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post Jul 1 2011, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(ThisIsBoletaria @ Jul 1 2011, 07:31 AM)
So, tl;dr: AMD dropped the ball with their muxless design and are trying to fix it now?
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Don't even know if AMD/HP trying to fix this. All anticipated a fix in upcoming 11.7 Catalyst or Bios update from HP. doh.gif

QUOTE(reevephon @ Jul 1 2011, 07:32 AM)
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Is this the reason make me not able to play Counter Strike in full screen mode?
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Not even related.. you can use the tool that Lee's posted few pages back and set the scaling to fullscreen.


Added on July 1, 2011, 10:09 am
QUOTE(RiverDrifte @ Jun 30 2011, 07:40 PM)
Acid  rclxms.gif i think you are the best candid to try

CCC 11.7 Early Build
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So.. i become a ratlab again.

No problem encountered while installing.
Ran few benchmarks@stock clocks.

Dirt 3
49 Fps
3Dmark06
11760
3DMarkVantage
P7133
3DMark11
P1577
Final Fantasy XIV
2579

Also.. a noticeable gain in Tropico 3 and The Witcher 2.



By the way.. Shift 2 DLC ish aweshum.
The Legend car pack is beautiful. wub.gif
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This post has been edited by Acid_RuleZz: Jul 1 2011, 10:10 AM
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post Jul 1 2011, 10:10 AM

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Morning peep~~ good day for everyone.

QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 1 2011, 03:49 AM)
Long post is long.. read carefully
Source: FAQ: Consolidated thread w/FAQ on 61xx switchable graphics + advice to potential 61xx buyers

UPDATED 6/30/2011

I thought I might centralise the discussion for those who ask as whether they should buy the DV6/7 61xx or refund their order as I think the switchable graphics thread has become a little confusing for newcomers.

Status of switching on 6770m: As it stands (as of AMD catalyst driver release 11.6) graphical switching for programs that use OpenGL as their SOLE graphic engine will not run on the 6770m discrete graphics card (dGPU). Instead, those programs will only run on the Intel HD 3000 integrated graphics card (IGP) and therefore will not run optimally.

As you have probably gathered MANUAL SWITCHING DOES NOT WORK ON DV6/7 61xx AT ALL so we can't override the dynamic switching in place.

OpenGL programs that will use Intel HD 3000 integrated graphics

  • Minecraft
  • Adobe CS Suite
  • Amnesia: The Dark Descent
  • Quake Live
Not an exhaustive list by any means. There may be a number of graphical creation/manipulation/3D modelling programs out there that also run solely on OpenGL and will therefore not run well on the 61xx. but bear in mind the following:

  • Most Windows games run on DirectX which works fine with the 6770m.
  • Most modern Windows games that can run on OpenGL will also have the option for you to run through DirectX.
Other annoying issues:
Currently, the 6770m will not register clock and memory speeds properly on monitoring software such as GPU-Z. Benchmarking/stress testing software such as Furmark will not run well at all (OpenGL) and if you bench with any 3DMark software the results screen will show that it's just tested your Intel HD 3000 (which it hasn't, it'll have benched your 6770m, but because under the muxless design, your Intel IGP is always on, it recognises the IGP first, and not your 6770m - more on mux and muxless designs below).

Also, you cannot overclock the 6770m in the 61xx whereas you can in the 6xxx range.

Does the switching problem only affect 1080 resolution models?
No, 768 models are affected too.

Should you buy/return?

If you:

  • Surf the net and play modern Windows games (with exception of Minecraft) -You're fine as the 6770m will cater for most of your needs but you have to understand your dGPU is crippled to an extent should you ever need OpenGL acceleration.
  • Play games and use graphical content creation software such as Adobe's suite of products - Problematic - would definitely not buy or would return.
  • Do a mixture of everything above - if you have programs that run on OpenGL my advice would be not to buy. Why buy a laptop that's not working at its full potential?
When will HP or AMD fix this issue?
This is the hard part and it's anybody's guess at the moment as HP and AMD have not made public they are aware of this issue. Through the complaints that all of us have fed back to HP and AMD I'm sure they're aware of it. Some hope that by the release of the 11.7 catalyst drivers due out in July this may be fixed but it's all speculation at this point.

But this disclaimer on AMD's switchable graphics web page does not give hope to a resolution anytime soon:

"With AMD Dynamic Switchable Graphics technology, full enablement of all discrete graphics video and display features may not be supported on all systems (e.g. OpenGL applications will run on the integrated GPU or the APU as the case may be). Always check with your system manufacturer for specific mode capabilities and supported technologies."
AMD Dynamic Switchable Graphics Technology

Are other laptops from other manufacturers affected in the same way?
Yes. Any new laptop with the AMD muxless graphics switching design will have this problem, regardless of brand.
Here are a few examples:
ATI GPU doesn't work on E520 - Lenovo Community
IdeaStorm | Update Vostro 3550 AMD 6630/Intel HD 3000 Switchable Drivers

What is mux (manual) and muxless (dynamic) graphics switching? Is it a matter of it being a driver or hardware based issue?
bsoft explains it better than I can here - edited for brevity and accuracy:

Any link to the video? i want to try with my Chrome.
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very nice acid~ thanks for the article. thumbup.gif

guys, am very bad luck, last night when my laptop hang, it freeze at "restoring system registry" during doing system restore with my external HD backup disk,
at first i try not interrupt my laptop but after 2 hour its still hang there (the round circle waiting icon don't even rounding circle) then i decide to sleep.
when i wake up this morning the screen still showing same thing, i am trying force reboot & tada ~~ i cant boot in to window anymore lol sweat.gif

then i try to boot with the recovery dvd and my external backup disk both also fail, sweat.gif
am now downloading a system repair disk ISO to burn into cd to try again after work,
hopefully the system repair cd will work for my laptop. thumbup.gif
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post Jul 1 2011, 10:14 AM

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Acid_RuleZz.. did u OC ur card? i bet u use current stock right? u play dirt 3 use what setting?
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post Jul 1 2011, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jul 1 2011, 10:14 AM)
Acid_RuleZz.. did u OC ur card? i bet u use current stock right? u play dirt 3 use what setting?
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Yeah i OC my card. hmm.gif

Dirt 3 with
Particles & Mirrors = Medium
Others = High/Ultra
AA = 2xMSAA
AF = 8x
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post Jul 1 2011, 10:35 AM

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u use core/memory? 47 fps is great score.. i also can't get it.. all medium & off AA & AF & vsync get 50 fps nia..
the highest guy OC 6770M >> http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1450218

This post has been edited by ngkhanmein: Jul 1 2011, 10:38 AM
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post Jul 1 2011, 11:23 AM

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acid, cheers for the FAQ post, much appreciated

lets hope the next update will give us what we want and hope for !
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post Jul 1 2011, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 1 2011, 03:49 AM)
Long post is long.. read carefully
Source: FAQ: Consolidated thread w/FAQ on 61xx switchable graphics + advice to potential 61xx buyers

UPDATED 6/30/2011

I thought I might centralise the discussion for those who ask as whether they should buy the DV6/7 61xx or refund their order as I think the switchable graphics thread has become a little confusing for newcomers.

Status of switching on 6770m: As it stands (as of AMD catalyst driver release 11.6) graphical switching for programs that use OpenGL as their SOLE graphic engine will not run on the 6770m discrete graphics card (dGPU). Instead, those programs will only run on the Intel HD 3000 integrated graphics card (IGP) and therefore will not run optimally.

As you have probably gathered MANUAL SWITCHING DOES NOT WORK ON DV6/7 61xx AT ALL so we can't override the dynamic switching in place.

OpenGL programs that will use Intel HD 3000 integrated graphics


  • Minecraft

  • Adobe CS Suite

  • Amnesia: The Dark Descent

  • Quake Live

Not an exhaustive list by any means. There may be a number of graphical creation/manipulation/3D modelling programs out there that also run solely on OpenGL and will therefore not run well on the 61xx. but bear in mind the following:


  • Most Windows games run on DirectX which works fine with the 6770m.

  • Most modern Windows games that can run on OpenGL will also have the option for you to run through DirectX.

Other annoying issues:
Currently, the 6770m will not register clock and memory speeds properly on monitoring software such as GPU-Z. Benchmarking/stress testing software such as Furmark will not run well at all (OpenGL) and if you bench with any 3DMark software the results screen will show that it's just tested your Intel HD 3000 (which it hasn't, it'll have benched your 6770m, but because under the muxless design, your Intel IGP is always on, it recognises the IGP first, and not your 6770m - more on mux and muxless designs below).

Also, you cannot overclock the 6770m in the 61xx whereas you can in the 6xxx range.

Does the switching problem only affect 1080 resolution models?
No, 768 models are affected too.

Should you buy/return?

If you:


  • Surf the net and play modern Windows games (with exception of Minecraft) -You're fine as the 6770m will cater for most of your needs but you have to understand your dGPU is crippled to an extent should you ever need OpenGL acceleration.

  • Play games and use graphical content creation software such as Adobe's suite of products - Problematic - would definitely not buy or would return.

  • Do a mixture of everything above - if you have programs that run on OpenGL my advice would be not to buy. Why buy a laptop that's not working at its full potential?

When will HP or AMD fix this issue?
This is the hard part and it's anybody's guess at the moment as HP and AMD have not made public they are aware of this issue. Through the complaints that all of us have fed back to HP and AMD I'm sure they're aware of it. Some hope that by the release of the 11.7 catalyst drivers due out in July this may be fixed but it's all speculation at this point.

But this disclaimer on AMD's switchable graphics web page does not give hope to a resolution anytime soon:

"With AMD Dynamic Switchable Graphics technology, full enablement of all discrete graphics video and display features may not be supported on all systems (e.g. OpenGL applications will run on the integrated GPU or the APU as the case may be). Always check with your system manufacturer for specific mode capabilities and supported technologies."
AMD Dynamic Switchable Graphics Technology

Are other laptops from other manufacturers affected in the same way?
Yes. Any new laptop with the AMD muxless graphics switching design will have this problem, regardless of brand.
Here are a few examples:
ATI GPU doesn't work on E520 - Lenovo Community
IdeaStorm | Update Vostro 3550 AMD 6630/Intel HD 3000 Switchable Drivers

What is mux (manual) and muxless (dynamic) graphics switching? Is it a matter of it being a driver or hardware based issue?
bsoft explains it better than I can here - edited for brevity and accuracy:

Any link to the video? i want to try with my Chrome.
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Acid, I actually open any videos in youtube, it will be like that... and another thing is the actual clickable "toggle fullscreen" button in the youtube player can only be click on the black bar, the button I actually see which is before the black bar is linked to the button before the fullscreen button which is the "resolution changing button"... it's weird I know... I dont even know how to explain it properly lol

In IE and Opera, it's fine but this problem only on Chrome and Firefox sad.gif



UPDATED

Sifu lee again, solved my problem lol, didnt know it can be solved that easily lol

Quote from sifu lee:
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Can you try right click the flash, settings, then go to the leftmost tab, and disable hardware acceleration?


Problem solved! Thanks a lot to everyone who helped smile.gif

This post has been edited by T0mmytky: Jul 1 2011, 03:17 PM
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post Jul 1 2011, 02:29 PM

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did u update ur flash player? (activex & plugin)
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jul 1 2011, 02:29 PM)
did u update ur flash player? (activex & plugin)
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ya, it's up to date (version 10.3.181)
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:07 PM

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Hey guys, an annoying issue is that sometimes when I start typing and I type 'b' it turns off my beats (even though I didn't press the Fn button). Anyway to disable this?
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:08 PM

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Hi ppl, im totally satisfied wif this laptop. Only gripe is the minute eject button on the BD. No hardware problem so far.
Everything runnin smooth, runnin cool.
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:13 PM

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something due to ur ati driver? r u installed properly? cos i dun have switchable graphics..
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My laptop also does not have coolsense installed :S When I click on it, it says that it can't find thermalassistant.exe. Does anyone know where I can download it?
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wow....tried crisis2....damn the game play is good. however,

i only feel that "advance" mode for graphics is smoother then hardcore. is it normal?

i played in 1366x768...

just got my extra ram 4gb at rm80...nice!
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advance mode mean u enable A.I??
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jul 1 2011, 10:35 AM)
u use core/memory? 47 fps is great score.. i also can't get it.. all medium & off AA & AF & vsync get 50 fps nia..
the highest guy OC 6770M >> http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1450218
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Lol.. that is my score. tongue.gif

and this is my vantage score.. http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3284627



QUOTE(ITrocks @ Jul 1 2011, 03:25 PM)
My laptop also does not have coolsense installed :S When I click on it, it says that it can't find thermalassistant.exe. Does anyone know where I can download it?
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Go to driver download page and download HP Support Assistant.
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use 3dmark11 lah dun use vantage..
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:08 PM

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Vantage still gooding for DX10.1 scores. hmm.gif
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:11 PM

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ur card is directx11 ma.. 3dmark06 no use! so the 3dmark11 is u OC a not??
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jul 1 2011, 04:11 PM)
ur card is directx11 ma.. 3dmark06 no use! so the 3dmark11 is u OC a not??
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Still not all games DX11 ma.. The Witcher 2 so pretty but only use DX9.

Yeah that P1917 in 3DMark11 i OC'ed my GPU.
Core = 909Mhz and Mem = 1010Mhz.

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