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 Daikin aircon, Good or not ?

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post Aug 30 2011, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(vincentwee @ May 30 2011, 11:03 PM)
if so good, how come don see "daikin" aircon sell at Best Denki, Seng Heng, Harvey Norman, Courts Mammoth...etc

personally im Mitsubishi supporter
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This is so funny. Because these mass marketer do not sell a product, they are no good. Is that why you say LV bags, Patek Philippe watches, Krell amplifier etc no good?


Added on August 30, 2011, 8:56 am
QUOTE(vincentwee @ May 31 2011, 04:52 PM)
definitely u need inverter.... all inverter whether Pana or Mitsu inverter only effective if used aircon more than 6 hours above
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Wrong. Try using a small air conditioner in a big all and run 24 hours a day and see what happen. In cases like this, a Invertor will actually uses 10% more electricity than normal air cond.

Invertor only uses less electricity when there are lots of stop/start operation. In a big hall with small air cond, there will be no such operation, hence no saving.




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post Sep 1 2011, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(phoenix69 @ Aug 30 2011, 10:54 AM)
I thought its the other way around.
Inverter air conditioner uses less electricity thus save money when usage exceed 8 hours,
If less uses more electricity compared to regular non inverter air conditioner,

Got this information from my uncle who is an electrical appliances distributor.
Confirmed this fact with a few electrical brands representative when I was visiting the goverment's energy efficiency subsidy roadshow (forgot name) in Kelana Jaya's Giant.
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Just because they are in that business does not mean they are not idiot.

Invertor air conditioner has to convert AC electricity to DC electricity. This conversation will incur a lost of 10%. So if you both air cond are used at FULL BLAST situation, an Inverter will use 10% more electricity. FULL BLAST commonly occurs in a big hall/huge room with too small an air cond.

In a smaller room or room with large enough air cond. When temperature in a room reaches the desired or set cool temperature, normal air cond will totally switch off the compressor (only the blower is working). And had to restart the compressor when the set temperature goes up. This stop-start operation uses a lot of electricity similar to a car uses more fuel in stop-start traffic jam situation. This is how normal air cond works.

In a similar situation of lots of stop-start, an inverter air cond's compressor DO NOT STOP COMPLETELY. It merely slows down and pick up speed again when room temperature rises. Since there is no stop-start operation, it uses less electricity. This is similar to a car that never have to totally stop or restart all over again hence reducing fuel usage.

Using car as an example, it's a fact traffic jam with stop-start uses more fuel than an non stop driving on highway. Nobody can argue with that. Likewise, nobody can argue Invertor do not save electricity.

Of course if you only use your inverter for only 1 hour when it doesn't even have time enough to cool the room or enter non-stop/non-start operation, it does not have the time to help you save money.


Added on September 1, 2011, 8:20 am
QUOTE(Serofax @ Aug 31 2011, 02:07 AM)
if im not mistaken, york was bought over by daikin sometime ago.

cheapest i've gotten so far for daikin air conds (non-inverter types) :

1hp - RM860
1.5hp - RM1260
2.0hp - RM1660
EXCLUDE installation. i didnt get a quote for installation as i hv someone else doing it for me wink.gif
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I think York got several model of that power rating. So which are you referring to?


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post Nov 11 2011, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(vincentwee @ May 30 2011, 11:03 PM)
if so good, how come don see "daikin" aircon sell at Best Denki, Seng Heng, Harvey Norman, Courts Mammoth...etc

personally im Mitsubishi supporter
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That is flawed logic. It's like saying LV handbags should be sold at Pasar Malam to be good brand and not when it is sold at specialty shops.





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post Jun 17 2012, 05:25 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ May 30 2011, 06:10 PM)
Daikin is rank No 2 in the WHOLEWORLD after carrier....

Yes... few years ago, OYL(york & acson) which was under Hong Leong Industry, was sold to daikin Global...

So, your answer is yes... york and acson is under daikin....

if I am not mistaken, York WM-J series is similar to Daikin one.. just cover change....  so, buy york inverter.... cheaper,easier service, wide network of dealers(more competition)

P/S though York is under Daikin, but that`s only under management wise... there`re lots of industry that daikin is invoved into also..... 
product/quality/branding/service/network is totally different.
So if buying York, is J series the better ones? Looking for the 2HP or 2.5HP model.
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post Jun 25 2012, 06:28 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jun 24 2012, 10:46 PM)
Daikin bought over OYL Group. OYL Group consist of OYL Manufacturing and OYL Condair. OYLM manufactures brands for J&E Hall, McQuire, etc. OYLC manufactures York. However, these are all commercial airconditioners like chillers and air handlers. Room air conds are not included. Worldwide York brand is now under Johnson Controls. Daikin is a different entity. Daikin's move to purchase OYL is to strengthen their commercial AC which they do not have in the past. Acson and York however are under the same entity in Malaysia.

If you have money, go for those big brands instead of Haier or Media or some local brand (kilang cap pokok or cap burung). All brand new AC shall not have problems. They shouldbe durable but once they age, different problems might surface. Best brand? I don't think any one can tell you which is the best brand.

Everyone is telling you different stories. I choose based on a few criteria. Energy saving level, unit size, piping size, exterior design, features, price, convinient after sales service. Get a good installer and you are 50% safe. Oh, get a good service man too.
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Why don't you get the Panasoinc Delux model. Their EER is a lot higher than the York M you got. Comparing 24000btu model, it's 9.9 vs 8.97

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post Jun 25 2012, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jun 25 2012, 08:41 AM)
I got M series with 19500 btu/h (YWM20M indoor, YSL20C3). EER at 10.38. Pana C series is at 10.2, with 18000 btu/h. Therefore, this is not apple to apple comparison. Also, even if I am comparing the 2 that i stated above, M series is still running on less power input and lower amp. I guess you just need to go compare the model you want. Generalisation will not give you the best selection. Like you said, M series loose out to Pana C series when it comes to 24000 btu/h.
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I don't understand. When I check out the 24000btu model, Panasonic seems cheaper to run. Can you pls comment?

CS-C24NKH (CU-C24NKH) ~ 2.5HP
24000btu
EER 9.9
2430watts

YWM25
24000btu
EET 8.97
2675watts
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post Jun 25 2012, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jun 25 2012, 09:50 AM)
Your fact is correct. York M series loose out to Pana C series in the 24000 btu/h category. As what I have post, what I got is the 18000 btu/h model. If you compare the 2, M series has better EER and lower power input for 18000 btu/h model. That is why I chose York M series over C series of Pana. Also, price wise, I am getting 1600 without installation for York M series. Pana PC series is selling at 1760, C is selling at 2000. I dont need the ECONAVI. And I don't really like how nanoe-G works. I like previous e-ion better. Hence I went to York for what i need. York has larger outdoor unit and the piping for York is larger. But this is for my living room and it is back to back. Calculating the piping cost difference, M series still gives me a cheaper capital, with a better expenses on paper, based on catalogue la...
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You know how to check which have stronger air flow for the 24000btu model from both manufacturer?

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post Jun 25 2012, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jun 25 2012, 10:02 AM)
Just check on the CFM or any airflow data in the catalogue. Larger airflow quantity does not imply that you will get longer air throw. Air throw is affected by the internal and external static pressure of the units. I cannot tell how far Pana is throwing, but according to York, they can throw 6m? Catalogue writing, I am not sure if it is really 6m.
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Could.

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post Jun 26 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Shazzac @ Jun 26 2012, 04:25 PM)
Actually, i believe that it depends on your usage and on the dust volume as well.

As you know Malaysia is very dusty, regardless. Like my bro's apartment, even close all the doors and windows 24hrs, today you sweep and mop nicely. Next day, the dust appears. So sometimes it's not the fault of the air-conditioner but the fault of our environment also.

Maybe you should wash the indoor unit filter (the one that can be taken out when opening the front cover) every week.
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May be it's time your brother get a Roomba robot.


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