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 Digital TV Station Malaysia, How do I tune to digital TV station?

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post Oct 5 2017, 11:17 PM

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Around 2.5 Mbps for a HD 1080i channel, encoded in H.264!!! I borrowed a set top box from my relative to try record something (which the family is on holiday) and found such shocking bitrates, not to mention 32kbps HE-AAC V2 Stereo which Josh had been mentioned in the past. The picture quality is not good at all with frequent blocky images due to low bitrate used. (FYI, TV Alhijrah channel over myFreeview broadcasts in 6.x Mbps, which looks slightly better due to higher bitrates but it is still bad, and other SD channels use similar bitrates as "Test Channel HD")

Shocking poor HD quality pictures may become a reality in the future for DTT, especially for Media Prima (which they consider the bandwidth pricing charged by MYTV as hefty).

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post Oct 6 2017, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Oct 6 2017, 12:41 PM)
Al Hijrah's HD quality is sucks. It's not about the bitrate. It is some technical settings that they need to deal with.
The channel transmits in a satisfactory bitrate for HD channel quality, but from Al Hijrah's side, the quality not so good due to some technical settings from Al Hijrah, not MYTV.

The HD channel quality even on MYTV will be almost the same or exactly the same as you see on Astro's HD channel quality. No need to be surprised for that.
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I was just shocking for extremely low bitrates used. In fast moving scenes, the picture in the test channel breaks up completely while on All Hijrah channel, the break up is lower (still not as good as all, as I had see Mediacorp DTT or some rips from Blu-ray who has great picture quality and without shitstains)

Do anyone notes that although Media Prima provides EPG, but the description is not available on DTT?
(Astro/HyppTV carries the descrpition of the programme.)

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post Oct 17 2017, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Oct 17 2017, 01:14 PM)
Technical question: Is channel bitrate for Media Prima's remains within 2.3-2.5Mbps? Because on Tonton it got bumped at 1.8Mbps... hmm.gif
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Not sure about it yet. Last time when I tested (around 2 weeks ago) the bitrates for ALL SD channels is on the range of 2.3-2.5Mbps.

Thanks for info for Tonton.
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post Oct 25 2017, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(Wobblyblob @ Oct 25 2017, 04:29 AM)
Can the K2 DVBT2 receiver from Lazada receive RTM Supertext, MyKlik OTT/VOD and Tonton OTT through aerial?
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Probably not.
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post Oct 26 2017, 07:55 AM

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Does anyone notice that the clock on the myFreeview DTT system has been behind for a few minutes for a unknown reason? Although the programmes still start on time but such glitches disturbs recording timings.
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post Oct 26 2017, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(truelife @ Oct 26 2017, 02:17 PM)
My TV (with built-in DVB-T2) digital channels are a few seconds behind the analogue channels.
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I know the few second delay for digital channels but the time provided by the MYTV signal is delayed for a few minutes.

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post Oct 28 2017, 02:23 AM

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Agree that TV3 HD has a great picture when they broadcast native HD content (Maybe due to very good encoders used on MYTV, since they managed to broadcast HD pictures on just 2.5Mbps when MYTV does some testing for TVAlhjirah/Test Channel HD 798 when the channel exists who have softer pictures.) Audio is only in an acceptable level.

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post Oct 28 2017, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(mitsu manabe @ Oct 27 2017, 12:10 PM)
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OMG. Such reasons are certainly nonsense. Not only that the additions of these shitty watermarks are annoying but it is completely not required. I hope these can be permanently retired as soon as possible.
I agree that what SKMM said which the awareness for the DTT system is surprisingly low on the general public although transmission has been there for months (sometimes even years). The situation makes worst by having little promotion of myFreeview on local television.
Although there is much promotion done by Mediacorp about the awareness of digital TV, I can still see many TV screens across Johor Bahru tuning to analog versions of Mediacorp/Local (myFreeview) channels although the system is up for almost 4 years in the region (for Mediacorp DTT).

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post Oct 28 2017, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Oct 28 2017, 10:25 AM)
The most important is the video encoder's settings they use, not necessarily the encoder itself.

Broadcasters (e.g. Media Prima) can't just set the bitrate too high, as this will result in higher cost to them as they have to pay more money for bandwidth. Cuz if video bitrate is too high, means one frequency mux (e.g. 666MHz) can accommodate lesser channels. The lower the bitrate, the more channels can be accommodated in one frequency. This also explains why they use the current most advanced, bandwidth efficient audio codec, HE-AAC version 2, where good quality audio is possible with a pretty low bitrate at 32kbps Stereo. I can see that they're trying their very best to use lowest bitrate settings possible while offering great image and audio quality.

It's not 2.5Mbps for Full HD... If it's 2.5Mbps, you will see poor video quality when there's fast moving scenes. 2.5Mbps is too low for Full HD resolution video. 4.5Mbps for Full HD, is also acceptable level (to me), same goes to audio.

If you guys want to compare the image quality difference, make sure the content itself that is airing is in HD quality. If the programme is in SD, wait till the next programme. Don't jump to conclusion immediately when you see it's SD.
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My fault. I do mention the breakup of the TVAH test channel service in the past which is quite frequent and the picture is quite poor. 2.5Mbps HD is perhaps some "stress test" done on their encoders.

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post Oct 30 2017, 10:05 PM

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EPG for Media Prima channels messed up again. This time the EPG shown being 1 hours earlier than the actual schedule.
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post Oct 31 2017, 04:35 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Oct 30 2017, 10:42 PM)
Media Prima likes to do lots of test, I think...
Be patient, just ignore the EPG.
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It is way too unreliable. They can't even provide a proper show information for DTT like what RTM does.
Thats why I sometimes prefer to use Astro's published schedule/programme indicator to know the actual programme shown.
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post Nov 2 2017, 03:50 AM

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TV3 HD (on test transmission) starts testing Dolby Digital Plus audio.
At the same time the channel name for "CJ Wow" changes to "CJ WOW SHOP".
However Media Prima did not bother fixing EPG.

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post Nov 6 2017, 04:31 AM

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Just for those interested Mediacorp has now stop showing "HD" indicator on digital HD feeds.
Instead, they start showing "ANALOGUE" on the respective analog versions of channels.

For comparison, although these "Siaran digital myFreeview" watermark shown on Malaysian DTT is annoying, I agree that it is actually needed for some awareness and I expect some "Analog" indicator to be shown on Malaysian analog channels shortly before analog switchoff and the "Siaran Digital myFreeview" will be permanently removed on the DTT feeds sometime shortly berfore analog switchoff.

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Nov 6 2017, 05:33 PM)
Oh wow. Thanks for sharing this info...
Because Singapore will be shutting down analogue TV by end of this year, so it is good that they put such indicator, to let viewers know the source they're watching from, either digital or analogue.

If you have any news and updates about Singapore digital TV, do share with us as well... smile.gif I'm interested.
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Well, Singapore has now extended the analouge switch off dateline to end 2018, according to this :
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singap...62?view=DEFAULT

My guess is probably Malaysia will extend the dateline too.


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post Nov 7 2017, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(P0lyStati0n @ Nov 7 2017, 10:07 PM)
Anybody in JB experiencing signal issues at channel 5 and some other mediacorp channels?

Mine just stuck there, signal 100ŕ but quality below 10%
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Mediacorp DTT channels are fine for me.

For me it is actually myFreeview channels that have such quality issues due to co channel issues with channel SCTV in Batam, Indonesia.

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post Nov 7 2017, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Nov 7 2017, 11:17 PM)
For Singapore's case, it's different. Singapore only has 1 main TV transmitter (which is at Bukit Batok if I'm not mistaken), and only has 7 channels. According to the news, http://www.straitstimes.com/tech/more-time...h-to-digital-tv
The frequencies for all their analogue TV channels are below 700MHz, and their DVB-T2 digital TV frequencies are 5xxMHz, since Singapore's Mediacorp do not plan to launch some new analogue nor digital TV channels (unlike Malaysia, where new digital TV channels are "expected"), so basically from what I see, they don't have the urgency to switch off analogue TV also. This would allow more time for those (especially the elderly) who don't care or don't know about analogue switch-off, to switch over to digital TV. Even after they shut down, those frequencies will be left vacant, but of course it can be re-use in the future. But that doesn't means Singapore don't need to switch off. They know they still have to switch off some day, but it's just that, there's no absolute rush for them.

Meanwhile for Malaysia, we got 10 over main analogue TV transmitters over Peninsular Malaysia and each of them uses different frequencies, and some of it uses over 700MHz range, so this prevented the implementation of 4G services in 700MHz band.
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The telcos also want to deliver 700MHz 4G service to customers as soon as they can, because the 3G/4G networks across telcos especially in Klang Valley areas is starting to get congested as smartphone users is increasing rapidly. With more mobile frequencies spectrum band available like 700MHz, this can cater more users to enjoy fast mobile Internet. So I don't think even the MCMC will delay the date of analogue switch-off as from what I see, MCMC is quite taking pretty seriously this time. But if it get delay, I guess the latest is end-2018, won't go until 2019.
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A additional point is even if they do switch off analogue TV according to the plan (All services in Singapore currently transmitted, including analogue services are all below 600MHz), they still can't activate 700MHz LTE Band 28 because of the potential interference from Malaysia's TV1 analog and many Indonesian analog TV services which is currently still transmitted on that band. They can only activate if these channels/services from both countries are all switched off. Some spectrum repacking will be also done in Malaysia after analogue switchover if MYTV decided to start MUX 2/3 later to accommodate more digital services on myFreeview. (which most of them is allocated on 700MHz band).

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post Nov 8 2017, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 7 2017, 08:45 PM)
Ahh just I suspected...
Malaysian actually not ready..
Sure would be extended as well tongue.gif
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Well, most Malaysian households are actually well ready for digital television translation as many households has some form of satellite TV/IPTV services. (Astro penetration in Malaysian households is some 71%)

Why I said it will be extended is mainly due to some MYTV digital TV transmitters especially more rural ones are not ready for transmission. Some interference issues will also need to resolve too.

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post Nov 8 2017, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Nov 8 2017, 12:55 AM)
Thanks for sharing additional info about it. I've learnt something new as well.

Owhh if you talk about coverage, well what the public knows is the coverage is still expanding, like what the government/MYTV/MCMC said before that the coverage shall reach 98% nationwide, human population coverage before analogue switch off on June 2018. Now it's already more than 80% nationwide coverage, I personally think can make it on time la, about 7 months time from now... In addition to that, since 7/10 of Malaysian homes has Astro, that could mean many Malaysians don't care/don't know about digital TV because they have Astro or watch content other than terrestrial TV such as spend more on internet content, or don't watch much TV, or "analogue TV works fine, why go digital anyway?".

Are there many of your family members and friends aware about the existence of digital TV in Malaysia? They might heard before the term "digital TV" somewhere, but do they know what is that, and should they care if they're still watching analogue TV? Do they even interested to migrate to digital TV by listening to your advises? This is the problem. Almost all my family members and friends don't even know what is that, and they don't seems to care about it. But I don't feel bother much, because the quality programming of RTM and Media Prima channels aren't interest me much also, yet lots of propaganda somemore, so I'm not surprised if they don't know about it.  tongue.gif
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Actually not so. Some of my neighbours, friends and family only know the "digital TV" existence only because of Mediacorp DTT and have already migrated due to the availablity of these services.

Some others do not know what myFreeview is although they already have digital TV from Mediacorp/only have Astro TV. Those who use only Astro dont seem to care like what you said. (More shocking is some of them even thought that NJOI is another paid TV service like Astro despite I said that it is free with one time installation fee ohmy.gif bangwall.gif )

Some of them (like my mom) don't even know what Digital TV is (she know what is Astro but do not know it is digital TV) until I explain and show her HyppTV (get it after my house internet upgraded to Streamyx 8Mbps) and a few months later, myFreeview/Mediacorp DTT services when we replace old TV to one with DVB-T2 tuner at my home due to damage (the old TV was a LCD TV but has no digital TV tuner).

According to my observation on the TV screens in public areas across Johor Bahru, a lot of them are still on analogue/on Astro.

More suprisingly is the TV aerial man do not even know the existence of Malaysian DTT channels when I ask him early this year.

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post Nov 8 2017, 05:29 AM

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QUOTE(Bazinga! @ Nov 8 2017, 03:50 AM)
Hi guys, wondering if any of you know whether the gunung ledang station is up? Cause I'm trying to connect from melaka, but keep not able to connect to any frequency. Thanks
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It is up and try Channel 30 (546MHz).

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post Nov 10 2017, 03:38 AM

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QUOTE(utusan@gmail @ Nov 9 2017, 07:58 PM)
Im from Jb...
4-5 day ago till now... All of myfreeview channel No Signal...
Trying to scan... Only Singapore channel can get...
Pemancar down or what?
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The transmitter is up but the non reception in your area might be subjectable to co channel issues with Indonesian channel SCTV from Batam which is also transmitted on the same channel. Such co channel issues will only stop when analogue TV in Indonesia stops operating. Many people live in JB in fact could not receive myFreeview signal well due to this issue. Such situation make worst because most people here also have antenna pointing 2 directions, Gunung Pulai and Bukit Batok Singapore for slightly increased viewing choice.

In my area (which is quite close to Gunung Pulai transmitter) the signal while using outdoor antenna suffer frequent dropouts due to interference until the transmitter in Skudai starts operation (which in my location it have the roughly the same direction with into Singapore's Bukit Batok.)

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