendations please? And no, not the Chord Hugo, thank you!
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What model of M2Tech you're referring to? I suppose it's the HiFace dac. Do you need the 32/384? Consider the price of HiFace is higher than the Dragonfly.
From my verdict, Audioquest Dragonfly sounds more flatter and balanced compared to HiFace, which sounds slightly bright and thin on the high and resulting in much open sound, but slightly recessed. But, isn't you need a line level DAC? I mean you're connecting it to your Pre-amp. If you need a line level DAC, i suggest you to get the ODAC.
I'm a huge fan of ESS Sabre, it makes me to be much preferred to pick up the Dragonfly. biggrin.gif

and.. Chord Hugo is not for us mere mortals listener tongue.gif

QUOTE(diaBoliQu3 @ Jul 27 2014, 10:39 PM)
Well, at least you will get some idea later regarding amp etc. biggrin.gif As for me, the best setup is the best to your ear. I tried HD600 with Objective combo, and ODAC + Bravo Ocean. I like how these two setup sound like but something missing if compared to my T1 with 6DJ88 tube.

As for tube rolling, it's never too late or early. You can contact liquidgal for demo unit of her tube. I read that buggleboy got a good reputation but too bad I don't have the chance to try. The best way for you to know is by listen with your own ear.

Regarding the post, I think someone else using the same name. laugh.gif
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Bugle boy is slightly half step down from the Globe... if not on-par tongue.gif Highly depends on one's preference.
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QUOTE(podrunner @ Aug 3 2014, 04:26 PM)
And now the most important question, where can I get the Dragonfly and the corresponding cables? I need RCAs at the preamp end.
thanks!!!
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Dropped you a pm smile.gif

QUOTE(alpha001 @ Aug 3 2014, 04:40 PM)
Vmoda crossfade lp2
Edifier x120
reccomend me dac that can be used on both headphone/speaker notworthy.gif
portable if possible icon_question.gif
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Budget bro? Never tell your budget, later people will ask you to get something like Chord Hugo... tongue.gif
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post Aug 3 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(alpha001 @ Aug 3 2014, 04:55 PM)
sry blush.gif
below rm400
the lower the better
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Portable as in carry-able size or the one you can leave it in your pocket? tongue.gif
Anyway, for below RM400 and from your setup, I recommend you get the Fiio E07k.

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post Aug 3 2014, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(alpha001 @ Aug 3 2014, 05:17 PM)
mainly from pc and smartphone
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Not sure if your smartphone support usb level audio out or not..

QUOTE(PedangGila @ Aug 3 2014, 05:23 PM)
e18
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E18 is RM5xx laugh.gif
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post Aug 3 2014, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Aug 3 2014, 05:32 PM)
Yea it's kinda off budget but I don't see anything worth grabbing at that price. See this, I got Rm500 in my pocket, walked to a friend who's selling burgers and be his sleeping partner for 2.5 months. In the end I pocketed another RM400. Now I got a headphone and e18.
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Aug 3 2014, 05:37 PM)
you slept with your burger selling friend for extra money   rclxub.gif
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Sleep with your burger friend for 2.5month only RM400? brows.gif brows.gif lol.
I couldn't agree more, for that price its a little bit out of few best options. E18 is indeed good for pc and smartphone. But I doubt nexus 4 support usb audio natively. hmm.gif My nexus 7 was in the situation too, until I flashed custom rom then everything is fine since then. (CM11-based)

QUOTE(PedangGila @ Aug 3 2014, 05:46 PM)
LOL of the day.

++ USB audio came with Jellybean at n4 got kitkat already, by right it should be working. Unless we're seeing hardware barrier.
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It's the kernel level that disables it, especially for Nexus devices.. In my case, my Nexus 7 running KitKat 4.4.4 wasn't able to work with usb audio. I had to flash another cm-based custom rom in order to make them work. smile.gif
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QUOTE(hsiungz @ Aug 18 2014, 12:21 PM)
wanna ask if fiio e11k good?
btw im using superlux hd681evo on laptop, mainly for game n movie, thinking of getting amp cz volume seem low even if put on max  hmm.gif
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Considered as one of the best bang for bucks blush.gif
But are you trying to connect the amp with your laptop audio/headphone out? Double amplification isn't good. Try to get a DAC/AMP combo instead, like the E07k/E10k/E17. smile.gif

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QUOTE(hsiungz @ Aug 18 2014, 04:37 PM)
Thanks for replying, but can elaborate bit bout double amp? means built in amp in laptop > external amp > headphones?
noobie here  notworthy.gif
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Before a DAC (sound chip) could send the analog sound waves to your headphone, it need to be crossed the amp section. In which case, yes as you have said it, your laptop amp -> E11k = double amplification. tongue.gif
Double amplification will result in amplifying noises and increasing distortion.
If you get a external usb DAC/AMP, it will bypass your laptop's DAC. Additionally you get better fidelity with most of the external DAC.

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QUOTE(hsiungz @ Aug 18 2014, 04:54 PM)
ohh..i think i get it now, will it cause prob similar when increasing volume in media players like vlc to >100%? glad i ask first, was gonna place order tis week  laugh.gif
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What do you mean by problem caused by increasing volume in media player?
Usually we are maxed up all the volume control within the player/system, to avoid data clipping to decrease the quality, Alternatively the better way is to use media player like foobar2000 and use ASIO/Wasapi to completely avoid the situation.
Only adjust the volume level on your AMP. nod.gif
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QUOTE(Ask_Yip @ Aug 18 2014, 06:22 PM)
To add more, if you have a shiat source (on board sound card, low quality mp3, low quality recording), amp up will only increase the shiat to double shiat. So I suggest you to get your source right first before you amp it up.
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Indeed, cannot imagine amplifying garbage... LOL biggrin.gif

QUOTE(hsiungz @ Aug 18 2014, 08:52 PM)
i got confused whn i reread oso, its smthing like amplifying shiat like said, i guess fiio really is the best bang for buck?
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For the budget users, indeed they are. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chabuchabu @ Aug 20 2014, 01:49 PM)
Ok ... then budget < Rm1000 ...

I recall , tube got a lifespan just same like the light bulb?
solid state vs tube , tube tends to be more warmth and sweet to listen to compare with solid state , but solid state can last longer ? That is what I recall before going into solid state ...

But I now looking for DAC instead ... since amp I can use back my shoyun 306a. E7 as DAC a bit weak to drive...
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Your sound preference? You can get a desktop DAC/AMP unit, maybe you can leave your shonyun to do portable jobs smile.gif
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QUOTE(chabuchabu @ Aug 21 2014, 08:57 AM)
Prefer warmth , less bassy , neutral , wide sound stage  cool.gif
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Rarely I have came across with "bassy" dac.
Anyway for around 1000,
DAC only - Schiit Bifrost, Audio-GD NFB 2.32
DAC/AMP - Audio-GD NFB 11.32, O2ODAC Combo smile.gif

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QUOTE(chabuchabu @ Aug 21 2014, 11:51 AM)
It is better to use DAC/AMP or should I go for DAC only then combo with my 306a ?
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Ok... for me (subjective), i will buy DAC/AMP instead. I always prefer a headphone output from my dac/amp. It also makes me having less hassle to try on every DAC and AMP and to see which pair has the synergy to work together well. Unless you get a selective DAC unit and AMP from within the same manufacturer, that way usually they could pair up well. smile.gif
Usually in the higher end, a DAC/AMP is pretty superior and only what constrains it its the amp, with that case, just upgrade by getting another AMP. smile.gif

QUOTE(cloudist12 @ Aug 21 2014, 04:00 PM)
Hello all ,
I am new to this forum , I just bought a pair of sennheiser hd555. I think would like to add more juice a bit by buying amps , dac , cmoy amp  or soundcard . (i dont know please help me)
Problem is I dont know which one is better , I hope you guys can suggests me any dac , amps or sound card

Budget : RM100-200
Usage : mainly for music , classical , jazz , details and crisp , good soundstage without ignoring bass .. Gaming ( dota 2 , starcraft 2 , sometimes fps games )
Recently viewed : Asus sonar DG , fiio e6 , fiio e11 , cmoy amp
Audio source : on board pc sound card , phone (lenovo p780)
Mobo : Asrock B75 Pro3-M Motherboard
How I use the headphones : Mostly in front of my PC , playing games while listening to music , few times went mobile .
Any comments and suggestion are highly appreciated . Thank you
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I do not suggest double amping at all cost. (pairing the output from your laptop to your headphone)
Yes.. it may as you think that, you could add more "juice"... but think of this, what happen if you add in a bad signal and amplify it? It doesn't correct it. In another sense, it simply takes all the noises/distortions and boost them.
I suggest you save up a little bit more, look into something like Fiio E07K/E10K which consists of DAC + AMP for your juice-needed headphone icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(AxelTG @ Aug 22 2014, 09:51 AM)
I just want to mention that your PC has a DAC+amp internally, same goes to PC sound card.
Now, if you solely use an amp, you are effectively double amping.
If you get an external DAC however, your PC will bypass the internal DAC+amp, so your music will go through the external DAC.
But DAC alone doesn't have adequate power to drive your headphone, so an amp is needed.
That's why bro psychoactive recommend you some DAC+AMP combo as a fuss free solution.
Hope this clear things up a bit.  smile.gif
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Thanks for the clarification, indeed that's the idea i was going to give. nod.gif

QUOTE(cloudist12 @ Aug 22 2014, 11:21 AM)
I see . Now i'm clear about the problem . Well , thanks for your explanation .
Lastly, I wanna ask recommendation on specific model .. I will look onto fiio e7 and other series . e7 is a bit pricy  , only afford rm200  dac/amp  sad.gif
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Look into used unit of E07k around i suppose. Or even better if you can get yourself a iBasso D-ZERO. (both are around 2xx for used unit)

QUOTE(~@Sharks@~ @ Aug 23 2014, 03:20 PM)
Hey guys, I've gotten myself a Shure SRH 440, tested it and I don't feel anything special about it. lul. Plugged it into both my laptop and iPod and I'm kinda sure it's not showing it's full potential.

I'm suspecting that the laptop's sound card cannot be depended on... Any recommendation what I should get (cheap and good, around 100+?) to help my situation? smile.gif
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Even listening to SRH440 via my Nexus 7 can drive it to around 70-80% performance. Are you sure you are fond of the SRH440? or you blindly bought it? hmm.gif
Nonetheless, get a Line Out Dock for your Ipod, combo with a Fiio E6. Tada, cheap and good with plenty of power. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ronron @ Aug 25 2014, 05:12 PM)
hi all masters,

newbie here. looking for a entry level/budget/simple amplifier or any dac+amplifier combo for audio entertainment + gaming.

budget : RM500 lower better

source: Desktop asus b85m-g (all pcie used up)

headphone : not decided yet. might be superlux HD681 Evo.

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I recommend Aune T1 DAC/AMP. Very clean output and good SQ even with stock tube. You can even upgrade the tube to improve the SQ.
Can drive HD681 EVO easily. Can even drive my hard to drive headphone with ease. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lolokzarecool @ Aug 26 2014, 01:51 PM)
Hi all audiophiles

Source : Y400 Lenovo Laptop

Headphone : DT 880 (250ohm)

Budget : RM500

Can recommend any USBDAC+AMP  for this setup?? Im currently looking at AuneT1 and O2+DAC . Which is better?

Also is there any Fiio amp+dac that can drive DT880? Been looking at E07k and E10K. Not sure which is better ><
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Aune T1 is right in your budget but not the O2+ODAC combo. The O2+ODAC costs a lot more.. tongue.gif
From my experience,
The Aune T1 can drive the your DT880 with pretty plenty of power, pretty good sound and can further improve SQ by tube rolling, why not?
And also from another experience, I had been using the DT880 with E17 + E09k Combo, it drives well and sufficiently.
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QUOTE(lolokzarecool @ Aug 26 2014, 03:21 PM)
Thanks for the reply.

Roughly a Aune T1 is around RM580 right??

How does the combo E17+E09K work exactly? From my understanding E09k itself is a desktop amp+dac already is it?? Whats the E17 there for? x.x sorry quite noob at this stuff.
Oh also how much does the E17 anb E09K cost respectively??

E07k vs E17? E17 much better?
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Around that price, if not cheaper. wink.gif
E17+E09K works via transmitting the line stage level to the E09k from the DAC in E17. E09k is a standalone AMP doesn't consist any DAC.
E17 costs around 4xx and E09k is RM3xx.

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