hi,
not sure is this the right place to ask, btw,

im looking for my first, and im totally noob, no experience at all about car, and i just got my license today
been monitoring car selling website for this 2 month, since my budget is around 50-60k,
end up with this 2 choice. both are second hand car.

1. Honda Jazz 1.5 IDSI (2005)

2. Ford Focus Sport Edition 2.0(2008)

im not the 'racer' type driver, i drive cautiouly, and i care more about the looks before performance :/

so can u guys give me ''general'' pro and con about both car?
thanks alot.

This post has been edited by elasticote: Jun 10 2011, 06:02 PM

ford tdci?

normal. 2008.

2008 I think no TDCI.

i think jazz idsi got gearbox prob rite???

Looks? Depends on what you prefer.

I can tell you the Focus is a good car to drive. Good power, good handling but sux on fuel consumption and maintenance. Maintenance is a killer.

source: I own one.

With hindsight, as a first car, you are better off with a jap car. Cheaper to maintain. Since you just got your licence, I presume you're still quite young, not even working. Please do yourself a favour of not dumping loads of money into a car.

Get a newer version of Jazz that came with 5 speed gearbox instead of CVT. However CVT with iDSi engine will give you a very good FC. Not all CVT has problem. My house got city with CVT gearbox, so far no problem. Just change gearbox oil every 20k.

I am going to get new Jazz for myself. Love the design of Jazz.

Wait for new CKD jazz price around 80k+, coming soon this year . =D

are u sure jazz will have cdk ???

Aren't you lucky? Just got your license and already getting a car. As an inexperienced driver, I think the car has to be in tip top condition else, if anything happens like breakdowns or anything you be get panicky! My guess is you have already been driving on the road even without licence

I would advise you to get a new car with the same budget like a Myvi, Saga BLM or the likes. Less problems for the first 2 or 3 years.

new fiesta how much? i think 60k can get..

69k is manual. Sedan is 78k and sport is 82k

WOW! thank so much, this is really usefull info for me..
btw, im not too young, and already working..
so do u think jazz is better for me? or u have other sugesstion with range 50-60k budget?
thanks.

the new jazz u talking about, whats the price range?

yeay spot on there, been a driver without license for the past 3 years.. :/
new myvi and neo cps is on my watchlist also,
thanks for your recommendation..

Depending to what you want.... Your commitment are some factor need to be considered....
Dumping money on scrap metals are not a wise way..... Invest on properties or save money for emergencies(like getting marry) will be better.... That's another story....

Bro, mind to share the fc and maintenance info of the focus (previous model)?

And ts, i think 60 u can only get 06/08 or the best 07 if im not mistaken. However, focus is a good car. Just worry bout the maintenance compare to honda. If its a slight diff then it shud be fine.

if you dont have a trustable workshop and not the person that would like to waste alot of time and effort at ur car then go for more "common" car
a euro will left you hanging when came to servising and part and later you will be a euro car basher

get a Peugeot 207 which come with 3 years free maintenance at 73k to own a conti is very worth...

At that kind of price range why would you want an overpriced 2nd hand car (like the Jazz)? get the fiesta, the NEW one, it looks better, drives better, better power, better FC, and of course u'll have WARRANTY

This post has been edited by stormlcc: Jun 11 2011, 10:21 AM

Oh, cool. If you're already working, it make things a whole lot easier.

I think Jazz is an alright car. But since you are a new driver, maybe you could opt for a smaller sized car? Like a second-hand swift. Maintenance is reasonable, and very easy to park. And it's not a bad looker too. If you don't like the current looks, body-kits are always available.

Side note: Since you just got your licence and would still have your fresh manual driving experience, I think you are better off driving a manual car for a year or two. It really really helps in the long run!

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Added on June 11, 2011, 11:19 amI have the mark 2, not the 2.5 (facelift). I think the drivetrain and the engine is identical between the two.

FC for city drive is about 10.5-11 litres per 100km on RON95. So that makes it somewhere under 10km per litre. Pricey! But my foot's pretty heavy, and the car is very throttle happy, so if you are a slow driver, it will definitely be above 11km per litre mark, I'm sure.

Maintenance is a real killer. For a second hand, be prepared to fork out a few thousand just incase stuff breaks down. Take a standard toyota part, multiply the price by about 3, that would be about right. I've compared my maintenance with some of my other mates who have BMWs, and my maintenance cost per part outstrips theirs. That should give you an indication. That being said, there is a possibility you can get much cheaper parts from third party providers, outside AutoConnexion. Some mechanics like Murali (famous Ford mechanic in Klang Valley) could source you cheaper parts. Personally I've never used him, because up till 2 months ago I was still under warranty so I've always gone back to Auto Connexion.

BTW, if the car is still under warranty, I suggest you don't buy it. Auto Connexion is probably the worst SC I've heard or experienced in my life. Their warranty system is opaque and uncertain - at no point throughout my warranty period have I ever known what is under warranty or what is not. As an example, they guaranteed me that my drive train is under warranty. But a covering gasket blew and when I went back, they charged me 700 bucks for a set of rubber (equivalent of BMW would only cost you about 350-400). When asked that it is covered under warranty, they said "oh this part isn't covered. sorry." I insisted on a list of items covered and not covered, and they refused to give it to me.

Moral of the story: Focus is a brilliant car to drive, seriously brilliant. A driver's car. But maintenance and the crappy SC turned me off completely. I've said this many times in this forum - if my life depended on saying the most honest thing possible, please avoid Fords at all cost - it is simply not worth it.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by pwncake: Jun 11 2011, 11:19 AM

ts, am not sure about your knowledge on cars ; maintenance / technical / running cost etc...
but for 1st time car owner, i would suggest you to buy a new car; where the worry on wear and tear is a lot more less. no matter how well was a used car taken care of by previous owner, sooner, replacement on some running parts may due anytime, thus, indirectly increased the ownership cost.
works on your budget and go for the likes of new ford fiesta, forte or pug 207.
used car is fine if you know how the maintenance like (knowledge) and also, if you only plan to use it for the short term.

wow.. 2008 ford focus cud fetch around 60K now ?? demm!

thank you very much for all the facts and tips u guys stated here.. now i think better i go for new car.. thanks again..

Ford parts are very very very expensive, not suitable for first car owners or newly joined the workforce

^No matter how expensive it be, it won't cost the same as Merc or BMW right? Like comparing a pair of absobers.....

and u think japanese parts are cheap?

A Camry's air cond compressor only cost rm5+++ in Toyota SC while source from outside also need rm2000......
It is only 3% from the car price only.....

This post has been edited by kyheng: Jun 11 2011, 08:36 PM

japanese second hand or taiwan parts are plenty

Ford nobody carry parts, all have to go back to SDAC, or if got OEM is also imported from spain or poland etc.

u get what u paid for, original parts are always (twice) better than taiwan made stuff. I've tried and tested both in a number of components, original parts always last at least twice as long as taiwan made parts. although they are almost double or triple the price, but u'll get double or triple the durability, as i've said, u get what u paid for. and FYI for those who doesn't know, new japanese car parts are almost similar in price with ford

This post has been edited by stormlcc: Jun 12 2011, 01:33 PM

This reminds me on the headlamp set for my Wira.... Original Bosch cost rm4++ while Taiwan cost rm2++..... But the Taiwan set will deform faster than original.....
Another good example is the oil filter, a made in Japan Nissan cost rm27 while made for Tan Chong cost rm26..... Tested both using filter paper, with Japan mari, the oil less particals while the other got more....

This post has been edited by kyheng: Jun 12 2011, 01:40 PM

Yeah but ford parts are extra expensive because for some odd reason eventhough they are made in thailand, parts come from germany.

For japanese parts there are a lot of OEM manafacturers locally, even the ori parts i think some are made locally or thailand also.

Wiper blade is RM160 PER SIDE ori price, Battery is RM600 because of odd size, barke pads from 400, rear 700, front windscreen RM3718.50

price taken from Fomec forum

DELETED: WRONG FORD MODEL INFO

This post has been edited by Dias: Jun 13 2011, 10:31 AM

first question..are u a girl?
if u are, go for jazz..
it helps a lot if u're driving in city...
easy to park...
make sure u learn how to park REVERSE since parking nowdays are smaller and much more compact...

TS,
Between d Focus n d Jazz, get d Jazz unless ur pretty confident u can handle d maintenance of d Ford. D Jazz is kinda funky in terms of design n excellent in terms of practicality but dull in d driving department. If u still wanna get it, try to look for 1 tat as full service history especially for d gearbox.

But if ur really a motoring noob, best to settle wit a new car n let d warranty n SC handle d maintenance. Wait for d new Myvi or Persona (if u wan practicality), try d Neo (nice drive but seriously for singles), n if u can stretch ur budget a bit, consider d Fiesta (very good handling).

focus.nuff said

The jazz is overpriced for what it is, even 2nd hand. The focus is larger, safer and a better handling car and its 2.0 vs 1.6 for the jazz

parts for ford is expensive IF you go back to Sime Darby...now with the huge explosion of new TDCI and Fiesta owners, you will see parts price dropping as outside workshops start stocking up on ford parts

I have a Focus 2.0, regular servicing is no more expensive then for my other cars, used to have a Ford Ranger as well...so im quite familiar with Auto connexion..they arnt great, but there are far worse dealers..in fact.i get better service at Ford with my rm80k Ranger..then at VW with my 200k car

If you are able to absorb the slighly higher FC and parts prices for the Focus, you are getting a MUCH better car for the same price as the 3 year older Jazz

you really want a hatchback?
else why not get the bigger and cheaper sibling to the jazz - the city?

+1

ya cuz if you consider a City. Which is exactly the same like a Jazz just that one is a sedan and the other is a hatch. With your budget, can get a 2008 City Vtec which is newer and should be less problematic too.

jazz is nice in terms of design and reliability. The resale value is insanely overprices. But if you like it's design and don't mind paying for the premium price (even for secondhand) then go for it.

ford focus is also a very nice car and reliable. The only problem with this car is slightly higher maintainence cost compared to jazz. But at least it is not over priced. Apart from this, I would say focus is superior to jazz in every other things. Get this if you don't mind the low resale value and the slightly higher maintenance cost. Not like it's high like BMW or Merc.

It still is a more reliable car cause it is year 2008 compared to the 2005 jazz. 3 years is a lot of difference for a car's age.

Personally, I would go for focus purely due to it's age. Cause I know something called MTBF (mean time between failure). There are parts in cars that no matter how you take care, it had to be replace after x number of days.

just buy the focus!
i just test driven the focus tdci hatch ( and was suprise when they told me got tdci sedan)....tested both the cars and immediately sign the pre-booking slip.


waiting for loan to be approved n settle the booking/dp later. Its a fking amazing car! Now got 7K discount plus free tinting at the PJ (beside federal highway) branch..


The torque is mindblowing especially when in S mode


btw while driving back home - i missed one question. what is the road tax for 2.0 Diesel car? i know 2.0 Petrol is about 400 or so..what about diesel? any idea?

This post has been edited by cockerish: Jun 19 2011, 06:45 PM

Cant compare d TDCi wit d older 2008 1.8/2.0. D turbo diesel's torque curve would easily eat d petrol burners in terms of throttle respond.

I've heard bout the performance for the Focus TDCi.. hmm so it is true.. not merely a myth..

family use, straight go for focus
bigger

road tax for diesel is the same as petrol, no more differentiation

fiesta if cabin size doesn't matter...

if you are into cabin size, go for something else rather than Jazz....overpriced and not worth the pennies...

ford focus tdci is the best!
it has the power & good fuel consumption as well!
suspension are damn good!

Any idea when is the new Ford Focus coming here? Refer to this link: http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Focus/Overview

After taking a look at the specs of the car (we're talking about features like Lane Departure Warning and Active Park Assist) that rivals even bigger BMW's and Mercs...I am very keen on the new Focus...lol

I asked the salesman this...very vague answer but he said in 2013 or 2014 they are expecting to release this.

One thign to note the price will be even more than what we have now due to all the feature

I just help my friend find his first practical car (budget 60k-80k), his list of choice now come as below:
1. Nissan Latio (New or used-RM60k+ )
2. Honda Insight (New) - Maybe over budget
3. Proton Inspira (New) - Mitsubishi Lancer Clone.
4. Myvi Elegance (New)
His most important criteria is very good fuel consumption & low maintainance (hopefully high resale value).

This post has been edited by jemmi: Jun 27 2011, 10:12 AM

go for jazzz... i bought jazz idsi late 2004...good FC and cheap maintenance n good looking car....n suitable for single man becos awek2 will look at u...ahaha

Cannot deny the above... idsi have better FC compare to others listed...