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post May 15 2011, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(D-Tourist @ May 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
Then how come I am using a mifi device which is not fixed to a single location like wifi routers and yet my wifi ipad seems to be able to triangulate my location. Reckon they maybe accessing the cellular towers location data thru my wireless 3G mifi device to triangulate our location. To a 50m or so accuracy..  Interesting discussion...
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I actually want to test the location services by connecting my ipad to my 3GS through wifi tethering using 3G connection. But somehow I cant get it work using the mywi app from cydia sad.gif
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post May 16 2011, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 15 2011, 12:51 AM)
Nope. This myth already busted.


Added on May 15, 2011, 12:52 amhttp://johnmarshall4.tumblr.com/post/4061084217/debunking-the-wi-fi-only-ipad-tethered-iphone-4-gps
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I don't know about that link or that guy, but I personally tested it out with my iphone 4 tethered to my ipad 2 and yes IT DID WORK. I was in a wifi dead zone and even can turn on north up or track up mode. It followed my orientation just like as if it had a built in compass. But its pretty obvious its getting compass data from the iphone itself.

Strictly speaking since the iphone already is getting gps data, about the only useful thing about the ipad app is that we get a bigger map. In real practice we wont be needing to open two devices just to find out where we are.

Both running on same version. 4.3.3, original iOS. Its not getting realtime data though, unlike if u were viewing it on the phone directly. It polls the iphone about once a minute, just like mentioned in other websites. But compass data feed is realtime.

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QUOTE(slickz @ May 16 2011, 12:25 AM)
I don't know about that link or that guy, but I personally tested it out with my iphone 4 tethered to my ipad 2 and yes IT DID WORK. I was in a wifi dead zone and even can turn on north up or track up mode. It followed my orientation just like as if it had a built in compass. But its pretty obvious its getting compass data from the iphone itself.

Strictly speaking since the iphone already is getting gps data, about the only useful thing about the ipad app is that we get a bigger map. In real practice we wont be needing to open two devices just to find out where we are.

Both running on same version. 4.3.3, original iOS.
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He could be wrong or you could be wrong.

But having GPS on board is easier than tether. You're wasting both battery life.

I rather have convenience of having a GPS and 3G onboard.
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post May 16 2011, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 12:28 AM)
He could be wrong or you could be wrong.

But having GPS on board is easier than tether. You're wasting both battery life.

I rather have convenience of having a GPS and 3G onboard.
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True having it on board is better of course, but the extra cost for 3G hardware? Let alone monthly data plan commitment? Wasting money, especially when the user already owns an iphone.
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post May 16 2011, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(slickz @ May 16 2011, 12:33 AM)
True having it on board is better of course, but the extra cost for 3G hardware? Let alone monthly data plan commitment? Wasting money, especially when the user already owns an iphone.
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extra cost is not much compare to the convenience. Its like buying GPS but build in.

Take photo can geotag easier with GPS.

Its not really that expensive for extra GPS.

And with 3G, well, sometimes you might want it. Its an extra.
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post May 16 2011, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 12:37 AM)
extra cost is not much compare to the convenience. Its like buying GPS but build in.

Take photo can geotag easier with GPS. 

You are going to take picture with the stupid 0.7mp camera? kidding me?

Its not really that expensive for extra GPS.

RM400 can buy you a standalone GPS Device which for sure serve your GPS purpose a lot better I just wonder who would want to use the ipad while driving as a GPS device .. not to mention the extra monthly commitment for data plan

And with 3G, well, sometimes you might want it. Its an extra.
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@slickz say it right.. why would you want to do all the GPS thingy.. photo snapping with geotagging when you already have an IPhone?

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post May 16 2011, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(selinix @ May 16 2011, 12:44 AM)
@slickz say it right.. why would you want to do all the GPS thingy.. photo snapping with geotagging when you already have an IPhone?
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Well, I can do location service better. LOLOL...

and.. well, nowaday all we want is small pics to post to blog and facebook. 0.8mp is way enough.

Actually its just all convenience bro.

Apple is one easy to use device. Added GPS convenience is a boon. RM400 is very little money to spare for such great
convenience.

And again, we don't really know if we can tether GPS from iPhone.

And.... having big map GPS is great. RM400 is very worth.
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QUOTE(D-Tourist @ May 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
Then how come I am using a mifi device which is not fixed to a single location like wifi routers and yet my wifi ipad seems to be able to triangulate my location. Reckon they maybe accessing the cellular towers location data thru my wireless 3G mifi device to triangulate our location. To a 50m or so accuracy..  Interesting discussion...
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I cant really answer you whether or not WiFi iPad does get such info when tethered to our phones/mifi. Like I explained earlier, WiFi iPad does not necessary depends on the router that we are connected to triangulate. It rely on the routers that it can find within your surrounding that it can find to locate itself. I also wonder about how often the data will be updated.

If wanna test, I think need to go to an area where there is totally no people living there. It would create a wifi dead zone and see if WiFi iPad really gets their location right.
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post May 16 2011, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 12:54 AM)
Well, I can do location service better. LOLOL...

and.. well, nowaday all we want is small pics to post to blog and facebook. 0.8mp is way enough.

Actually its just all convenience bro.

Apple is one easy to use device. Added GPS convenience is a boon. RM400 is very little money to spare for such great
convenience.

And again, we don't really know if we can tether GPS from iPhone.

And.... having big map GPS is great. RM400 is very worth.
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I believe that is just your own opinion. smile.gif

What I'm saying to you don't step on others purchase just because you have your own reasons for your purchase it doesn't mean it applies to every single consumer out there. Just have some courtesy in your words if you are really genuine in giving your opinion and not going around stomping on other's purchase just because you think they made a wrong buy.

Not everyone thinks like you do and especially the part that RM400 is a small amount.

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QUOTE(slickz @ May 16 2011, 12:25 AM)
I don't know about that link or that guy, but I personally tested it out with my iphone 4 tethered to my ipad 2 and yes IT DID WORK. I was in a wifi dead zone and even can turn on north up or track up mode. It followed my orientation just like as if it had a built in compass. But its pretty obvious its getting compass data from the iphone itself.

Strictly speaking since the iphone already is getting gps data, about the only useful thing about the ipad app is that we get a bigger map. In real practice we wont be needing to open two devices just to find out where we are.

Both running on same version. 4.3.3, original iOS. Its not getting realtime data though, unlike if u were viewing it on the phone directly. It polls the iphone about once a minute, just like mentioned in other websites. But compass data feed is realtime.
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fyi, Wifi model does come with digital compass, the only thing missing is the GPS module and 3G thingy


Added on May 16, 2011, 1:18 am
QUOTE(D-Tourist @ May 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
Then how come I am using a mifi device which is not fixed to a single location like wifi routers and yet my wifi ipad seems to be able to triangulate my location. Reckon they maybe accessing the cellular towers location data thru my wireless 3G mifi device to triangulate our location. To a 50m or so accuracy..  Interesting discussion...
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it does work with my mifi and home wifi too on my iPad 1st gen wifi. Initially it doesn't work with my home's wifi.

Not all wifi router are able to communicate the location data to iPad thou.

I think this mifi should be able to give you quite an accurate location data.
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post May 16 2011, 01:19 AM

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Just to update that the location services is working fine now. No idea what happen but it just works.

Don't be so tense up on this k people. It's an interesting discussion and let's discuss in a friendly manner biggrin.gif

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post May 16 2011, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(selinix @ May 16 2011, 01:19 AM)
Just to update that the location services is working fine now. No idea what happen but it just works.

Don't be so tense up on this k people. It's an interesting discussion and let's discuss in a friendly manner  biggrin.gif
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You're the one who is tense and unfriendly thinking of other people try to step on your purchase. Maybe you should relax and accept your unit no gps and can't give good location. Not sure why you so angry when people say that you need go get 3G version.

Be gentlemen a bit and pls mind your word.

Just be because u're upset does not give u the right to judge others.

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post May 16 2011, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 01:31 AM)
You're the one who is tense and unfriendly thinking of other people try to step on your purchase. Maybe you should relax and accept your unit no gps and can't give good location. Not sure why you so angry when people say that you need go get 3G version.

Be gentlemen a bit and pls mind your word.

Just be because u're upset does not give u the right to judge others.
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WOW look whose talking. rolleyes.gif

I think I don't need you to check out your own post on the first 2 pages to remind you of your "opinion"?

Anyway let's end this.. if you have better input feel free to post but if you want to come in here and tell people about your superior reasoning of buying the 3G IPad 2.. go start a thread in kopitiam instead smile.gif


Added on May 16, 2011, 1:43 am
QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 01:31 AM)
You're the one who is tense and unfriendly thinking of other people try to step on your purchase. Maybe you should relax and accept your unit no gps and can't give good location. Not sure why you so angry when people say that you need go get 3G version.

Be gentlemen a bit and pls mind your word.

Just be because u're upset does not give u the right to judge others.
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I'm not angry but instead I'm intrigue by such a ridiculous answer.

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post May 16 2011, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(jonuchipokeno @ May 16 2011, 01:55 AM)
gogo2. biar la decision dia nak beli wifi ipad.
u go open "why you should buy ipad 3g" la if u want to express how much better the 3g ipad is.

lagipun this thread is about sometimes tak operate correctly the location service. so even if no gps chip, location service eventhough tak precise it should work since apple made them even for the wifi ipad.
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Actually the answer is simple. You want reliable Location Service, get a 3G version. Not sure why he butthurt over such answer.

Truth hurts I guess.
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post May 16 2011, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 01:58 AM)
Actually the answer is simple. You want reliable Location Service, get a 3G version. Not sure why he butthurt over such answer.

Truth hurts I guess.
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Excuse me which part of my thread that speaks to you that "I want a reliable location service" ??

You got problem understanding the question or you just like to drop by at everyone thread and lay down your "perfect sentiment" of your purchase?
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QUOTE(jonuchipokeno @ May 16 2011, 01:55 AM)
gogo2. biar la decision dia nak beli wifi ipad.
u go open "why you should buy ipad 3g" la if u want to express how much better the 3g ipad is.

lagipun this thread is about sometimes tak operate correctly the location service. so even if no gps chip, location service eventhough tak precise it should work since apple made them even for the wifi ipad.
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Exactly.. and my whole point of the thread is to understand why the location services works in such a way on the IPad 2 just to understand the issue better. Period.
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post May 16 2011, 02:20 AM

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Before I leave this thread:

A) reliable - always can get location - iPad 3G
B) unreliable - sometimes can, sometimes cannot - iPad wifi
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post May 16 2011, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(jonuchipokeno @ May 16 2011, 02:12 AM)
sudah2 lah gogo2. just leave this thread.
and selinix, u've got ur answer already, just close the thread.
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I will leave this thread open for further discussion and inputs on this matter.

Check this out

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/302063...tart=0&tstart=0

This dude had mentioned that he don't have such an issue with his first generation ipad whereas the "canot determine location" happens only on his Ipad 2.. and there are a lot of replies from other users indicating the same issue also.

Just curious why on the Ipad 2 it tends to work intermittenly even on the same router.

QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 16 2011, 02:20 AM)
Before I leave this thread:

A) reliable - always can get location - iPad 3G
B) unreliable - sometimes can, sometimes cannot - iPad wifi
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QUOTE(selinix @ May 16 2011, 09:00 AM)
I will leave this thread open for further discussion and inputs on this matter.

Check this out

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/302063...tart=0&tstart=0

This dude had mentioned that he don't have such an issue with his first generation ipad whereas the "canot determine location" happens only on his Ipad 2.. and there are a lot of replies from other users indicating the same issue also.

Just curious why on the Ipad 2 it tends to work intermittenly even on the same router.
Kthxbai
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Probably Apple disable Location Service for iPad 2 wifi only so that you guys will buy 3G version. Its just my assumption.
Another probability is 4.3.3 cache related fixed. They might screw up location service when they fix this cache issue since
you only have this issue after update to 4.3.3.

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post May 17 2011, 11:37 AM

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The 3G version is kinda cool if u run it as a GPS... huge 9.7" LCD for navigation even the blind can see clearly. tongue.gif

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