First image brings me back to the one thing I hate about Diablo.

Inventory Tetris.

If you play this, Torchlight 2 and then D3....

You confirm will jelat with dungeon-crawler for rest of your life

I actually like that than the inventory list we have in most games. The tetris works far better than list.

Looking forward to this game though, along with Torchlight 2.

maybe... but I now starving for dungeon-crawler. and I hate the control, inventory and stat system of DS3.

Combine any of five distinct skill classes each with multiple skill trees in which to specialize. Advance your class mastery up to 75 levels to unlock dozens of powerful skills and synergistic modifiers. New classes will be periodically released through downloadable content.

Destructible environments give evidence of your massive battles while collapsing stonework and flying shards of furniture can be used tactically to cause further injury to your foes.

Dynamic Weather brings the world to life with region-specific climates and a variety of weather effects. A sunny day can cloud over with mild rainshowers that builds into a booming thunderstorm. Variable wind gusts blow grass and affect objects like windmills and window shutters.

Gameplay systems designed to expand for 200 levels of character progression, equipment, and enemies to fight makes for ridiculous amounts of replay value.

Connect with old friends or make new allies in glorious multiplayer. Specially balanced multiplayer encounters will put your teamwork to the ultimate challenge.

Collect blueprints that allow you to combine salvaged components into unique crafted items and then, later, use those basic crafted items with higher-tiered recipes to complete items of unprecedented badassness.

Camera rotation enhances the three-dimensionality of the world and gameplay while levels are still designed so that players are not forced to rotate the camera.

Refined loot system drops less junk items and ensures more consistent rewards from hero and boss monsters.

Satisfying enemy damage and death effects with an option to enable blood and gore.

New quest and conversation system will allow players to choose quest paths and rewards, interact with NPCs in more interesting ways, and an intuitive quest creation wizard will make life a lot easier for modders.

An NPC faction system lets the player improve their relations with different NPC groups to earn rewards as their favor increases such as merchant discounts, new items, and additional quest lines. However, aiding one faction could turn a rival faction into your enemy. Choose which side you will support!

The ability to spend money to reclaim skill and attribute points alleviates the fear and frustration of having to make early, uninformed decisions that could permanently nerf a character.

More features are in the works and will be announced as Grim Dawn nears release.

What is Grim Dawn?

Grim Dawn is an action-RPG for the PC currently being developed by veterans of Iron Lore Entertainment, the creators of Titan Quest. The game is set in a thematically-dark fictional world loosely inspired by the Victorian Era on earth. Grim Dawn is being developed with the same tools and technology used to create Titan Quest. As a spiritual successor to Titan Quest, Grim Dawn will carry forward the best gameplay of this genre while bringing a few focused innovations and improvements of our own to the table.

Will Grim Dawn be based in history / mythology?

No, Grim Dawn will be set in a unique fictional world that is loosely inspired by the Victorian Era but is not meant to actually take place on Earth, mythological or otherwise. A lot of effort has gone into the development of a deep story-world with a rich history, unique characters and intriguing subplots. The setting will be “thematically” darker in terms of mood and environment but, don't worry, unlike many games set in post-apocalyptic style worlds, Grim Dawn won't be a burnt out, gray wasteland.

Where can I buy Grim Dawn and how much will it cost?

We plan to release Grim Dawn on Steam and through other digital distribution sites for about $20. In addition to this, you can also buy the game now from our website and download it directly from us when it releases. By purchasing directly from us now, your money will help fund our development and make Grim Dawn a better game. We may also release a box-copy to be sold in stores at some point but we have not yet worked out all the details.

What is this talk of downloadable content?

When many people hear the term downloadable content they are filled with fear and rage. They imagine having to charge $0.50 to their credit cards everytime they buy a new item. This is not what we imagine. This is a downloadable game, so it makes sense that when we release expansion packs, they will also be downloadable. These expansions will be similar to a normal boxed game-expansion in that they will generally contain new story elements, classes, enemies, items, and new regions of the world to explore.

Will Grim Dawn have multiplayer?

Absolutely! You will be able to group up with family and friends to take on the world of Grim Dawn just as you could in Titan Quest. In addition, we intend to release high-end multiplayer challenges especially designed and balanced for group play.

How will character classes work?

We plan to release with 5 skill classes, each containing several skill trees. Additional skill classes will be introduced through downloadable add-ons. Players will be able to combine any two skill classes to explore powerful synergies that exist between the skill trees of different classes and experience the varying gameplay styles of each class build. It will be impossible to max out all the skills from two classes, so there will be plenty of experimentation to find the best way to allocate your points. Don't worry though, if you aren't satisfied with your build, you will be able to spend money to reclaim spent skill points.

Will Grim Dawn have tons of sweet loot?

Does a bear shit in the woods?! We have made many improvements to our item drop and randomization system with far more custom-crafted magical, rare, and even unique bonuses. We have also made several improvements to the loot dropping system to ensure more consistent rewards and less junk cluttering up the screen / inventory. Last but certainly not least, we're introducing a new item crafting system based off collectible recipes and rare crafting components that drop in the world.

If I buy from you directly, can I still play on Steam?

To release on Steam, we must first submit a demo of the game for approval. It is hard to imagine that Grim Dawn wouldn't be approved but, of course, we can't say it is guaranteed at this point. Once approved, we believe it will be possible to work out a deal for existing orders to be carried over to Steam as has been done with other indie developers such as Wolfire's Overgrowth: http://blog.wolfire.com/2009/02/overgrowth-faq/#q10

As I said though, we fully expect this will be the case but we obviously can't guarantee it until it happens.

Will Grim Dawn use DRM that TOTALLY screws me over?!

Our goal is to screw you over as little as possible with DRM. We don't plan to use any DRM in our direct downloadable version of the game. If we work out a distribution deal for a boxed copy with a publisher, they may have their own DRM requirements but it is something we will fight to avoid.

I don't know if people would consider this DRM or not but one thing we are planning to do is authenticate your game-key in order to join multiplayer match-making on services like Steam. If you have a legitimate retail copy of the game, you shouldn't even notice this. It will have no effect on LAN or single player.

I bought a game key but I can't download the game WTF?!

Grim Dawn is still in development and is not yet available to download. Your game key will enable you to download the applicable version of Grim Dawn as soon as it is released. Once that happens, you can be certain that we will make a big deal about announcing it. We will also email all key-holders to let them know the game is ready to download.

If you bought a game-key thinking Grim Dawn was already available to download or didn't realize how long it may be until release, we will be happy to grant refunds as long as we have sufficient funds to do so. The last thing we want is unhappy fans. Please contact us at support@crateentertainment.com to request a refund and simply state that you don't want to wait for release. To process your request, we will need your game-key and / or the email you used to register.

So when is this game going to be done?

We're working insane hours to get something playable into your hands as soon as we can. However, we also want to make a great game that will meet your high expections when we release it. Development is sometimes slow and difficult to schedule because Crate is a very small, "self-funded" (read as mostly unfunded) team and some of our teammembers have to work day-jobs at other game companies to pay the bills.

That said, we hope to release an alpha in 2011 but, after all the blood and sweat we've invested in this game, we don't want to rush something out the door before it is ready. I think we all want this game to be a success, so ultimately, we can only say that it will be done when it is done. So please be patient with us; it will all pay off in the end!

Damn, a quick browse through Steam store revealed a crap ton of Diablo clones too.

Need to read thru each user review

Feature list

http://www.grimdawn.com/about_featurelist.php

 
FAQ

http://www.grimdawn.com/about_faq.php

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Direct-download the full game
Entry to alpha and beta
Your name in the credits!
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this looks n wat if it is better than D3 huh...

really? lol i see look like a 'cheap' version of diablo 3

really? lol i see look like a 'cheap' version of diablo 3

Bear in mind that this game is still in pre-alpha stage where there are still tons of optimization to be done.

If they are following what they have done in Titan Quest, I can be sure that we will be able to pick 2 talent trees (primary and secondary tree) from a list of like 8-10 trees for each character we created. The character class will be based on talent trees we picked instead of having a fixed class to choose from.

the graphic is amazing, some lag, but I believe this will be optimized before launch. cant wait!!!

the graphic is amazing, some lag, but I believe this will be optimized before launch. cant wait!!!

This game looks extremely amazing even though it is still in pre-alpha stage.

They don't seem to accept PayPal but they do accept Visa.

I suppose I can buy the Legendary Fan Edition with my Visa Electron.

bought 2 copy legendary last year since jan still can't play alpha stage

by the time this game come out i be busy playing d3,gw2, the secret world, torchlight 2

i be giving one copy away close to alpha release 

PayPal - Not our pals =/
medierra
Crate Employee - Designer

Due to the number of inquiries we continue to receive about PayPal, I wanted to post this response from an older thread in a more visible location.

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I haven't said much specific about our ordeal with PayPal since I had held out hope that we could work out an agreement with them but it doesn't look like that is going to happen, so I figure I might as well share our experience to clear up confusion about the issue and perhaps benefit other people / companies.

PayPal seems to be rather inconsistent in the way they deal with different companies and in the information they provide about what is or is not acceptable. I know of a couple companies who have used PayPal during alpha, beta, and even for pre-orders significantly in advance of releasing anything, similar to us, without incident. However, very shortly after we began using PayPal for pre-orders they froze our account due to "suspicious activity". Apparently making money is suspicious. When we inquired about it they said they would do a review of the account and determine a course of action. The result of the review was that they felt our business model was too risky, closed our account, and held our funds for 6 months.

Why was our account reviewed in the first place? I can't say for certain but I don't think it was the result of anyone reporting us. We've never had an unhappy customer to my knowledge. I think their system just automatically flags accounts for review based on certain activity like volume of transactions or when you attempt to increase the limits on how much money you can transfer out of your PayPal account per month. Our sales volume had suddenly spiked during the end of Jan / early Feb and we were doing quite a lot of pre-orders for a couple days until they froze our account. At that same time I applied to raise our transfer limit since it starts out at something ridiculously low like $500 / month, so maybe that triggered it. They make it very easy to get started using PayPal and then, once you're already using their service and generating a significant revenue, they decide whether they like your business or not.

At the time of the review, their stated issue was that they do not support the pre-sale of an item more than 20 days from shipping and that they believed our business model posed too great a risk for charge-backs. I said that I didn't understand what the risk was given that our pre-order, at that time, was quite clearly presented as a means of contributing to the project. A PayPal representative said that he believed people either wouldn't read that or wouldn't understand it and then would be upset when they didn't receive a finished, playable game soon after their purchase.

There was a similar story about the Minecraft developer, Markus Persson's funds being frozen by PayPal as well but I think he was finally able to work out some sort of deal with them perhaps due to the publicity he got over the matter. I think his circumstances may have also been somewhat different since he did have a playable alpha available for people at the time.

Whatever the case, I recently attempted to talk with PayPal again since they finally released our funds and we've never had a single charge-back in all this time. I thought with that spotless record, they might be willing to work out some sort of deal with us perhaps where they held a certain percentage of our funds in reserve to further mitigate the charge-back risk.

As is evidenced by the fact that we still cannot accept payment through PayPal, that conversation, unfortunately, did not go well. They said our business model is too high risk for them because we do not ship a physical product to people that PayPal can verify through postal tracking when claims arise. I brought up the fact that other companies engage in the sale of virtual goods in exactly the same manner using PayPal, at which point she said they could investigate those companies if I wanted. I obviously declined not wanting anyone else to feel the wrath of PayPal. I then pursued a different approach asking what we could do to change our business model to make it more amenable to PayPal. I was told there was nothing we could do. I even suggested we could start shipping a physical product to people. I got the same answer, there was nothing we could do. I didn't understand that since I felt like we had only ever been engaged in fair and honest business and were willing to make significant changes to appease them. After a little more back and forth, I finally got to the bottom of it - the representative told me once they made the decision to close an account, it was their company policy to never reinstate it.

So, while engaging in honest business with fans who want to support our game, following a model similar to other small companies we know that use PayPal, our account was closed and we are now permanently banned from ever using PayPal for all time.

My intention is not to discourage other people / businesses from using PayPal but merely to suggest that they should make the decision with open eyes and carefully consider how and when, in the course of their business, to use the service. As we have discovered, even with the best intentions, it isn't difficult to end up on the wrong side of PayPal and suffer irrevocable consequences. I think the best suggestion is to not use the PayPal for pre-orders and at least wait until you have an alpha to give people.

Uhh yeah, so we're exploring other payment options. We think we've found a suitable alternative but I've just been so busy with development that I haven't had time to take the next step. We'll have other forms of payment up before we go alpha though.

Source

Grim Dawn Kickstarter has started.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cratee...nment/grim-dawn

Not a day yet and it's already $20K. Too bad I don't have a CC .

I might pledge for this game. Loved how Iron Lore supported Soulstorm towards the end of the studio's life span.

Probably gonna put down $18 or maybe $50 for the game. The lead designers and producers of Crate are extremely friendly and down to earth. I think Grim Dawn is what i want Diablo 3 to look like to begin with. Gritty and bloody. Not like Diablo 3 looks bad, but it's art style wasnt exactly what i want. Loved Grim Dawn's Victorian Steampunk style too.

Titan Quest is also a fairly good game to begin with, so Grim Dawn might not be that bad.

Not gonna fund for Wasteland 2 or any other indie game, but Grim Dawn, hell yea.

Ditto. I've tried to love D3, but the art direction is always a turn off. Just watched the armor trailer last night and I can't help but think "Diablocraft."   

Judging from the beta reaction no doubt the game will be a blast anyway but for those who played the first two games the jump from realistic to Blizzard-y art direction is.. quite disappointing.

Diablo as it was born died along with Blizzard North, that's a fact.
P.S - HS it's already $60K.

^ y u no want use kredit karte to buy?

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PayPal - Not our pals =/
medierra
Crate Employee - Designer

Due to the number of inquiries we continue to receive about PayPal, I wanted to post this response from an older thread in a more visible location.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I haven't said much specific about our ordeal with PayPal since I had held out hope that we could work out an agreement with them but it doesn't look like that is going to happen, so I figure I might as well share our experience to clear up confusion about the issue and perhaps benefit other people / companies.

PayPal seems to be rather inconsistent in the way they deal with different companies and in the information they provide about what is or is not acceptable. I know of a couple companies who have used PayPal during alpha, beta, and even for pre-orders significantly in advance of releasing anything, similar to us, without incident. However, very shortly after we began using PayPal for pre-orders they froze our account due to "suspicious activity". Apparently making money is suspicious. When we inquired about it they said they would do a review of the account and determine a course of action. The result of the review was that they felt our business model was too risky, closed our account, and held our funds for 6 months.

Why was our account reviewed in the first place? I can't say for certain but I don't think it was the result of anyone reporting us. We've never had an unhappy customer to my knowledge. I think their system just automatically flags accounts for review based on certain activity like volume of transactions or when you attempt to increase the limits on how much money you can transfer out of your PayPal account per month. Our sales volume had suddenly spiked during the end of Jan / early Feb and we were doing quite a lot of pre-orders for a couple days until they froze our account. At that same time I applied to raise our transfer limit since it starts out at something ridiculously low like $500 / month, so maybe that triggered it. They make it very easy to get started using PayPal and then, once you're already using their service and generating a significant revenue, they decide whether they like your business or not.

At the time of the review, their stated issue was that they do not support the pre-sale of an item more than 20 days from shipping and that they believed our business model posed too great a risk for charge-backs. I said that I didn't understand what the risk was given that our pre-order, at that time, was quite clearly presented as a means of contributing to the project. A PayPal representative said that he believed people either wouldn't read that or wouldn't understand it and then would be upset when they didn't receive a finished, playable game soon after their purchase.

There was a similar story about the Minecraft developer, Markus Persson's funds being frozen by PayPal as well but I think he was finally able to work out some sort of deal with them perhaps due to the publicity he got over the matter. I think his circumstances may have also been somewhat different since he did have a playable alpha available for people at the time.

Whatever the case, I recently attempted to talk with PayPal again since they finally released our funds and we've never had a single charge-back in all this time. I thought with that spotless record, they might be willing to work out some sort of deal with us perhaps where they held a certain percentage of our funds in reserve to further mitigate the charge-back risk.

As is evidenced by the fact that we still cannot accept payment through PayPal, that conversation, unfortunately, did not go well. They said our business model is too high risk for them because we do not ship a physical product to people that PayPal can verify through postal tracking when claims arise. I brought up the fact that other companies engage in the sale of virtual goods in exactly the same manner using PayPal, at which point she said they could investigate those companies if I wanted. I obviously declined not wanting anyone else to feel the wrath of PayPal. I then pursued a different approach asking what we could do to change our business model to make it more amenable to PayPal. I was told there was nothing we could do. I even suggested we could start shipping a physical product to people. I got the same answer, there was nothing we could do. I didn't understand that since I felt like we had only ever been engaged in fair and honest business and were willing to make significant changes to appease them. After a little more back and forth, I finally got to the bottom of it - the representative told me once they made the decision to close an account, it was their company policy to never reinstate it.

So, while engaging in honest business with fans who want to support our game, following a model similar to other small companies we know that use PayPal, our account was closed and we are now permanently banned from ever using PayPal for all time.

My intention is not to discourage other people / businesses from using PayPal but merely to suggest that they should make the decision with open eyes and carefully consider how and when, in the course of their business, to use the service. As we have discovered, even with the best intentions, it isn't difficult to end up on the wrong side of PayPal and suffer irrevocable consequences. I think the best suggestion is to not use the PayPal for pre-orders and at least wait until you have an alpha to give people.

Uhh yeah, so we're exploring other payment options. We think we've found a suitable alternative but I've just been so busy with development that I haven't had time to take the next step. We'll have other forms of payment up before we go alpha though.

Source

Not sure if i'm getting Diablo 3 anymore. Casualize and dumbed down. Really no thanks. No stats allocation, no skillpoints, free-respec. Grim Dawn hell yeah.

Grim Dawn has a Kickstarter project:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cratee...nment/grim-dawn

Help fund it and don't let developers that made good games died off!. They are the original developers that made Titan Quest.

Not to mention they are going DRM free!

Grim dawn Kickstarter has exceeded their target.

With it comes a thank you video and a short footage of a new class called the Arcanist.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cratee...wn/posts/222783

Jump to 2:07 if you want to skip the thank you speech.

Oh, I should also mention, I received an email today from an editor of a well-known gaming site that actually lives in Massachusetts. He's going to be dropping by my place tomorrow to do an in-person interview and also play a bit of Grim Dawn (hopefully it behaves).

Already pledged $50 for the game. Might add a bit more when my money comes.

Might go up to $100 at the end, if there is a chance to have the additional survivor city.

I will be happy if they can even reach 375k at this point since the project will end on 19 May.

It is quite impossible to reach the highest target unless there are a lot of rich, generous people pledging 8k-10k.

As a result of changes to federal regulations, Amazon Payments requires that you provide your tax identity information. Start now.

Hello All,

Arthur Bruno here, one of the developers on Grim Dawn.  A member of this forum who backed us on Kickstarted sent me the link to this thread.  I just wanted to thank everyone for the support and positive comments!

Hello All,

Arthur Bruno here, one of the developers on Grim Dawn.  A member of this forum who backed us on Kickstarted sent me the link to this thread.  I just wanted to thank everyone for the support and positive comments!

Hello All,

Arthur Bruno here, one of the developers on Grim Dawn.  A member of this forum who backed us on Kickstarted sent me the link to this thread.  I just wanted to thank everyone for the support and positive comments!

Dammit I wish I have the time to contribute some.

ah titan quest, a nice game.

now still pre-order or the game release edy.

kinda makes me wonder why nobody buy this company and set things up straight

Because Crate wants to remain independent as they were burned badly over the whole Titan Quest issue. They didnt get paid much for making the game to begin with, on an IP they dont fully own. Then, there are other superiors from THQ instructing them to do things to THQ's liking, such as no mature creature design and content must be designed in a way that every player get to experience it.

One of their blog post did mention that there are a couple of publishers wanted to buy over their company and game, but Crate wants to remain independent. I think the designer was even offered a job personally by Jay Wilson to work at Blizzard to develop Diablo 3.

Do correct me if im wrong.

hope they remain independent and dun sell their soul 

Because Crate wants to remain independent as they were burned badly over the whole Titan Quest issue. They didnt get paid much for making the game to begin with, on an IP they dont fully own. Then, there are other superiors from THQ instructing them to do things to THQ's liking, such as no mature creature design and content must be designed in a way that every player get to experience it.

One of their blog post did mention that there are a couple of publishers wanted to buy over their company and game, but Crate wants to remain independent. I think the designer was even offered a job personally by Jay Wilson to work at Blizzard to develop Diablo 3.

Do correct me if im wrong.