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post Oct 25 2011, 09:55 PM

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2.3k gross x 12 months will not subject to income tax


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post Jan 30 2013, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(captivesim @ Jan 28 2013, 10:42 PM)
Hello anyone,

I want to ask when is the earliest i can start filing tax return? now or wait till march? cause i thought they normally start receive between march - june

btw i am sole propriertor
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unless you go to IRB request for paper form, else you can't submit so early since the e-filing system has not been activated for public use
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post Feb 24 2013, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(maldiniho @ Feb 19 2013, 01:02 PM)
hi guys, i have a question :

if I am a sole prop and I hired a staff, for his EA form what I should fill in the "No. Majikan"  (i think it starts with E) field in my staff's EA form?

FYI, my own tax no is OG xxxxxxxx. Do I have to request for another "majikan no" just for staff tax matters?

thanks for help
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QUOTE(klthor @ Feb 20 2013, 12:52 PM)
mate you have to prepare Borange E as well, the Borang E number = nombor majikan.
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not all employers will have the E file Number (Nombor Majikan), some companies/proprietorships/partnerships registered more than 5 years ago did not come with E file number unless they applied for it specifically for submission of PCB.

therefore, if you submit Form E, then you will have an E file number, if you don't submit, you leave it blank at the EA Form
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post Feb 24 2013, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(Eguy1314 @ Feb 22 2013, 10:30 PM)
Sorry, I am very new in this..fresh graduate.. >.<

Besides the links in the 1st page, is there any other sources whereby I can read about income tax in Malaysia? Because when I read through those link , i kinda blurr blurr >.<

Preferable in English >.<
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it is not easy to understand income tax rules and regulations, some of us here spent years in doing and learning it. for certain tax treatments we can only learn through case study, the guidelines given might be to brief.

most of the time peoples only learn those parts applicable to them such as tax reliefs, you can use google search for more info or read IRB Public Rulings for easier understanding

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post Feb 25 2013, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(maldiniho @ Feb 25 2013, 12:38 PM)
Thanks for advice. Would the IRB cause troubles to me (or my staff) if I leave it blank?
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there will not be any problem if your business really does not have an E File Number, so to your staff

QUOTE(klthor @ Feb 25 2013, 02:01 PM)
well i do agree not all Employer has E number back then, but now its auto generate for Sdn Bhd. the proper way = every company/partnership/prietorship has to submit Borang E as long as you have emplyees, if you have employee who meet their requirement to pay tax etc its a must for you to submit Borang E. so far i did not see any penalty impose to those did not apply for it. but since its the proper way why not do it that way rather than taking risk of penalty from from irb? besides its just few pieces of form you have to fill it thats all.
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the purpose of having Form E is to monitor those earning more than RM30k per annum and whether do they declare taxes. if your business does not have anyone earning more than 30k/the business is dormant then it is meaningless to file in although it works as a declaration. therefore no point requesting for an E File Number if you are not meeting the criterias
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post Feb 25 2013, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Andy72 @ Feb 25 2013, 08:31 PM)
Anyone still haven't received the CP500 notice yet? It's almost end of February and I still haven't received mine. In the past few years, it came rather early.
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were you required to pay tax in last year's tax return? if you were not required to pay, they may not send you CP500 this year.

if you are worried then ask your tax agent or call IRB to ask yourself
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post Feb 25 2013, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(Andy72 @ Feb 25 2013, 08:39 PM)
Thanks for the info. Yes, I did pay tax last year. Now I suspect it is either late or lost in the mail. I wish LHDN has a facility like e-CP500 so I can check online instead.
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most of the peoples hope that they will not receive the CP500, so that they don't need to pay in advance. not much peoples will like to pay in advance voluntarily. hahahaha

you can call to ask about it tomorrow
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post Feb 25 2013, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(klthor @ Feb 25 2013, 10:13 PM)
dormant is not required but for those which are active and have employees is not really meaningless, you can see the direction of IRB where they prefer every employer to apply for Borang E since they auto generates E number for Sdn Bhd. i assume you are familiar with tax issues, as an example will be the changes on CP204 submission. its always to be safe than sorry, we never know when IRB will penalty those employer without E number even they do not have employee salary >30k Pa or 2.5k per month.
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If IRB wants to make it compulsory for all employers, they should issue the Form E to them and not wait till they come and apply since their system should have all the info

QUOTE(klthor @ Feb 25 2013, 10:15 PM)
true haha, but i do meet some1 who prefer to pay CP500 because their tax payable is like 500k + - where they found it sakit hati when paying in shot -.-
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the income tax act is drafted in the way that you are 'guilty unless proven innocent', because you have to pay tax in advance, CP500 & CP204 before you file in your final tax. in 1 way it reduces your burden by not having to pay 1 lump sum which the amount may be substantial but on the other hand, you don't earn interest by depositing to IRB.

1 more thing is, you better don't underestimate because you will be penalised if the difference between estimation and actual is more than 30%. as if all the business profits can be estimated reliably...

for a well manage business, i feel that the 'paying tax in advance' practice is unfair to the taxpayer
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post Feb 26 2013, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(legiwei @ Feb 26 2013, 10:58 AM)
The practise of paying taxes as you earn is consistent in most country around the world. It's not exactly paying tax in advance, it's just that we normally compute our tax liabilities after the year has passed, if at all, tax payers are paying their final due late in the past. Note that IRB allows you to revise your estimation twice in 6th and 9th month of your business so there is room for correction in event your estimation is way off the mark.
I assume you haven't been working previously and do not have any Income Tax account. If your total income is not above ~30k per year, you do not need to submit your tax return since you will not be taxable. So, assuming you have flat RM2k earnings consistently throughout the year (RM2k x 12mths = 24k), you will not be required to make any tax return.
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Paying taxes is normal but paying taxes in advance is not normal. Sometimes you have not even received the money(cash flow) but have to pay in advance first.

6th and 9th revision are still before year end, business carries risks and uncertainties. It may experience fluctuations in final months, therefore the paying in advance practice does not benefit taxpayers. You pay them is easy, there's always e-payment system on irb website but where is e-refund?

Your less than RM30K income per year not subjected to tax is wrong since you assumed that employee has contributed epf, what if he did not and he does not claim other reliefs?

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post Feb 26 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(legiwei @ Feb 26 2013, 01:33 PM)
Your business FYE is 31 December 2012. You will estimate your tax liabilities for the year 2012 and pay tax installments based on your assessment throughout the year 2012. So, you're not exactly paying in advance. The only assumption is that profits accrue evenly throughout the period which might not be the case. Our tax collection structure is similar and practise in many other countries, so I guess you will have to label many of them as not normal too I guess. biggrin.gif

Anyway, in event that you have overpaid your tax liabilities, you will always have the option to write to IRB to offset your tax overpaid against your future tax installments. smile.gif

Great that you put things into perspective, I'm just providing an aproximate figure guide on the RM30k.
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A notice of assessment has not come out but you need to pay first, how can that be fair? Underestimate will subject to penalty but overestimate has no interest, fair? At least our neighbour, Singapore does not practise such tax collection method.

Offset tax instalments is very theoretical but when it comes to practical, it can be very confusing. You may offset current tax instalments with previous overpayments but what if you revise the previous YAs tax comps? The keep tracking procedures are very troublesome especially those clients who do not always pay on time, penalties come in again and make the situation worse. Some of the balances may be from the 90's, able to track?
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post Feb 26 2013, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(legiwei @ Feb 26 2013, 04:09 PM)
I've presented my case and you do not agree to it so I guess there no point debating further. smile.gif The assessment that you received (which is actually our very own tax return) is 7 months after the year of assessment. So, is this fair to the IRB? laugh.gif

It's not that difficult really. All you have to do is write in to IRB and meet up with the officer. We're now on self assessment so revising our own assessment is probably not gonna happen regularly. How hard is it to offset previous overpayment of tax to our current future tax installment >.< The important thing is to get IRB to acknowledge and agree to the plan.
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Obviously, you work for irb.

if you are a taxpayer, you should think on the taxpayer's behalf but you are damn funny

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post Mar 9 2013, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(Chester @ Mar 9 2013, 08:27 PM)
Last year I forgot to deduct this from my total salary: G JUMLAH ELAUN / PERKUISIT / PEMBERIAN / MANFAAT YANG DIKECUALIKAN CUKAI

This costed me about 2k of loss sad.gif anyway to recover?
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QUOTE(Chester @ Mar 9 2013, 09:14 PM)
Pelepasan cukai untuk anak - only one person can claim right? If both want to claim half half, correct?
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on your EA form, the total remuneration means salary + bonus + allowance + benefit in kind (eg, car benefit) + bla bla bla = total income excluded the tax exempted allowance

means your total income of the year is the total income + the column G. i think you take the correct figure, you can just ignore the column G since it is not taxable.

so far i have not seen any half half claim unless due to divorced couple. should let the one with higher tax bracket to claim the relief
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post Mar 9 2013, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Chester @ Mar 9 2013, 10:40 PM)
Not we shud minus column g? Sure?
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the total income there should have excluded the tax exempt income, unless your HR made a mistake. sure
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post Mar 9 2013, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Mar 9 2013, 10:54 PM)
im salary worker. which borang i shud choose? when i choose eborang they haf individu bermastautin, tidak bermastautin, syarikat, etc etc rclxub.gif

which 1 is for me?
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form BE
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post Mar 10 2013, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 10 2013, 06:05 PM)
I have ILP consist of medical card+36CI+etc total RM3000 annually.

So in that part, should I key in RM3000 or just key in the medical card cost only?
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why don't you read your annual statement carefully before asking here? it has already been separated into life/medical/education/PA/critical illness/others
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post Mar 14 2013, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(AngelTee84 @ Mar 14 2013, 04:28 AM)
sifu , please help me
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you can request IRB to lower down the CP500 instalment amount but if the difference between the lowered amount and your actual tax has more than 30% difference, the difference may subject to under-estimate penalty

the first instalment is due end of this month, pay it first then request for a revision copy from IRB if you insist on lowering it down
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post Mar 23 2013, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 23 2013, 07:38 PM)
user posted image

Under
"Insurans pendidikan dan perubatan
Education and medical insurance"

I just fill in the total amount of Medical Insurance Premium+ Medical/ Life Insurance Premium ?

1,300.64 + 154.66 ?
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did you read carefully?

medical/life insurance can only claim 60% at medical insurance portion
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post Mar 24 2013, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 23 2013, 07:50 PM)
David83

yes i also think so.

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are u sure?
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such term medical/life insurance premium can claim 100% under life insurance or 60% under medical insurance. the explanation behind the Great Eastern yearly statement is very clear.

ING insurance also has similar type of insurance which they categorised it as Critical Illness, such theory apply if i am not mistaken. so please read the explanatory note below your premium amounts. Only 60% premium qualify for medical insurance relief. Else you can claim 100% under life insurance + EPF relief. Claim either one only
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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Apr 9 2013, 07:07 PM)
hi guys.. my cousin is having OG as income tax number..
so he should login as EB or  e-BE login form ?

thanks
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if he has proprietorship/partnership income to declare then file in e-B else use e-BE
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post Apr 21 2013, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Apr 20 2013, 02:26 PM)
Ya I got 25% tax, that's need to find out from you guys how to fill in? Can you help or provide some steps how to fill HK3?  smile.gif
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If dont know how to fill in and want to save money, do not want to go to tax agent, then you should go to LHDNM office and ask those officers to help you. It is difficult to explain here

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