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post Jul 5 2011, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(geekster129 @ Jul 2 2011, 11:26 AM)
jchue73, the colors in your photos are so colorful. The girl in the Mongolian/Chinese costume at one point I thought I was seeing Manny Librodo's touch. I love the vibrant colors. laugh.gif
Thanks. I'm no Manny Librodo though. sad.gif

QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 2 2011, 01:58 PM)
Yeah maybe i should get a TC down the road but my two touch copy is quite soft at the longest end though =(

and very nice photos there mate, love the colours and details! the 2nd pic bokeh is nice too laugh.gif
Thank you. You need a Kenko 1.4x TC to work with your two touch. The new AF-S type TCs have a tab that prohibits the use of the new TCs on older AF-D type lenses.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 3 2011, 11:16 AM)
It doesn't have nano coat? its f/1.8? It just has aspherical element which both 85 and 35 don't. Plus 85 and 35 has 9 blade aperture design.
The AF-S 35mm f/1.4 has one aspherical lens element. The AF-S 85mm f/1.4 has none while the AF-S 24mm f/1.4 has TWO aspherical lens elements. All of these 3 lenses have Nano Crystal Coating and have 9 blades for excellent bokeh rendering.


QUOTE(aldosoesilo @ Jul 3 2011, 04:57 PM)
jchue73 you have a nice pictar! smile.gif
Thanks.
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post Jul 5 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 4 2011, 10:13 AM)
Taken yesterday during a Fashion Show in Mahkota Parade, Melaka yesterday.

Experimenting with different approach,
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The stage, really sucks compared to KL's shows sad.gif
Aiks... What time was that? I was in Malacca last weekend.

QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 4 2011, 01:48 PM)
Sepam before going to class

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Ok now can go catch the train laugh.gif
The R8 LMS ! drool.gif When did you shoot this?

QUOTE(kokokranc @ Jul 4 2011, 08:15 PM)
buy a 15" MBP. buy a 27" SAMSUNG LED monitor. you have both portability and space. it's cheaper than 27" iMac too haha
Is the 27" Samsung a IPS monitor?


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post Jul 6 2011, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(jon501 @ Jul 5 2011, 06:30 PM)
i just wan to ask whether the a 24-70mm f/2.8 lens can perform well with the D300s? or any recommend lens for D300s. Thx
If you're looking for quality, yes it would work well. But like others have mentioned, the 24mm wide end may not be wide enough on DX format.

For D300s or any DX body, the AF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 is very versatile and excellent lens.

QUOTE(jauzi90 @ Jul 5 2011, 07:05 PM)
I'm using D300s with Tokina 12-24mm f4 AT-X Pro DX II..
but then, still looking for the better lens..  wink.gif
The Tokina is not bad but if you want the best wide angle, it's the AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8.

2nd perhaps is the AF-S 16-35mm f/4 VR but may not meet your ultra wide needs.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 5 2011, 11:15 PM)
If you're looking for bokeh, isn't the 50mm f/1.8G will serve you better than the 35mm f/1.8G?
Exactly !

QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Jul 5 2011, 11:27 PM)
i did research on some site and this http://www.flickr.com/groups/nikkor50mm18/...57614337201782/
I did try 35mm and 50mm on my d5100, i feel with 35mm i have better area control
Using this more for video and getting near to subject.
Ok, then bokeh is secondary for you then. As you found out, the 35mm suites your shooting style better.

QUOTE(jauzi90 @ Jul 6 2011, 01:04 AM)
18-200VR can do bokeh? qt confuse with those aperture things.. greater aperture,greater bokeh bla bla bla~

wanna find some lens that have combination of good bokeh,wide and sharp..
If you put the 18-200 lens at the tele end and get closest to your subject, you still should get some bokeh !

Eh, your 200-400mm f/4 VR should get tremendous bokeh too. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 6 2011, 01:54 AM)
Guys, what are the tips and guide when purchasing used lens? The shop quoted me the wrong price. It's RM4.9K instead of RM3.9K ~ Lol. Kinda expected anyway but I'm just giving myself false hope. Now looking at used unit instead.

In addition, a guy just let go his 2 months+ 17-55 /f2.8 with about 9 months+ warranty at only RM3.7K last weekend. Sheesh, missed that deal out sad.gif
If you're not sure, buy from reputable shops that deal with 2nd hand stuff like YL in Pudu Plaza.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 6 2011, 08:25 AM)
You need to be extra careful on such expensive lens; There's one guy in PM bought a problem unit, when he test everything was OK, later the problem emerge; When he send to Nikon centre, the repair bill was very high and there was repair record as well, apparently, according to the buyer, the previous seller opt for the temporary solution repair which makes it work for a short while or something like that; Not sure the details, but it's a good example of how bad it can turn out.
Shit happens not just to used stuff (and more likely from conman) but sometimes to brand new stuff too. My brand new D700 konk out after one week of use.
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 6 2011, 09:46 AM)
then what happen with your D700??  shocking.gif
The camera decided to go "home" to it's maker while I was in Japan. Gave the dreaded "Err" message on the screen. Just a case of bad luck.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 6 2011, 10:01 AM)
btw, YL open a new outlet in jaya 33...now no need go down KL and endure stupidity everywhere among the drivers there tongue.gif
Aiks ! Never noticed it. Thanks for the info. Yeah, traffic in KL is plenty stupid. Been a long time since I stepped into their KL shop.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 6 2011, 10:37 AM)
that's why there are still ppl out there collecting AF-D lenses, with no VR or AF-S to eventually break down tongue.gif
But but but... No Nano Coating. sad.gif

Anyway, AF-D lenses are cheaper while still having very good optics.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 6 2011, 11:10 AM)
My friend's 50mm f/1.4D screw drive thread worn out, the AF no longer accurate at f/1.4 :S.
First time hearing about the thread wearing out. Nikon body AF motor too powerful?
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QUOTE(jauzi90 @ Jul 6 2011, 12:43 PM)
Should I let go my 12-24mm ATX-Pro tokina DX II for  35mm f1.8G.. is it worth to buy?
Any reason for doing that? You're changing your interest from landscape to something else like portraiture?

If that is the case, you may want to try the new AF-S 50mm f/1.8G instead.

QUOTE(iloveOov @ Jul 6 2011, 01:05 PM)
Seem like so waste shooting this kind of photo by 24-70..xD

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 6 2011, 03:00 PM)
The screw drive, can see it is 'bigger' than my rarely used 50mm f/1.8D's. And the lens isn't accurate at f/1.4 already.
Your friend bought it new or 2nd hand? Don't know the history of the lens. For all we know, it has been to hell and back. sweat.gif

QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 6 2011, 03:10 PM)
Hmmm wonder if YL have this lens or not

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http://www.ephotozine.com/article/tokina-a...ns-review-16537

Wanna test how is it hmm.gif
Nice find. rclxms.gif I'm sure they will compare it to the 14-24mm f/2.8 monster. Physically, it looks very similar to the 14-24mm f/2.8.

QUOTE(shdwkillr @ Jul 6 2011, 03:40 PM)
I own a D90 and just one lens 18-200mm. Going to New Zealand end of this year for a short trip. I like to take trip photos mostly landscape and landscape with people inside the photo (Trip photo), as well as also close up shots of food, landscape monuments, buildings, etc. I am actually planning to buy the new Nikkor 50mm f1.8G lens as my secondary lens, mainly for those close up shots of food, flora, etc.(I like my close up shots to have nice depth of field) However, I'm not too sure if this new lens can be my main lens for me to use when I'm in New Zealand for any landscape shooting and people with landscape background. Kindly need advise. Thanks in advanced.
South or Northern part? 18-200mm should be a nice range. I went there a few years ago with a D70 + Nikon 24-120mm VR + Tamron 70-300mm. The tele end was useful when I wanted to shoot the sperm whale spouting on the surface at Kaikoru.

On your question, I personally don't think you can use your 50mm as a walk-about main lens for the things you intend to do. It's too tele on the D7000.

BTW, enjoy yourself. New Zealand is a wonderful place to photograph. If there is one place I would like to re-visit, it would be New Zealand.

QUOTE(david9 @ Jul 6 2011, 03:41 PM)
Hi ,

I have 1 choice to select since I'm on the budget

1) Sell my 50mm f1.8D go for 1.8G or 1.4G and Flash SB-600 or SB-700

or

2) sell my 18-105mm go for 18-200 VRII

or

3) go for sigma 85mm f1.4 EX DG HSM

I need comments and suggestion please . Thank you .
Portrait shooter here (:
I think it's either 1 or 3 if you're into portraiture. Getting the speedlight would depend if you're into available light photography (no flash) or not.

I would suggest you limit the focal length of your 18-105mm to 50mm (or 85mm) to discipline yourself to shoot at those focal lengths and see which is the one you're most comfortable with. Else, if you get the chance, try out those lenses at shops.
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 6 2011, 04:37 PM)
if you have D70s and planed to get newer body, but someone tell you get a full frame lens first to play then body later.... what you will do?
since i got a friend is not really using 50mm f/1.8D so i think i can borrow his lens for FF later if i got buy in next year?

assume you now got 35mm f/1.8 to use only (and got 18-55 kit lens + 70-300 non-VR got-mold lens)
Jumping to FF is gonna be very expensive. You need to sell everything you have now and buy FX lenses. Will your friend's 50mm be enough? The question you need to ask is what you are gonna do /shoot if you get a FF body. Does it warrant that kind of change? If you have money, it's ok to change as it does not matter.

Anyway, if this question was asked a few years ago, I would say invest in good lenses first because bodies come and go while lenses will remain for a long while. But nowadays you find that bodies are so much advanced that you would notice difference in output quality compared to old bodies. I would say getting a good DX body like the D7000 would be ideal for you at the moment and that you can continue to use your current lenses. Moreover, you're still using D70s. If you were using D300 or even D90, I would say buy good lenses instead.

Later on if you're interested in portraiture, you can slowly opt for the 50mm f/1.8G or the 85mm f/1.4D (not G since more expensive). If you're into landscape, DX ultra wide angle lenses are much cheaper too and you have a variety to choose from. If you have FX body, feeding it with FX ultra wide angles would cost a bomb.
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 6 2011, 05:23 PM)
just wan use for shooting figure and landscape more, portrait i not sure...basically just "slice of life" something and if got go out like out station maybe bring camera along to see anything to shoot. (that's why i choosing 35mm f/1.8G instead 50mm f/1.8D)
If you're just shooting mainly figurines, why do you want to go FF? doh.gif Shooting small items require a lot of DoF which on a FF body, you'd be handicapped. Best would be to go for DX body. If you're thinking "upgrading" the D70s to FF just because on paper it's a "better" upgrade, you're on the wrong path.

QUOTE(david9 @ Jul 6 2011, 05:35 PM)
Bokeh liker here . Now I have 2 options to choose

1) 50mm f1.8G and sb 600  or sb 700

or

2) sigma 85mm f1.4


ELSE ,

go for 50mm f1.4G

hAHA
If you're a bokeh lover, you should go for Nikon's 85mm f/1.4 even though the Sigma is not to bad.

QUOTE(hapeace @ Jul 6 2011, 05:38 PM)
Aaaaa.. Now i have to check whether im going to kaikoru or not.. If yes then i have to bring my 70200 lor..
Sorry, it should be whale watching in Kaikoura.

Yeah, if you have space, carry the 70-200. You self-driving round south island or just in Christchurch? I heard Christchurch a lot of ruins after the earthquake.

QUOTE(shdwkillr @ Jul 6 2011, 05:40 PM)
Thanks so much for your reply. Yup, I know 18-200mm is a nice range especially for landscape shooting (or I'm wrong?), but when it comes to close up shooting (especially when I do a lot of food shooting which I really like to do during trips), I find that the 18-200mm seems not to be able to focus well and I have to pull my camera some distance away from the shooting object and zoom in to get a close up shot. (Sorry I am still a beginner when it comes to photography, am constantly learning). That's why the motive of getting the new 50mm f1.8G comes into my mind. Any more advise?
The 18-200mm VR has a minimum focusing distance (MFD) of 0.5m. This is quite ok for food photography actually. From the difficulties you're describing, you are trying to get closer to the food subject? What details are you trying to capture? Have you tried to zoom to 200mm?

QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 6 2011, 05:42 PM)
50mm for food photography will be abit of a challenge sice the fov is quite narrow rclxub.gif
Actually, I just mounted my AF 50mm f/1.8D on the D300 and I find the FoV about right for one plate serving of food. The MFD is 0.46m which is the same as the new AF-S 50mm f/1.8G.

QUOTE(iloveOov @ Jul 6 2011, 06:19 PM)
no sharp at all.....
24-70mm f/2.8 not sharp? Instead of complaining here, why don't you send it to Nikon? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(xCM @ Jul 6 2011, 09:49 PM)
Hello peeps, how about AF 50mm f1.8 ? didn't see u guys mention it also  blink.gif  any comment on this particular lens from the experienced ones?
The older 50mm? It's the cheapest lens and reasonable quality if you stop the aperture down. Wide open, it's a little soft.

QUOTE(shdwkillr @ Jul 6 2011, 09:49 PM)
hmm, sorry guys, my lens is actually a 18-105mm kit instead of 18-200mm. (very big OPPPSSS). Hence, I would like to ask for me to take nice trip photos during my trip to New Zealand southern island, to take massive of family photos with great details of background, landscape photos, close-up shots of food and some interesting buildings, can anyone recommend me a good trip lens for such advantages to go along with my D90? Thanks in advanced.
Ok, the 18-105mm VR has a MFD or 0.45m. Just be mindful of that. Anything closer and the camera would not AF. I believe on a D90, that should be enough to take food photography, no?

If you want anything closer than that, you need macro lens or something like a Raynox adapter.

http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/dcr/dcr250/indexdcr250eg.htm

For landscape photography and family photos, the lens should be sufficient.

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 6 2011, 10:44 PM)
forget list some anime event XD
and i hate low light and dun like use flash XD
i know how hurt the flash bang into people's eyes  laugh.gif
DX bodies are getting better and better and the performance very close to FX bodies. The D7000 is a very good example. Should be fine if you use ISO 3200. Coupled with f/1.8, you should be able to shoot low light. At the correct distance, f/1.8 can give you quite a big DoF.

QUOTE(Isepunye @ Jul 7 2011, 02:20 AM)
CA problem? for me, no problemo haha
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CA is usually a problem when it's wide open aperture. Nt a problem once you stop it down.

Also with correct programs, you can actually eliminate CA during PP if required.

QUOTE(Devil_J @ Jul 7 2011, 08:42 AM)
Hi Guys,

I have a question regarding my Nikon D90 with 18-105 kit lens. I bought this package last year May and been using it since then.

Recently, I found out that there is some sort of back-focusing issue whenever I tried to take a potrait picture with an infrastructure behind as the background. Instead of focusing on that person, the camera focus on the background which is quite disappointing.

There also has been an increased used in Single- Point Focus whereby I choose my own focus point instead of auto-focus as the camera can focus on what i wanted.

Can you guys please advice me what's gone wrong with my scenarios above as they are getting annoying.

By the way, I have dropped the body together with the lens (together with the tripod) to the ground once but I think it's wasn't big impact, I am not sure.

Please do advice me on what should I do next as Nikon really produces the colour of the photos that i wanted.

Cheers
Can you post some examples? Perhaps we can access better.

Are you trying to focus very close to the subject or trying to focus the subject with a high contrast background? Focus is on AF-C (Continuous) or AF-S (Single)? Do you half-press the shutter button first to let the camera lock focus before fully pressing the shutter button?

Have a read on the article below from Nikon on some tips to achieve successful AF with your camera. Perhaps the article might explain why on some occasions when the camera AF did not work.

https://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/app/ans...etail/a_id/4585

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 7 2011, 10:23 AM)
In your case, I little doubt it's the camera or lens issue than the wrong technique used. Try use Single-Focus Point and use the one in the middle (the middle one is the most sensitive point among all available). Set your camera to AF-S (single) mode instead of AF-C (continuous). Focus on your subject (the person in example) by holding the shutter half-down. Once the subject is locked (the DOF being set), by keep holding the shutter half-down, recompose your frame and snap it when you got what you wanted. Please remember not to move the camera (yourself as well) front & back or tilting it while recomposing. The focus plane may changed and could result in OOF (Out Of Focus) case.
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QUOTE(shdwkillr @ Jul 7 2011, 10:59 AM)
I am not sure if 35mm lens is suitable as a trip lens, if it is, looking at the price of Nikkor 35mm 1.8g lens, my budget should be around there. I seriously need advise on a suitable travel lens that I can bring along to New Zealand to take nice family portrait photos and food and landscapes.
If you want to take nice family portrait photos, the AF-S 50mm f/1.8G is a nice one to have. Latest price is around RM 650 to 700. You can use it for food photography too and the f/1.8 aperture is especially useful if you shoot in low light restaurant.

That said, I'm not suggesting that this 50mm replace your 18-105mm kit lens. It's to complement your 18-105mm as that kit lens would be useful for general photography.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 7 2011, 11:06 AM)
Nikkor 35mm f/1.8G is about RM750. Taking scenery and family shots don't require bokeh. Well, again it depends on what you wanted to achieve, but IMHO it's wasted to take bokeh shot for travelling since you'll missing out the scenery details.

Your 18-105 kit lens should do just enough. Instead of getting a bokeh lens, why not get a flash instead? SB700 is about RM1,000.
I think the SB-700 would be required if the person wants to shoot family photos at night. For fill flash, the built-in D90 flash is fine.

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 7 2011, 11:38 AM)
Hello guys! I recently bought a D7000 recommended by many websites so im new to the DSLR world, my 1st DSLR actually..

I was wondering if anyone of you guys attend workshops? Because I realise Nikon has their own workshops but i couldnt find any review about it, the only reviews i found were the 1 from US which every says the workshop is worth every penny! So i was thinking if it was the same in Malaysia..

theres this website www.nikonians.com looks promising too! Hmmm..

Heres a shot I took with 50mm 1.4D

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Boys and their toys

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Yes, boys with their toys ! Congrats on the D7000 + 50mm f/1.4D.

With regards to the workshops by Nikon, they are free correct? I believe they are ok for beginners as they show you how to operate the camera and make you familiar with the controls. Don't expect anything more.

QUOTE(shdwkillr @ Jul 7 2011, 11:49 AM)
hmm.. initially I was thinking about the AF-S 50mm f/1.8G but due to it's narrowness, if I were to use it to take family portrait photos in New Zealand, it will not be able to cover much of the background scenery, right?
What's your definition of family portrait photos? If you're just expecting to take nice family photos with background scenery, then save your money and stick with just your kit lens. Buying a portraiture lens would be a waste of money at the moment if you don't know how to use and appreciate it.

QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 7 2011, 12:05 PM)
For me I will stick with zoom lens 18-105/18-200/16-85/17-55 lens for travel. 50mm is too narrow. I would rather go for 35mm... i don't think you need flash for travel use unless indoor like having dinner or clubbing at night..
Agreed. Even then, I think the 35mm f/1.8 is a waste since it would only be useful for low light situation. Unless of course if you feel the need to take family photos in a dimly lit restaurants.
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QUOTE(ifer @ Jul 7 2011, 12:33 PM)
yeah, if you die die must buy one lens, get the 50mm f1.8 G. heard that it's rm 650 only. got extra for a piece of filter somemore.
I would suggest to throw away the cheap filter. It will cause problems that will often result in awful bokeh rendering.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 7 2011, 12:34 PM)
Me likey that lens  drool.gif Small and portable. Sharp as well~! Recommended ^^, but maybe on crop sensor a bit tele for all rounder lens.
Yup, on DX bodies it's too tele for general use.

QUOTE(ifer @ Jul 7 2011, 12:40 PM)
but he seemed like die die also wanna get a new lens because he thinks his kit lens is not good enough.
but to be honest, save up the rm 800 to use it to print and frame those photographs you have taken from your trip and have them hung on the wall...
+1 Great suggestion.

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 7 2011, 12:47 PM)
Thanks alot!

unfortunately they are not free...

rm 50 for teaching you how to use the functions of the camera
under photo 1

and rm 180 for teaching you how to take pictures.. rm180

and you're force to take the 1st lesson before you can proceed to the 2nd.. sad.gif

i think the nikonians.com looks like a much better deal... maybe ill give it a go and let everyone know!
If you want to save the money, read the manual.

Else, join photography TTs that they conduct almost weekly at www.photomalaysia.com

A lot of sifus there who would not mind giving you a helping hand. Just don't get poisoned into buying more toys in the process. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 7 2011, 12:59 PM)
Ya got point but I won't buy now in this few months hehe. Wait and do some proper research see D7000 or opt my money to FF.

Wait the new model to pull the gap bigger hehe...

Dop thin is only apply on close subject? Actually d7000 is good enough but I liek wider? XD

Nah just talking crap. I haven't test d700 yet, last time pass by bts dun have d700 sad.gif

When got enough savings then I will go test test kau kau to know what I need hehe.
It is good to be cautious and play the waiting game but you need to realise that the new product will always be better and that new product will always be more expensive when it's new in the life cycle.

Are you willing to shell out RM 8k plus (maybe more) for a D700 replacement (expected to come next year?)?
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QUOTE(shdwkillr @ Jul 7 2011, 02:14 PM)
no la.. not that I die die wanna buy new lens la.. hmm.. so if say I do not buy any new lens maybe I can invest in a lens hood (ya, I don't have any hood now), maybe also a better tripod and probably a gps module? hmmmm......
The GPS module is useless unless you really need those geo tags. I would look into the lens hood for lens protection and get rid of the cheap filter in front of your lens.

Nice to have a tripod + steady tripod head but if you're traveling with family on vacation, they would not like you as you will slow things down.

QUOTE(alpha_company @ Jul 7 2011, 02:15 PM)
I don't have any tripod at the moment, i was just walking around the place. Landscape photogs will curse me for this but I used f/2.8 at maybe ISO 800 if I'm not mistaken..

It's around 7pm.
Why? I've shot at f/1.4 for night landscapes.


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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 7 2011, 02:24 PM)
Depend haha...but I really wan to see the pro and con first hehe...although I m not using camera to earn money but sometimes I did really face palm when dealing low light pasar malam shot when shooting d70s with wide open XD
D70s different lah... ISO 200 daytime also can see noise in the shadows.

Look at sample shots on other forums comparing the D700 with the D7000. You'd be very surprised how close they are.

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QUOTE(Devil_J @ Jul 7 2011, 04:58 PM)
Btw, I am using AF-A mode and yes, i do press the shutter button halfway before fully pressed.

Cheers
Like some others have mentioned, use AF-S and make sure the focusing bracket in the screen is on the subject when you half-press.

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 7 2011, 05:03 PM)
What iso 200 can see noise oldie!?!?! I thought iso 800 is safe range doh.gif
If you pixel peep at 100% on the computer screen lah. For normal posting or printing, you won't notice it.

Anyway, I found some of my old samples in 2006 at ISO 400 that was mostly SOOC.

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The following year, I was using the D2Hs which had much lesser noise even though they were shot at ISO 200. The D70 would not have given me clean shots.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 7 2011, 09:38 PM)
err... I think depend on how you handle the camera, DSLR is different with point and shoot. For each to use like point and shoot yet powerful like DSLR, people should look at mirrorless camera like Panasonic G, Olympus PEN, Sony NEX, etc. Try the GF2 or G2 or GH2, see how fast it focusing performance, touch screen lcd, touch focus, it's blazing fast.
PnS cameras do not seem to have focus related problems as they do not appear as problems in the first place. biggrin.gif Most of the time, their focus problems are masked as they have so much DoF due to their cropped sensors.

QUOTE(Devil_J @ Jul 7 2011, 09:12 PM)
ahh.. so it's really hard to take a nice front focus photo with what i wanted huh?
Yes it is. Sorry if this comes out quite blunt but people generally misunderstand that as long as you have a DSLR in your hand, you are expected to produce wonderful photos. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Devil_J @ Jul 7 2011, 09:12 PM)
BTW, can i know what is the different between 18-105 and 18-200 beside the zoom range? will the 18-200 focus better or anything else?
Technical differences between the two lenses;

AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

Both are consumer lenses at best. But then again, you must abolish the thought that equipment gets you the photos you want. To me, it's only 5% while 95% of the time, it's the person behind the camera that matters most.

QUOTE(kokokranc @ Jul 8 2011, 12:19 AM)
EXIF 1: On air
CODE
F-stop f/5.6
Exposure time 1/100 sec
ISO 400
Focal length 300mm
Max aperture 5
Metering mode Pattern
35mm focal length 450


EXIF 2: Lining up with runway
CODE
F-stop f/5.6
Exposure time 1/125 sec
ISO 400
Focal length 300mm
Max aperture 5
Metering mode Pattern
35mm focal length 450

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What time was these shot? Looks like very low light.

Anyway for the first one, I would have tried 1/400 or faster like others have mentioned. I would try to get away from the lens' wide open f/5.6 and stop down one stop to f/8. If you leave the ISO as AUTO ISO, the camera would leave you at ISO 3200 !

Shutter speed 1/400
Aperture f/8
ISO 3200

Second shot, the same thing also;

Shutter speed 1/500
Aperture f/8
ISO 3200

Those are some things I would do to go about the lens' limitations.

QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 8 2011, 12:28 AM)
You should use faster shutter speed and lower aperture example f/11.. the shutter speed should be at least 1/400
Don't need to stop down so much. I think a stop down from the lens' widest aperture (f/5.6 to f/8) should be fine. I would shoot 1/500 or even 1/640.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 8 2011, 02:00 AM)
Any Liverpool fan here bought the ticket from SC Internal Purchasing? They got special numbered seat for RM108 ticket + Special Hand Strap for Training Day + SC Limited Edition Liverpool Lanyard biggrin.gif
Not a Liverpool fan but interested to shoot them. Do you know how close the numbered seats are? Are those tickets only for training day or the match as well?
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 8 2011, 10:16 AM)
I'm not sure about this as I only entered once to Bkt. Jalil stadium and that also I sat within the ring inside for concert than the stands. The ticket is only for the match day itself, training day will be provided a different access tag which is free when you purchase the ticket. But if I'm not mistaken, training passes are limited and already given all out smile.gif
Received an SMS some time back from SC on the training pass but never gave it a thought that time. Oh well...

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 8 2011, 10:27 AM)
the RM108 numbered seats are in the yellow area which is at the bottom lvl, stadium has 3 lvls as can be seen.
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this is a rough view of what u would see from the back of the bottom lvl, taken using my handphone during the 2009 malaysia cup final tongue.gif
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so even with a 200mm lens ur not going to get much reach, better just to shoot the atmosphere in and around the stadium rather than the match itself.
Thanks for the detailed info. Much appreciated. As far as I know, the stadium is huge and unless you have sideline access, it's no fun shooting from the terraces.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 8 2011, 10:58 AM)
i'll bring along my 70-300 during training just to see how the reach is, then if useless i wont even bother bringing a 70-200 / 80-200...just my canon s90 tongue.gif
Use TC with your 70-200 / 80-200?

If I was going, I would think about the 300mm f/4 with a 1.4x TC. A 1.7x TC would be stretching it.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 8 2011, 11:45 AM)
i would guess 70-200 + 2x tc III would be as good as the 300 + 1.4, but of cos more expensive also.
I guess the 70-200 + 2x TCEIII would work a treat too.

During the last F1, I used 300mm f/4 with 2x TCEIII. Quality not too bad lah. Sometimes a hit, sometimes a miss but that all because it made the AF slower on the D700.

In retrospec, I also used 300mm f/4 with 1.7x TC and that yielded better results in terms of nailing focus.

I did not try the 2x TCEIII with my 80-200 as it was not enough reach from K1 grandstand.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 8 2011, 11:45 AM)
cheapest 300 f/4 brand new is rm3.9k grey set...and would still need heavy cropping from the stands...while sideline access is still a dream...
The 2x TCEIII also does not come cheap. I got mine for RM 1.7k. sweat.gif

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 8 2011, 11:45 AM)
think i'll just go and snipe girls in LFC jerseys tongue.gif
Please don't forget to share. Sharing is caring. laugh.gif

QUOTE(david9 @ Jul 8 2011, 12:50 PM)
Is it really necessary to get a flash such as Nikon SB600 or getting a battery grip would be better or get another lens Tamron AF 17-50mm F2.8 XR Di IIĀ  ?
What do you want to achieve? Shooting a wedding?

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 8 2011, 02:07 PM)
i only tried the 300mm f/4 AF-S once...focus speed reminds me of the 80-200 AF-D two touch.
so not really slow, but i guess with the TC its going to slow it down alot.
Yeah, the 300mm f/4's AF-S motor is not the best out there. I guess this was because it was one of the first lenses to use AF-S motor and that was in 2000 (11 years ago !). The thing I liked about the AF-S treatment is that after focus lock, you can manually override and fine tune the focus by turning the focus ring if required.

Anyway, one thing that I've always been amazed is the quality that I get out of it. Nothing short of fantastic.

I bought it mainly for outdoor sports (not so much indoor). The other reason I bought it was for it's pseudo-macro abilities. Being able to focus down to 1.45m is quite astonishing at 300mm. I've used a 500D diopter on the front lens and got quite good macros.

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QUOTE(david9 @ Jul 8 2011, 02:09 PM)
I have no idea tongue.gif

Yea , wedding , event , photoshoot portfolio for solo , traveling , food

Also , portrait shooter and bokeh lover here .

So far I ady owned 35f1.8 , 50f1.8 and 105 kit lens .
Wah... Everything also want?

There's no one lens that can excel at everything but the 17-55mm f/2.8 does fit the bill to cover most of what you want to do.

It does potrait ok plus sharp and fast focusing too but not at the bokeh that the 85mm f/1.4 can do.
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 8 2011, 10:56 PM)
Seriously though, the lousy AF performance of the VC version on my 550D sucks so badly that I immediately SOLD it the next day of purchase.

Freaking slow to focus, much worse than kit lens, in fact probably 2x slower and not to mention the noisy VC motor. To top it off, more expensive, heavier, bigger lens filter thread= means more $$$, and a VC motor which had a history of having failures, etc.

I'd definitely NOT recommend it for Action Photography
You get what you pay for. In terms of focusing speed, Tamron has always been known to be slow. Sigma is faster amongst 3rd party brands. But in terms of quality, Tamron makes quite good glasses.

QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 8 2011, 10:52 PM)
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guys and girls, where to buy the rubber thingy ah ?
can peel off to mount mb-d10 that rubber

seems like unable to find
If you're in KL/PJ, you can head to Nikon HQ in PJ.

Else, try online?

QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 8 2011, 11:06 PM)
Pro shooters like HeartPatrick shoots with a Tamron 17-50 non VC what? So who are we to complain so much?
Subject and composition matters. Besides he does not shoot fast action. More landscape and models that have the time to pose for him.

QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 8 2011, 11:47 PM)
One more reason not to consider the Nikkor 17-55 is because it lacks VR smile.gif
Sorry but while your other postings are spot one, this one I think that's the most silly reason. doh.gif

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 9 2011, 01:18 AM)
Slipped off from your MB-D10 slot is it?
That rubber piece is actually part of the D700/D300/D300s. Not part of the MB-D10 battery grip.

QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 9 2011, 01:44 AM)
I really duno man, if put to MB-D10 i will put it firmly also  sad.gif
i worry if the bottom part kena water the camera will go sot sot, will it ?
thats why need the rubber thingy to complete weather seal
Wah, where do you shoot with your camera? You need everything weather sealed meh? hmm.gif

Now that you mentioned, I only realised that I have not put mine one since everytime swap the battery grip on and off.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 9 2011, 03:32 AM)
I can't be sure about this, but by any chance NON-VR + PROPER TECHNIQUE VS VR + PROPER TECHNIQUE will have the chance of non-vr being sharper than the latter?
At high shutter speeds, yes. Low shutter speeds, no. Like I mentioned previously, most people switch of VR / IS to get sharp shots when shooting sports. You only get the benefit of VR /IS when shutter speed is very low.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 9 2011, 12:09 PM)
Just to remind you that 85 f/1.4 don't have VR as well. With big aperture, VR can be neglected.
Because it does not have VR, we should junk the 85mm f/1.4. rclxub.gif

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 9 2011, 12:09 PM)
Started with 18-105. Now 17-55.
You got your Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8 already? rclxms.gif

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 9 2011, 12:34 PM)
Sometimes the VR do help tongue.gif. 85mm -> 1/85 at least for rule of thumb. I can handle 1/60s consistently, but anything below that is taking risk :S.
We need to remind ourselves that not everybody on FX body. tongue.gif

On DX bodies, you need at least about 1/125. If you're a beginner, trying something faster like 1/160 or 1/200.

As a tip, you can try and set minimum shutter speed in the camera's Auto ISO button that tells the camera to jump to a higher ISO when the minimum shutter speed is not met.

QUOTE(jauzi90 @ Jul 9 2011, 12:50 PM)
I bought ND Variable filter before, iLens.. try to get some smooth water flow (beach) during the day.. but I can't get a nice shoot.. Minimum will be ND8,Maximum will be ND400.. This lens ND400 look like a cpl at my viewfinder.. I have no idea about ND, please correct me if I wrong.. biggrin.gif

When I set up those filter 2nd step before maximum, and use a normal setting, I will get some polarised x-shaped.. is it normal?

1) Got any suggestion for ND Variable filter?
2) Instead of Variable ND, any suggestion for daylight non-variable ND?
Sorry but I don't get what is variable ND. Do you mean graduated ND?

Graduated ND is for sunrise / sunset where the sky part is bright and you want to make that part darker to balance out the landscape.

ND filters are like sunglasses where it blocks excess light. Circular Polariser (CPL) is used mainly during daytime but you don't have to use CPL all the time. Makes the skies bluer and reduces reflection / glare by polarising the light.

QUOTE(uchan @ Jul 9 2011, 01:34 PM)
Dear Nikon Fellows!

Thanks for reading.

Im looking for Nikon D700 (http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1950513)..

Maybe someone here can advise me where to get one?

Million thanks!
Where are you located?

Have you tried Foto Selangor or J-One?

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 9 2011, 01:53 PM)
What you mean 'that great'? It is possible to handheld it at 1/8s as well.

But oh well, not like you can shoot moving objects at that shutter speed anyways tongue.gif still need big aperture for such condition.
Yes, you almost always need to fallback on sufficient shutter speed to freeze the subject movement unless purposely done for artistic purposes.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 9 2011, 02:38 PM)
If you're talking about teleconvertors, then yes that you will be taken into account as optically the focal length is changed. For DX versus FX, the only differences is FX up to the very edge where else DX only in the middle of the frame due to smaller sensor size.
I agree with what you said above about focal length but if you look into the smaller and more dense DX area, the errors will also be enlarged. A micro shake would be more pronounced when you view a picture taken from a DX body. The effect of viewing 100% on screen with DX body is equivalent to viewing 150% on FX.

The rule of thumb to take the crop factor in is not because the focal length automatically extends by 1.5x but more so because with a DX body, you are at a higher magnification and you would be more prone to errors and hence a guide to take into account the crop factor is a prudent rule of thumb.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 9 2011, 02:38 PM)
Add on regarding the rubber thingy, when you fit the MB-D10 on your D300/D300s/D700, the rubber piece will be removed and slotted on the MB-D10, thought it might have dropped off when he detached the grip.
Thanks for the tip. I actually did not realise that the cavity in the MB-D10 is to put the rubber piece. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 9 2011, 04:10 PM)
I worried later I put in a wet table and it kena water
Will it ? I try to avoid.
Putting on wet table is asking for it, yes? biggrin.gif You need a lot of water on the table and long enough that the water can seep in.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 9 2011, 07:27 PM)
Yeah. It's wayyy heavier than the kit lens, but with more solid handheld. Now I'll be carrying D7000 + BG + 17-55 + SB-900 weight for the entire day of shooting! laugh.gif
Comparing body and lens, that's not heavy. D700 + 14-24mm f/2.8 is more heavy ! sweat.gif

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 9 2011, 07:27 PM)
Yupz. Just got it recently and now gotta make myself familiarize shooting with it smile.gif
Great. How are you liking it? Any regrets?

QUOTE(BenSow @ Jul 9 2011, 07:36 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLlJl7TbXTA
anyone tried this? quite interesting  hmm.gif
Neat trick. Thanks for sharing.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 9 2011, 07:40 PM)
On contrarily of what you're sharing, you feel that 1.5x crop factor is not necessary to be included in Rule of Thumb for DX or crop-sensor body?

Hmm... it does make sense, isn't? 50mm on FX will be 50mm while 50mm on DX will be 75mm. It takes 75mm on FX to produce the equivalent photo of 50mm on DX and vice versa. Still thinking of the logic of this...
I agree with what celciuz mentioned about DX is just a cropped part of the FX sensor and still coming from the same origin.

For the example you gave, 50mm is still 50mm on FX as well as on DX. Just the perspective on the DX is like 75mm on FX.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 9 2011, 08:30 PM)
Con? At the expense of greater weight and size?
17-55 weighs 760gm, adding in vr will probably add on almost another 300gm...ie. Getting pretty close to 80-200 weight territory.
The weight will be more like the 14-24mm f/2.8 (with no VR tongue.gif )

The 80-200mm f/2.8 is more like 1.3 kg already.

QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 9 2011, 09:32 PM)
I guess, short focal length won't need VR so much..
I mean, according to the Rule Of Thumb..
That's right. But some will argue why Nikon came out with the 16-35mm f/4 VR... rclxub.gif

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 9 2011, 10:18 PM)
well, lets put it another way.
for short focal lengths, if u want to shoot landscape seriously u will have a tripod.
if u want to shoot concerts, dances etc, ur shutter speed will be high enough already.
plus if u cant handhold short focal length at say 1/30, means technique still needs working on.
i've always said VR shouldnt be a substitute for bad technique, but enhances ur shooting.
VR imo only useful for long lenses especially when shooting low light concerts / night stadium etc.
so say using 300mm, instead of being limited to 1/300s without VR, with VR can go down to 1/125, 1/160s which is still enough to capture avg movement, and gain at least an extra stop of ISO.
Spot on. smile.gif

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 9 2011, 10:49 PM)
Okay, here's the photo. Taken with D700 and D90 with different settings as per in the image. All images taken from the same distance, which explains why on the D90 image looks bigger. Images are zoomed to 100% then print screen and paste on mspaint.

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I uploaded the whole file to my flickr, file size is 17mb so be patient. Link to the full size, http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6030/591881...13c7522bc_o.png
Thanks for the effort to show. But doing some sort of a lab test to show that you can shoot at 1/8 second on DX and FX and yield the same results is very subjective. You need a more random test to shoot both cameras side by side and statistically, you fill find that your D90 shots would have lower yield due to "more" camera shake.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 9 2011, 10:55 PM)
If blur due to handshake, does the distance matter? I mean if nearer it would be even more obvious if there's any shake.
Of course... While the angle of deflection is the same, the amplitude of shake is different for subjects shot at 5m and 50m.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 9 2011, 11:04 PM)
If shoot at something far away, I wonder how to determine the focus -.-... let's see when I'm free enough I will do it.
Why would it be difficult to determine focus? Can't you zoom to check?

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 10 2011, 03:24 AM)
SOS:
http://photorumors.com/2011/07/07/bringing...e-kills-pixels/

Below is a very interesting video from Kodak describing the way film and digital cameras capture light. Around the 8:00 min mark you can hear a thought-provoking statement that when you bring your camera on a plane over 20,000 feet, the gamma rays can actually fry some of the pixels on the sensor. This is why all major manufacturers are shipping cameras by sea and this is considered an industry secret because of the fear of lawsuits.

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Thanks for the info. Will view the video later. Anyway, how do you explain Nikon DSLR cameras in space used by NASA? thumbup.gif

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