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post May 16 2011, 02:48 PM, updated 15y ago

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So guys, which one you choose?

I saw people boiling water just need less than 10 second for induction cooker. Very fast.

Gas take very long like 10 minutes. But gas got subsidy yo (inb4 subsidy will be gone soon).

I wonder if electricity usage vs gas usage, which one is more expensive.
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post May 16 2011, 02:51 PM

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induction cooker how manny watt? in mresia, I watt how much?


do the math la. then compare. so malas.

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post May 16 2011, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Nama saya Amad @ May 16 2011, 02:51 PM)
induction cooker how manny watt? in mresia, I watt how much?
do the math la. then compare. so malas.
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Been using Induction cooker since years ago...Just imagine you spent RM27 every mth or two for gas but using Electricty...b4 using & after is almost negligible..can't really feel it..My bill b4 & after always ~ RM80-RM120..

So go for induction.
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Induction cooker is far more dangerous than gas cooker. Oh wait, both also dangerous. TS, just use charcoal and fire, far more safer and save gas n electricity.
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QUOTE(stimix @ May 16 2011, 02:52 PM)
Been using Induction cooker since years ago...Just imagine you spent RM27 every mth or two for gas but using Electricty...b4 using & after is almost negligible..can't really feel it..My bill b4 & after always ~ RM80-RM120..

So go for induction.
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oh, thanks bro. I guess will use all induction cooker.

Some more I love the speed yo. Its like quad core (induction) vs atom (gas).
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 02:53 PM)
Induction cooker is far more dangerous than gas cooker. Oh wait, both also dangerous. TS, just use charcoal and fire, far more safer and save gas n electricity.
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induction no fire. How to be dangerous? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 02:54 PM)
induction no fire. How to be dangerous?  icon_question.gif
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Induction cooker uses electricity, the inside parts are made of coils and electronic parts. There have been many cases fire explosion form induction cooker. I use to work in Philips before, a lot of induction cooker comes for repair, some even burned, some exploded. Just my 2 cents. Use on ur own risk. Those induction cooker is just crap as i know whats the contains. Avoid it, just use gas. Thats more safer.

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i use induction for dry kitchen

wet kitchen use gas
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QUOTE(w.j0102 @ May 16 2011, 02:54 PM)

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I think all induction is like that.
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 02:53 PM)
Induction cooker is far more dangerous than gas cooker. Oh wait, both also dangerous. TS, just use charcoal and fire, far more safer and save gas n electricity.
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There is no heat source if you don't put cooking pot on it and some induction cooker will turn off automatically when it sense that the cooking pot is drying (measuring electrical load on the coil). I'd been using induction cooker for over 4 years and I am glad to get rid of gas cooker. It is more energy efficient, you cook the food much quicker and yes the amount of money you're using is less than the gas cooker. Buy the high quality and more expensive unit, not the cheap ones that cost about RM 100+ = lower quality. The one I have cost RM 4000+ when I bought it.

Look at this (the uncooked part is on the surface of the induction cooker):
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I wonder if infra cooker is best of both world or not. Kekeke
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According to HowStuffWorks.com
Induction cooker is the most efficient cooker (interms of energy in and output)

Therefore I think induction is better in the long run.

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if u r wearing stell bracelet / jewellery on ur hands
and ur hands go near the induction cooker
prepare to be cooked !
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 03:00 PM)
I wonder if infra cooker is best of both world or not. Kekeke
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Pakai tong gas jer lah bro, lagi selamat. Jarang ader kes tong gas meletup kat rumah, lain lah kalau u letak kuali masak atas tong gas dan masak atas tong gas laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 02:56 PM)
Induction cooker uses electricity, the inside parts are made of coils and electronic parts. There have been many cases fire explosion form induction cooker. I use to work in Philips before, a lot of induction cooker comes for repair, some even burned, some exploded. Just my 2 cents. Use on ur own risk. Those induction cooker is just crap as i know whats the contains. Avoid it, just use gas. Thats more safer.
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I think u mistaken heater cooker as induction cooker

heater cooker use high resistance coils as heat element
induction cooker use alternating magnetic flux
how the hell magnet can cause fire lah....


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Well, It will burnt esp those cheap chinamade wan..I hv been using 3 Induction cookers so far for years...Yes the 1st 2 all chinamaded Elba & Pensonic brands din last long ~ 1 yr each..Yes burnt BUT not explode-lah..Just some electric nurining inside & gone..just like u experience on other Electrical product like TV/ Radio or even rice cooker...just abit of electric burning smell & thereafter kaput..Where got explosion wan..Dun frighten ppl-lah..

Anyway, my latest been wth me since ~ 2009...Probably also Chinamade but Jusco select brand (Haha..another cheapo)..not bad..no burnt since 2009..Nxt probably wanna an electroluc brand..
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:02 PM)
Pakai tong gas jer lah bro, lagi selamat. Jarang ader kes tong gas meletup kat rumah, lain lah kalau u letak kuali masak atas tong gas dan masak atas tong gas  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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tong gas kena tukar tiap-tiap bulan. I tak suka ler...
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http://theinductionsite.com/proandcon.shtml

Check it out for more info before u purchase smile.gif
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QUOTE(stimix @ May 16 2011, 03:04 PM)
Well, It will burnt esp those cheap chinamade wan..I hv been using 3 Induction cookers so far for years...Yes the 1st 2 all chinamaded Elba & Pensonic brands din last long ~ 1 yr each..Yes burnt BUT not explode-lah..Just some electric nurining inside & gone..just like u experience on other Electrical product like TV/ Radio or even rice cooker...just abit of electric burning smell & thereafter kaput..Where got explosion wan..Dun frighten ppl-lah..

Anyway, my latest been wth me since ~ 2009...Probably also Chinamade but Jusco select brand (Haha..another cheapo)..not bad..no burnt since 2009..Nxt probably wanna an electroluc brand..
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branded one like kitchmate is like RM2k. Crazy. i rather buy china made.
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I heard induction cooker cost your electric a lot .

Btw charcoal still cooks the best food.
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If u all still insist to buy induction cooker, i would not suggest Philips as its a piece of crap. Try Elba or some premium brands.
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:05 PM)
http://theinductionsite.com/proandcon.shtml

Check it out for more info before u purchase smile.gif
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not sure if you're related to any gas cooker industry sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ghoss @ May 16 2011, 03:07 PM)
I heard induction cooker cost your electric a lot .

Btw charcoal still cooks the best food.
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Read back stimix reply. Its basically did not use any electric (its like too little and can be ignore).

QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:07 PM)
If u all still insist to buy induction cooker, i would not suggest Philips as its a piece of crap. Try Elba or some premium brands.
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ok bro. Will get more premium brand. But definitely not kitchmate or bosch.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 03:08 PM)
Read back stimix reply. Its basically did not use any electric (its like too little and can be ignore).
ok bro. Will get more premium brand. But definitely not kitchmate or bosch.
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My friend told me that his bills spiked up during the usage .... hmm.gif

Maybe heavy usage. ?
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 02:56 PM)
Induction cooker uses electricity, the inside parts are made of coils and electronic parts. There have been many cases fire explosion form induction cooker. I use to work in Philips before, a lot of induction cooker comes for repair, some even burned, some exploded. Just my 2 cents. Use on ur own risk. Those induction cooker is just crap as i know whats the contains. Avoid it, just use gas. Thats more safer.
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This is the one you're referring to:
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Of course lah, this is cheap low quality unit.

It will pay for itself after a few years (saving in amount of money you spend on gas and wasted time cooking on gas (slow heating = longer cooking time, cleaning of gas stove, stress caused by waiting for delivery of gas tank, money spent on aerosol insecticide to get rid of cockroach which loves the gas cooker, etc).

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This is how an induction cooker looks like inside. Basically its just a coil with 2 boards inside. The coil is the culprit for burning usually. The coil will be heated up with 240V, similar like an iron, toaster, heater etc. The coil will heat up and heat the glass panel on top and the glass panel will boil the pan. It heats up pretty fast because of the electricity that flows throughout the coil and passes thru the glass panel. Theres a zener diode on top of the coil. The function of the diode is to detect the pan on top of the glass. With induction cooker, u cant use any normal pots, it has to be stainless steel pot only. If u use any other pot, the zener diode wont detect it and the induction cooker wont work either. Thats the knowledge i know about induction cooker smile.gif
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Those Electrolux & Phillips nowadays getting cheaper..Eletrollux ~ RM399 at Harvey norman sumore got 20% discount weeks ago..Phillips ~ RM290...Chinamade already ~ RM180 Better get those repytabl;e wan to avoid changing every year lor..I changed for the 3rd time liao..Not dangerous but just burnt.
QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 03:06 PM)
branded one like kitchmate is like RM2k. Crazy. i rather buy china made.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 03:15 PM)
This is the one you're referring to:
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Of course lah, this is cheap low quality unit.

It will pay for itself after a few years (saving in amount of money you spend on gas and wasted time cooking on gas (slow heating = longer cooking time, cleaning of gas stove, stress caused by waiting for delivery of gas tank, money spent on aerosol insecticide to get rid of cockroach which loves the gas cooker, etc).
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Philip tak boleh pakai ??

Almost wanted to buy that model cos got 2 years warranty sweat.gif sweat.gif

Cheap one also around 200+
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Negligible-lah as I posted earlier...Been using for years...Don't really feel any increase.. rclxms.gif
QUOTE(ghoss @ May 16 2011, 03:07 PM)
I heard induction cooker cost your electric a lot .

Btw charcoal still cooks the best food.
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Electrolux, Elba, Zanussi are premium brands, quite safe and long lasting.
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Infra red better than induction because you can use more variety of cooking pots.
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:15 PM)
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This is how an induction cooker looks like inside. Basically its just a coil with 2 boards inside. The coil is the culprit for burning usually. The coil will be heated up with 240V, similar like an iron, toaster, heater etc. The coil will heat up and heat the glass panel on top and the glass panel will boil the pan. It heats up pretty fast because of the electricity that flows throughout the coil and passes thru the glass panel. Theres a zener diode on top of the coil. The function of the diode is to detect the pan on top of the glass. With induction cooker, u cant use any normal pots, it has to be stainless steel pot only. If u use any other pot, the zener diode wont detect it and the induction cooker wont work either. Thats the knowledge i know about induction cooker smile.gif
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I don't think induction cooker will heat up the coil. You're mistaken infrared cooker and induction cooker?

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ May 16 2011, 03:19 PM)
Infra red better than induction because you can use more variety of cooking pots.
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infrar slower than induction. Better use induction I think.
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As I know you need to clear some space for the bottom to let air flow through right ?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 03:19 PM)
I don't think induction cooker will heat up the coil. You're mistaken infrared cooker and induction cooker?
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The heat comes from the coil lah bro smile.gif The coil is which heats up and heats up the glass panel. Ive been repairing the same shitty induction cooker for so long in Philips last time doh.gif There i knew that its a shit product, i mean the brand. Other brands ive heard less complaints.
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QUOTE(ghoss @ May 16 2011, 03:21 PM)
As I know you need to clear some space for the bottom to let air flow through right ?
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Really?

i tot it use electromagnetic wave. No heat generated?
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:22 PM)
The heat comes from the coil lah bro smile.gif The coil is which heats up and heats up the glass panel. Ive been repairing the same shitty induction cooker for so long in Philips last time  doh.gif There i knew that its a shit product, i mean the brand. Other brands ive heard less complaints.
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cannot be gua. How can my understanding of induction cooker can be so wrong????
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:22 PM)
The heat comes from the coil lah bro smile.gif The coil is which heats up and heats up the glass panel. Ive been repairing the same shitty induction cooker for so long in Philips last time  doh.gif There i knew that its a shit product, i mean the brand. Other brands ive heard less complaints.
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for induction cooker, the glass panel is cool to touch. I cannot brain wat u toking about.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 03:22 PM)
Really?

i tot it use electromagnetic wave. No heat generated?
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After cooking, try putting ur hand on top of the glass panel tongue.gif N also at the bottom, ull see how cold it is brows.gif brows.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 03:20 PM)
infrar slower than induction. Better use induction I think.
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:24 PM)
After cooking, try putting ur hand on top of the glass panel tongue.gif N also at the bottom, ull see how cold it is  brows.gif  brows.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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that's because the pot transfer heat to glass.

I cannot brain!!!!
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 03:22 PM)
Really?

i tot it use electromagnetic wave. No heat generated?
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Got ar ....Last time I checked that philips model , I turn below and see that's a fan underneath it and sign to saying you need to let air through.
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:24 PM)
After cooking, try putting ur hand on top of the glass panel tongue.gif N also at the bottom, ull see how cold it is  brows.gif  brows.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Read this bro:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooker

I currently cannot brain what you talking. How come I'm so wrong?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 03:24 PM)
for induction cooker, the glass panel is cool to touch. I cannot brain wat u toking about.
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Maybe philips design is diff lols

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QUOTE(ghoss @ May 16 2011, 03:26 PM)
Got ar ....Last time I checked that philips model , I turn below and see that's a fan underneath it and sign to saying you need to let air through.
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probably the pot heated up and the heat goes to the glass.. LOL
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:15 PM)
This is how an induction cooker looks like inside. Basically its just a coil with 2 boards inside. The coil is the culprit for burning usually. The coil will be heated up with 240V, similar like an iron, toaster, heater etc. The coil will heat up and heat the glass panel on top and the glass panel will boil the pan. It heats up pretty fast because of the electricity that flows throughout the coil and passes thru the glass panel. Theres a zener diode on top of the coil. The function of the diode is to detect the pan on top of the glass. With induction cooker, u cant use any normal pots, it has to be stainless steel pot only. If u use any other pot, the zener diode wont detect it and the induction cooker wont work either. Thats the knowledge i know about induction cooker smile.gif
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You're so wrong!!! The coil doesn't heat up. The AC current in the coil cause high frequency changing magnetic field in the cookware and this changing magnetic field created heat in the cookware itself. Try sitting on an induction cooker (if you are a guy) and turn it on, believe me your balls will still be uncooked like part of this egg:

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You don't really know how it works. You just know how to repair them.

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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:26 PM)
Aisey bro, ive repaired more than 150 induction cookers. I know how they work exactly smile.gif Its heat generated from the coils then to the glass panels. After cooking, the glass panel and the unit will be freaking hot.
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Bro, the heat is unwanted one. The real cooking come from induction. Not the heat generated. LOL...



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An induction cooker transfers electrical energy by induction from a coil of wire into a pot made of material which must be electrically conductive and ferromagnetic. The heat generated is analogous to the unwanted heat dissipated in an electric transformer; most of the heat is due to resistive heating like a transformer's copper losses and eddy currents and the rest is analogous to a transformer's other iron losses.
A coil of wire is mounted under the cooking surface, and a large alternating current is passed through it. The current creates a changing magnetic field. When an electrically conductive pot is brought close to the cooking surface, the magnetic field induces an electrical current, called an "eddy current", in the pot. The eddy current, flowing through the electrical resistance, causes electrical power to be dissipated as heat; the pot gets hot and heats its contents by heat conduction.
The cooking surface is made of a material which is a poor heat conductor, so only minimal heat is transferred from the pot to the cooking surface (and thus wasted). In normal operation the cooking surface stays cool enough to touch without injury after the cooking vessel is removed.
Some energy will be dissipated wastefully by the current flowing through the resistance of the coil; wasted energy is minimised by the geometry of the design and by the coil having low resistance. The cooking vessel is typically made from stainless steel or iron, which is much less conductive. The pot is also ferromagnetic. Since the increased magnetic permeability of the material decreases the skin depth, the resistance will be further increased. The copper coil, on the other hand, is made from wire known as litz wire, which is a bundle of many tiny wires in parallel. The coil has many turns, while the bottom of the pot effectively forms a single shorted turn. This forms a transformer that steps down the voltage and steps up the current. The resistance of the pot, as viewed from the primary coil, appears larger. That, in turn, means that most of the energy becomes heat in the high-resistance steel, while the driving coil stays cool.
The reasons iron or steel cookware work on an induction cooker but aluminium or copper do not is because of the materials' permeability and resistivity.[8] Aluminium or copper cookware is more conductive and the skin depth in these materials is larger since they are nonmagnetic. Not only do these materials have lower resistivity than steel, the current flows in a thicker layer in the metal and so encounters less resistance and produces less heat. The induction cooker will not work efficiently with such pots. With iron or steel cookware, some heat is also generated due to the ferromagnetic material's magnetic hysteresis. This is a smaller component of the total heat generated.[9] The differences in hysteresis losses are a much smaller effect.
The heat that can be produced in a pot is a function of the surface resistance. A higher surface resistance produces more heat for similar currents. This is a "figure of merit" that can be used to rank the suitability of a material for induction heating. The surface resistance in a thick metal conductor is proportional to the resistivity divided by the skin depth. Where the thickness is less than the skin depth, the actual thickness can be used to calculate surface resistance.[8] Some common materials are listed in this table.

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i somehow feel that using gas to cook much more tastier? =p mayb psychological
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 03:27 PM)
You're so wrong!!! The coil doesn't heat up. The AC current in the coil cause high frequency changing magnetic field in the cookware and this changing magnetic field created heat in the cookware itself. Try sitting on an induction cooker (if you are a guy) and turn it on, believe me your balls will still be uncooked like part of this egg:

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Hahahaha, the magnetic part yes i agree. That fires up the pot to get heated. But the glass will still be hot after cooking.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 03:27 PM)
You're so wrong!!! The coil doesn't heat up. The AC current in the coil cause high frequency changing magnetic field in the cookware and this changing magnetic field created heat in the cookware itself. Try sitting on an induction cooker (if you are a guy) and turn it on, believe me your balls will still be uncooked like part of this egg:

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Although he want to give us info, but the info is WRONG!!!


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Somehow, i would say cooking using charcoal provides the best taste to the food ure cooking. Nothing beats it. Just go classic cooking larrrr tongue.gif

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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 03:29 PM)
Hahahaha, the magnetic part yes i agree. That fires up the pot to get heated. But the glass will still be hot after cooking.
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You are misleading us here adui.

The heat is due to the operation of the induction. Nothing to do with heating up the pot above it. sweat.gif
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Somehow, i would say cooking using charcoal provides the best taste to the food ure cooking. Nothing beats it. Just go classic cooking larrrr tongue.gif
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Somehow, i would say cooking using charcoal provides the best taste to the food ure cooking. Nothing beats it. Just go classic cooking larrrr tongue.gif
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aiya, you dun scare people la. Induction is safe la adui.
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Hehehehe U wan tasty food or fast cooking? tongue.gif
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Yes, the pot actually heated up the glass panel. I still can hold the side of the glass panel & not really hot. The heat only the area around the still pot.

One bad trade-off of using Induction- You can't use any other not-steel wok!!..It must be steel and nowadays lesser steel wok except those Hi-end showing for induction cooker...I will bring a magnet to shop for new pot haha blush.gif
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probably the pot heated up and the heat goes to the glass.. LOL
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From my experience, I find gas a lot easier to control in terms of heat intensity

Unless my induction cooker is crap. If it is, can recommend which brand and model?
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Either you don't know how to use the induction cooker or you bough the cheap version. Many chefs also use induction cooker lah ( I saw many times on TV)... It's the skill of the person using the equipment, not the equipment's fault. I've cooked many things using induction cooker: lamb chop, steaks, grilled fish, chicken kirahi, lamb kirahi, ayam masak merah, kari kepala salmon, nasi daging, nasi ayam, nasi goreng udang, ikan siakap stim, soups, etc. For simple cooking for lunch or dinner usually it took me less than 30 minutes from chopping to finish cooking. I cook rice in microwave oven, less than 15 minutes... clean, quick and no burnt crust.

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i'm using induction cooker bought rm200 (forgot what brand :-/)

i cook almost everyday using induction cooker. and my electric bill

did not even reach rm 30 : D.

the device consume power according to the temperature. the higher the temp the higher the power needed. but if the heat able to reach the target temperate quickly then the electrical consumption wont go high.

But induction cooker just for cooking normal cooking that required medium
cooking period. If you are cooking dodol then the bill will be sky high biggrin.gif.



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Misconception about induction cooker can be seen in this thread.

That's why people still use gas cooker. LOL.
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indcution can use round bottom wok or not?
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 03:42 PM)
Either you don't know how to use the induction cooker or you bough the cheap version. Many chefs also use induction cooker lah ( I saw many times on TV)... It's the skill of the person using the equipment, not the equipment's fault. I've cooked many things using induction cooker: lamb chop, steaks, grilled fish, chicken kirahi, lamb kirahi, ayam masak merah, kari kepala salmon, nasi daging, nasi ayam, nasi goreng udang, ikan siakap stim, soups, etc. For simple cooking for lunch or dinner usually it took me less than 30 minutes from chopping to finish cooking. I cook rice in microwave oven, less than 15 minutes... clean, quick and no burnt crust.
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ May 16 2011, 03:48 PM)
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Only flat bottom. Cannot use wok to fry rice biggrin.gif
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Induction replacement parts expensive.
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Apa brand and modal? The one i have mesti chepo wan because every setting seem to have the same result.
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Which model you're using? I used a smaller Kenwood induction cooker before I bought the larger Vigico unit, cost nearly RM 3800 total at the time because at the same time I also bought cookwares for the induction cooker.
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ May 16 2011, 03:48 PM)
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 03:57 PM)
Which model you're using? I used a smaller Kenwood induction cooker before I bought the larger Vigico unit, cost nearly RM 3800 total at the time because at the same time I also bought cookwares for the induction cooker.
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Some cheap china brand I guess...can't even read the name >_<

Kenwood, Vigico...I'll keep those in mind.
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ May 16 2011, 03:48 PM)
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But its so expensive.

Anyway, if I goreng nasi, I also use flat pan.
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It ruined my porridge a few times, not quite happy Lol
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QUOTE(LaFemmeNikkita @ May 16 2011, 04:02 PM)
that is true. but it is so easy to clean. because the heat takes sometimes to go down and up. so cannot get quick change in heat.
That's why I have both. can still cook nasi pattaya. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ May 16 2011, 04:01 PM)
Some cheap china brand I guess...can't even read the name >_<

Kenwood, Vigico...I'll keep those in mind.
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The Kenwood unit is good even though its more expensive (RM 400+) than other single hob type induction cooker. I gave it to my brother and he is still using it after 5 years. That's how durable it is. The Vigico unit is just superb... I can go home during lunchtime (only 5 minute drive) and cook a meal because it heats up so fast. However, if your cooking experience is mostly using gas cooker... you'd be suprised how fast you can prepare meals for 4 persons using induction cooker. Normally, I would cook rice using microwave oven (15 minutes) and at the same time cook the main dish (chicken, lamb or fish) about 15-20 minutes. And cook either soup, tomyam or stir fry vegies using the other hob. So normally it's just half an hour of chopping and cooking.

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 04:08 PM)
The Kenwood unit is good even though its more expensive (RM 400+) than other single hob type induction cooker. I gave it to my brother and he is still using it after 5 years. That's how durable it is. The Vigico unit is just superb... I can go home during lunchtime (only 5 minute drive)  and cook  a meal because it heats up so fast. However, if your cooking experience is mostly using gas cooker... you'd be suprised how fast you can prepare meals for 4 persons using induction cooker. Normally, I would cook rice using microwave oven (15 minutes) and at the same time cook the main dish (chicken, lamb or fish) about 15-20 minutes. And cook either soup, tomyam or stir fry vegies using the other hob. So normally it's just half an hour of chopping and cooking.
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Waaa many induction cooking peeps here. No more gas eh? BTW, how about the health rate for induction cooking?
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 04:10 PM)
Waaa many induction cooking peeps here. No more gas eh? BTW, how about the health rate for induction cooking?
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Gas is old people mindset leh.

Since it use electric, I assume its better. Gas I heard is not good. -------------------------> not verified statement
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Huh you ask us the users back? I thought you work wth Phillips b4 from yopur earlier posting biggrin.gif

Anyway, Induction cooker is not new tech. It's the same concept used by rice cooker, water boiler & more..The only differences, the coil of rice cooker & water boiler is covered wth another layuer of steel & this steel heated up the water/ rice. Induction is below the glass/or clay & heated up the pot on top of the clay top.

Similar tech in the upcoming imvisible charger..i.e they develop this old tech and in futur we no need wired charger liao.. biggrin.gif
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Waaa many induction cooking peeps here. No more gas eh? BTW, how about the health rate for induction cooking?
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Waaa many induction cooking peeps here. No more gas eh? BTW, how about the health rate for induction cooking?
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What is health rate? You cook using gas the fire is emitting CO2 into your house. Induction cooker depending on source of electricity also emit CO2 at the power plant, unless if the electricity comes from renewable sources such as wind or solar (maybe nuclear and hydro as well).



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QUOTE(stimix @ May 16 2011, 04:26 PM)
Huh you ask us the users back? I thought you work wth Phillips b4 from yopur earlier posting  biggrin.gif

Anyway, Induction cooker is not new tech. It's the same concept used by rice cooker, water boiler & more..The only differences, the coil of rice cooker & water boiler is covered wth another layuer of steel & this steel heated up the water/ rice. Induction is below the glass/or clay & heated up the pot on top of the clay top.

Similar tech in the upcoming imvisible charger..i.e they develop this old tech and in futur we no need wired charger liao.. biggrin.gif
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luls, i knew Philips products are crap, one day itself about 30 to 40 induction cooker will come in, half the sets internally burned, cosmetic damage, glass broken, exploded, burnt to the max etc. Health wise im not sure as i haven't cooked anything to eat on this induction cooker as in my house we still use gas smile.gif nod.gif I'm not sure about other brands and the quality of it.

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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 04:28 PM)
luls, i knew Philips products are crap, one day itself about 30 to 40 induction cooker will come in, half the sets internally burned, cosmetic damage, glass broken, exploded, burnt to the max etc. Health wise im not sure as i have cooked anything to eat on this induction cooker as in my house we still use gas smile.gif  nod.gif I'm not sure about other brands and the quality of it.
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but u tipu us saying induction use heater coil to cook. LOL...

Anyway, gas is old school. You should try induction. Don't let Philips brand make u scared of induction yo.
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If health really affecting us, the use of older induction tech such as Rice cooker and even the normal water boiler already affecting our health since Early 20th Century biggrin.gif We are in 21th century now liao wor.. biggrin.gif

Well, if microwave, then probably yes bcos we hv seen how microwave work on whatever vege & meat inside the oven biggrin.gif ..Well I dun think magnetic wave really affecting much...Everyday also we are exposing to powerfull Earth Natural magnetic field biggrin.gif
QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 04:28 PM)
luls, i knew Philips products are crap, one day itself about 30 to 40 induction cooker will come in, half the sets internally burned, cosmetic damage, glass broken, exploded, burnt to the max etc. Health wise im not sure as i have cooked anything to eat on this induction cooker as in my house we still use gas smile.gif  nod.gif I'm not sure about other brands and the quality of it.
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but u tipu us saying induction use heater coil to cook. LOL...

Anyway, gas is old school. You should try induction. Don't let Philips brand make u scared of induction yo.
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It's been many years since i've cook using gas. Been using pressure cookers to fry my food, multifunction, not purely a pressure cooker. Currently using Electrolux brand. So far so good biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(stimix @ May 16 2011, 04:32 PM)
If health really affecting us, the use of older induction tech such as Rice cooker and even the normal water boiler already affecting our health since Early 20th Century  biggrin.gif  We are in 21th century now liao wor.. biggrin.gif

Well, if microwave, then probably yes bcos we hv seen how microwave work on whatever vege & meat inside the oven  biggrin.gif ..Well I dun think magnetic wave really affecting much...Everyday also we are exposing to powerfull Earth Natural magnetic field  biggrin.gif
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rice cooker mana use induction one. Rice cook i think use heater coil gua.

QUOTE(deejay_krish @ May 16 2011, 04:33 PM)
Hehehe. Personally before working there i had intention to buy induction cooker but after working there n seeing the sets, i changed my mind, lulz
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 04:08 PM)
The Kenwood unit is good even though its more expensive (RM 400+) than other single hob type induction cooker. I gave it to my brother and he is still using it after 5 years. That's how durable it is. The Vigico unit is just superb... I can go home during lunchtime (only 5 minute drive)  and cook  a meal because it heats up so fast. However, if your cooking experience is mostly using gas cooker... you'd be suprised how fast you can prepare meals for 4 persons using induction cooker. Normally, I would cook rice using microwave oven (15 minutes) and at the same time cook the main dish (chicken, lamb or fish) about 15-20 minutes. And cook either soup, tomyam or stir fry vegies using the other hob. So normally it's just half an hour of chopping and cooking.
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QUOTE(M@Y @ May 16 2011, 04:35 PM)
It's been many years since i've cook using gas. Been using pressure cookers to fry my food, multifunction, not purely a pressure cooker. Currently using Electrolux brand. So far so good biggrin.gif
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But still, its saves time. Just wanna share. Been considering to install induction cooker at home. Not yet to ditch my pressure cooker though. They make my herbal soup in a jiffy.
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Same cocept-lah.. Also part of electro magnetic energy.. The induction of the rice cooker causing the surface of the rice pot touching the heated steel plate dur to the electro magnetic field below the steel plate. The water bopiler also using same concept

QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 04:36 PM)
rice cooker mana use induction one. Rice cook i think use heater coil gua.
u got wrong mentality. Go buy induction now.
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How to use wok to cook with induction cooker? hmm.gif
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Pressure cooker is made of steel.. So confirm 100% compartible wth Induction cooker rclxms.gif
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But still, its saves time. Just wanna share. Been considering to install induction cooker at home. Not yet to ditch my pressure cooker though. They make my herbal soup in a jiffy.
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I bought a hiwell local brand induction cooker and it's been fine working for at least a year plus, nothing happen - yet. the best part of it? only around Rm79 if not mistaken.

by the way, anyone know what kind of material pot that i should buy to replace the original pot that comes with it? I would like to fry some stuff.
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There are two type of cooker, one is flat & another curve for the Chinese style cooking wok (But more expensive & very difficult to find)..Last time got few Korean brand (Selling in Jusco) having this type of cooker..very expensive..
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cook fried rice on flat bottom works also la.
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flat bottom can cook nice nice wallet egg or not? icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(stimix @ May 16 2011, 04:46 PM)
Same cocept-lah.. Also part of electro magnetic energy.. The induction of the rice cooker causing the surface of the rice pot touching the heated steel plate dur to the electro magnetic field below the steel plate. The water bopiler also using same concept
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waffak. Heat induction and electromagnetic induction also consider same. Ok la. Same same la. hehe

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Anything made of steel or stainless steel lor..so that can attract magnetic energy from the coil smile.gif

If the wok dun hv any description, esp those non-stick wok, I use a magnet to check..If bottom can stick wth magnet - OK liao rclxms.gif
QUOTE(Andy0625 @ May 16 2011, 04:49 PM)
I bought a hiwell local brand induction cooker and it's been fine working for at least a year plus, nothing happen - yet. the best part of it? only around Rm79 if not mistaken.

by the way, anyone know what kind of material pot that i should buy to replace the original pot that comes with it? I would like to fry some stuff.
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I use flat bottom wok to cook fried rice... The one below is steel and it is cheap:
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After awhile, I don't like it because it is thin and hard to clean. So I bought this type with thicker metal bottom:
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I bought it at Jusco I think.

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haiyaaa, skali blackout, mane mau nyala api maaaaa, gas cooker ftw
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Rice cooker is not using heat induction lor..Heat induction are thiose Vee type using infra red beam. or fusion Infra-red-induction types.

Rice cooker is using the same Electro magnetic energy to heat up the steel plate lah.. biggrin.gif
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waffak. Heat induction and electromagnetic induction also consider same. Ok la. Same same la. hehe
no need use wok. just use flat pan. Can cook fried rice also.
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QUOTE(stimix @ May 16 2011, 04:57 PM)
Rice cooker is not using heat induction lor..Heat induction are thiose Vee type using infra red beam. or fusion Infra-red-induction types.

Rice cooker is using the same Electro magnetic energy to heat up the steel plate lah.. biggrin.gif
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oh sorry. I tot rice cooker use heat.

OMG... so we're induction already for so long? just that we dunno...
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post May 16 2011, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(leya @ May 16 2011, 04:55 PM)
haiyaaa, skali blackout, mane mau nyala api maaaaa, gas cooker ftw
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Haiyaaa... gas tank supply can also run out and it takes time to deliver to your house. My sister in law bought and use induction cooker because of the hassle with buying gas. Probability of running out of gas when cooking is much higher than black out lah. Induction cooker FTW.

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Haha..That's one of the disadvantages.. I kena few time black-out...The only way..Go ouitside & tapau blush.gif
QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 04:57 PM)
blackout takde lampu camane nak masak ye?
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QUOTE(stimix @ May 16 2011, 04:59 PM)
Haha..That's one of the disadvantages.. I kena few time black-out...The only way..Go ouitside & tapau  blush.gif
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haha, not an issue. it'll be troublesome to cook without electricity even with gas.... many thing cannot do...
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Haha.. I recently bought this Non-stick cheapo flat bottom wok from IKEA..dirt cheap..I think ~ RM15 nia rclxms.gif
QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 04:55 PM)
I use flat bottom wok to cook fried rice... The one below is steel and it is cheap:
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I bought it at Jusco I think.
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No point having gas if there are no lights to see what you're doing. Kitchens are rather dangerous if you think about it
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QUOTE(LaFemmeNikkita @ May 16 2011, 05:05 PM)
shocking.gif  wanna cook for how many people? I think 2+1 is more than enough already.
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for me, just buy 2 induction. just forget about the gas. Hahaha... no more dirty tong gas in ur house.
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If you wanna go low tech, save cost and preserve environment... you can try solar cooking. Main drawbacks are: 1. Food take longer to cook and 2. You can't cook well on rainy days.

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ May 16 2011, 05:06 PM)
If you wanna go low tech, save cost and preserve environment... you can try solar cooking. Main drawbacks are: 1. Food take longer to cook and 2. You can't cook well on rainy days.

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LMAO
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No joke... they actually have a complex with 40 solar dish that heat up water at Shirdi Sai Baba Shrine, and raise the water temperature up to 650°C of steam. This is used to cook food for 2,000 people everyday. Annually it saves about 100 tons of LPG. In Malaysia, even with subsidy that would've been RM 185,000 savings per year. And the whole set up cost about RM 837,000 and will pay for itself after 4.5 years (in terms of fuel savings).

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QUOTE(LaFemmeNikkita @ May 16 2011, 08:57 PM)
yup. we use to have houses fit solar panels for water heater. nowaday?

is the starting cost for solar too expensive?

even Prius Malaysia don't come with solar panels.
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Those are solar thermal, not photovoltaic solar panel. Solar thermal is not expensive considering the investment can be recovered in a few years. You can make your own solar thermal cooker if you like.

Typical photovoltaic solar panel that generate electrity has an efficiency of just about 20% and the sun radiation in Malaysia only gives about 700 Watt/m2. So on a car with only let say 4 meter length and 1.8 meter width, you can get only 700 Watt/m2 x 20% x (4x1.8) m2 = 1008 Watt of power of just about 1.3 horsepower. It is not enough to move the car, but if you charge a battery pack when the car is parked, it is sufficient to keep you car cool and to run other accessories.

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better use vitoceramic hob..can use any flat bottom wok..

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