Cannot compare to the 2010 Italy. That one sucks rats ass

GK: Marchetti
DL: Zambrotta/Criscito
DC: Chiellini
DC: Cannavaro
DR: Maggio
MC: De Rossi/Montolivo
MC: Gattuso/Marchisio
MC: Pirlo
MR: Pepe/Camoranesi
ML: Di Natalie
FC: Iaquinta/Quaglaliera

My goodness... 38 years old Cannavaro, 36 years old Zambrotta, 33 years old Gattuso, Sub-gk Marchetti, a flopping Juve striker Iaquinta a flop Napoli bench player (now Juve player) Fabio Quaglialiera, Di Natalie playing at left wing what do you expect.

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Added on June 29, 2012, 3:21 pmItaly has a few up and coming players

Marco Verratti (They say a ready made replacement for Pirlo. A sure world class player they say)
Mattia Destro (The new Christian Vieri they say)
Fabio Borini (The new Vicenzo Montella they say)
Davide Santon (Did quite well at Newcastle. Hope he can live up to his potential like Balotelli)
Mario Balotelli (No need to say much. You and I know him quite well )
Nicola Leali (The new Buffon. Wanted by Barca and Juventus)
Angelo Ogbonna (Up and coming defender. In the current Euro2012 squad)
Manolo Gabbiadini (Up and coming striker)

Not to mention an even more matured Giovinco and Guiseppe Rossi

Predicted Italy lineup for the fun of it

GK: Leali
DL: Santon
DR: De Silvestre
DC: Bonucci
DC: Ogbonna
MF: De Rossi
MF: Veratti
MF: Marchisio
AMC: Giovinco
FC: Balotelli
FC: Borini/Destro/ Rossi

Manager: Conte

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jun 29 2012, 03:22 PM

And why are they always the underdogs? It is because of f***ers like Alan Hanson, Jamie Redknapp and those jealous English with their constant Italy league and Italian national team bashing.

Based on current times, only England can claim to beat Italy on three areas. Marketting, loud mouth media, and the BPL.

History, trophy count, home grown talent, tactics, passion for the national team, team spirit for a common cause England still far behind.

And dont give me crap like there are alot of new talented young english players coming through. Daniel Struddige, Henderson, Kelly, Wellbeck, adam johnson, blah blah can all become top class talents. The most they can be is good to very good only. Will never be world class. BPL clubs can win with Henderson or Wellback because they are helped by top class talents from OTHER COUNTRIES.

From the current lot of so called talented young britisih players, only Wilshere and Oxelade can potentially be world class. The rest? If midfielders mostly be as good as scott parker, james milner, michael carrick or gareth barry. nothing more nothing less. If strikers? mostly be as good as darren bent, germain defoe. The cruel truth? You cant win big trophies with germain defoe, michael carrick. In the CL, they are coupled with eden hazard, ryan giggs, david silva, aguero thats why BPL clubs can perform. Welbeck, Johnson, Barry, Gerrard can perform. can win things. Take those top class FOREIGN TALENTS away and you get overhyped and over rated bunch of british players.

Liverpool CL 2005:

GK: Dudek
DL: Traore (Mali)
DR: Finnan (Ireland)
DC: Carragher (England)
DC: Hyppia (Finland)
DM: Alonso (Spain)
RM: Luis Garcia (Spain)
CM: Gerrard (England)
LM: Risse (Norway)
SS: Harry Kewell (Australia)
S: Baros (Czech)

Take all the foreigners out. And you get one Steven Gerrard trying to do everything, one Jamie Carragher whom is always not favoured at the national team. Too little quality on show. Had those quality foreigners not been around, Gerrard woundnt have dominated the game. This he found out while playing for England all thise while

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jun 29 2012, 05:32 PM

Yo man. Nice comment.

But actually ppl has mis-used the term Cantenaccio. Having a good defense does not equate to roots in Cantenaccio.

Cantenaccio is a playing method whereby you only defend all the way, without having much of the ball and play on the counter. Still no idea what cantenaccio really means? Well, pls refer to England. They pirated the cantenaccio. A superb cantenaccio does not only invovles superb defending, but also great counter-attacking also. And most important must be able to win trohpies. Inter in the 60s under Heleno Herrara used the cantenaccio to devastating effect. He won two CL trophies using the cantenaccio. His is an Argentinian though

Now Italy is currently playing some slick football but equally strong at the back as well. I am hardly surprised. Juventus has been playing this style throughout their unbeaten season. With Pirlo at the heart of everything, the defensive core of Bonucci, Bazagli, Chiellini and Buffon. The brainchild and foundation of the current Italian style is a little mix of Cesare Prandelli and Juventus's manager Antonio Conte.

Look out CL. Juventus are back! And yes, they play like Italy. Or should I say Italy play like them

The only weakness that is shared by both Italy and Juventus is the lack of a quality finisher.

If Balo can perform in the fianl, well we can say to a certain extend that Italy has found their finisher. But the same cant be said of Juventus so far.

Juventus's strikers Mirko Vucinic, Alessandro Matri, Fabio Quagaliera and Marco Boriello all combined to score less than 20 goals in total. Now that is pathetic. But nonetheless Juve still won the title (free of any controversies) unbeaten and HAS THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE (They have conceded the least amount of goals compared to the English Champs Man City, Spanish Champ Real Madrid and all the other respective club champs)

So, as a non Serie A viewing football fan. You guys might be very surprised who the heck is Bonucci, Bazagli, Chiellli and Buffon. How come the defend so power. To me, it is hardly surprisingly

And you no need to worry for Italy if Pirlo retires. Italy always produce world class talents. If I have to name them here, it will bore you because the list will be long

19 year old Marco Veratti from Pescara is currently the most talked about youngster to succeed Pirlo. Watched him play a few times, this kid does has the potential to be a top player. Whether he will be as good as Pirlo or even better we may only know in the future. Yes Pescara. In Italy, top players all does not originate from top or mid table clubs. Unlike in England.

Andrea Pirlo hails from Brescia
Alessandro Del Piero from Padova
Roberto Baggio from Vicenza

to name a few

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Added on June 29, 2012, 10:13 pmHaha. fanboys. Yes i hate them

The only know english football and they act as if they know the world

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jun 29 2012, 10:13 PM

Yeah.. got live broadcast. but can you or any of the fanboys lay claim that you even bother to watch them? Most will say, old, slow, boring, defensive, all lousy players and off the TV.

Spain and german they all list will match italy? True la. But england? not so i am sorry. once they are overrated ya la maybe can match italy in terms of numbers.

me know little about other leagues? tell me who is jocelyn angoloma. dont cheat. no wikipedia

i am not keen and be special than others. no trophy for that i am not like the fanboys fighting like no tml just to win the arguement that their club and england is the best

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jun 30 2012, 08:27 PM

The final is lost. We might even lose heavily from what i can see. We are hyped up too much and now we are now like England, overhyped and defeated.

Bonucci and bazagli, especially bonucci has showed that bridging the gap to CL standard is an ask too much...

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Added on July 2, 2012, 3:46 amAgreed. The first game we played with a 3-5-2 and we were able to match them.

Anyway this game reminds me of juventus's defeat against napoli in the cup final. Juve players only lost two games throughtout this season and both defeat they tasted are in cup finals... =_=

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jul 2 2012, 03:46 AM

Spain clearly deserved to win But 4-0 is way too harsh. Our team does not deserve such a mauling.

Match:

- Entertaining match with no controversial decisions

Italy:

- Brave and maybe foolish Prandelli to want to fight Spain with attacking football. You dont outplay Spain/Barca with attacking football. Just ask Arsene Wenger and Sir Alex Ferguson

- Outclassed in every department. But it can be said that Italy were abit unlucky with regards to the Motta incident. Had Italy not have to play with 10 men for the remaining 35mins of the game, we might not lose 4-0. It might be 3-1, or a 3-0 or a 3-2, or a 2-2 who knows? With 11 v 11 there is always a chance of an unlikely miracle. Liverpool in istanbul anyone? 3-0 down, totally outclassed, but 11 v 11 and Liverpool miraculously came back to 3-3

- Win praises world wide for their new brand of football. But unfortunately, like Arsenal, praises they get, but trophies they did not

Spain:

- Clicked into unplayable mode at the right time

- Outclassed Italy at every department

- Ruthlessly took full advantage of Italy's unlucky 10 men Motta incident

- A brilliant manager in Vicente Del Bosque whom is now the only manager to win the World Cup, European Championship, UEFA Champions League, Club titles. All major titles for club and country he has done it. (SO MUCH FOR ALEX FERGUSON being named by Man Utd fanboys as the greatest manager ever)

Record breaking statistics:

- Spain has become the first side to win back to back Euros
- Spain now join Italy as another nation that has managed to win back to back major international tournament. Italy won back to back world cups (1934, 1938) Spain back to back euros (2008, 2012)
- Spain has finally beaten Italy in open play in a major tournament in after 9 attempts. 2008 not counted as Spain knocked Italy out on penalties
- Spain can now claim themselves as one of the most successful european nation alongside Italy and Germany. 3 euros, 1 wc.
- Casillas has beaten another Italian. legendary Dino Zoff for the title of longest minutes without conceding in a euro tournament.
- Chelsea "flop" Fernando Torres has become the first player to score in two euro finals

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jul 2 2012, 10:02 AM

But 4-0 is way too harsh. Alot of the ignorant fans out there will now feel that the gulf in class is too big when in fact I feel with 11 v 11 we would have still lost, but not 4-0

Bonucci, Bazagli were poor last night. Particularly Bonucci. But we can take comfort in the fact that the fullbacks at either side was mainly the problem.

Now I am hoping Juve will be drawn in the same grp as Barca. At camp nou, it might be 4-0 to them. But who knows at our stadium we can giving them a good result?

This time it will be Vidal and maybe Asamaoh snapping at Xavi and Iniesta's heels, with Giovinco as our SS upfront with a top class striker (hopefully not Gilardino )

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jul 2 2012, 10:16 AM

I agree. I feel that Italy yesterday were too soft. they should be more aggressive and hard. Cant get them off the ball? Foul them off the ball then. Rather the whole team get yellow carded or had a player sent off but at least we will give them hell before going down.

Yesterday we went down in a lame way. No hard tackles. Not much fouls. In the end, they just walked into our net.

Euro2000 Italy eventhough we lost we had Gattuso and Tomassi. Both gave the french alot of hardkicks. In the end the french won but without us losing bad and the french were themselves badly battered and bruised as well. Now thats what I call die also bring some of you guys with us.

Only two fresh players in Wiltord and Trezguet the one whom scored against us. Even Zidane, was shutdown in that game.

Our attacking approach has made us soft haha. Time to bring back the tankers? Sadly we dont have any currently lol.. Our old tankers gone already: Gattuso, Ambrosini, Di Biagio, Dino Baggio, Tomassi, etc.. all hardmen

De Rossi? He is a mix between Gattuso and Pirlo. Not hard enough

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jul 2 2012, 04:13 PM

It is not off topic BPL fanboy. With 11 v 11, the possibilities of a result other than 4-0 is much much more. Yes, it could still be an Italy loss, but maybe it might not be a thrashing or it might be. Or miraculously it might be an Istanbul. Who knows? As long as you have 11 v 11 you still stand quite some chance albeit a slim one.

But with 10 men against any side, least say against the reigining World and European champs, it is almost a surefire possibility that a thrashing will most likely be the result. The possibility of any comeback or a fightback is 0% whatsoever. Get it?

Thats why the last 35 mins it was like a training session. Most of the Italian players could not be bothered anymore. It will not be a nail biting finish or an Italian hopeless attempt to at least score a goal anymore. With 10 men, all efforts to at least safe some face and score even a consolation goal is reduced to almost 0. Get it?

You cannot use England 11 men 4-1 capitulation against Germany in the WC2010 as a comparison. England is way too overrated.

We are not trying to find excuses for the loss. We aint no BPL and England fanboys. Spain is clearly superior. But not by a 4-0 margin definitely. We are just trying to discuss had we not been down to 10 men we WOULD STILL HAVE LOST, BUT MAYBE NOT SO BADLY. Get it?

Now go back to your Kevin "brute force" Davies. This is no place for a fanboy like you. You only know the premier league and english football. Go talk and laugh whatever you want at your own domain

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jul 3 2012, 02:41 PM

typical fanboy trying to defend himself. no time for u

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Added on July 9, 2012, 11:27 amwhy suddenly want to watch serie a. dont want to watch the all so mighty BPL or La Liga meh

This post has been edited by theprobe: Jul 9 2012, 11:27 AM

As a Italy fan I have to admit that Italy deserves to go out after those lackluster performances.

The problem now is who is available to be the next Italy manager. Those available ones are horrible to say the least:

- Roberto Mancini (Was lucky to win the Serie A. Was rather lucky as well to win the BPL on goal differences considered the amount of top talent he had at his disposal. Is horrible at cup competitions)

- Luciano Spaletti (Famous for inventing the strikerless aka false 9 formation while he was at AS Roma. Won some titles with Zenit. A manager who favours attacking play till defense is secondary to him. With him I am afraid Italy might score 3 concede 7. Remember AS Roma's 7-1 defeat at Old Trafford?)

- Maximilliano Allegri (A horrible manager whom won a single Serie A with Milan. Comparing him to both Mancini and Spaletti will make the both of them look like Guardiola and Mourinho)

- Fabio Capello (An ass whom declared before that he will not manage Italy. Clearly WAS a top manager. He is past it)

- Antonio Conte / Carlo Ancelotti (not a chance in hell)

- Fabio Cannavaro (A former player with 0 experience in management)

Who? Who? all options are lousy

gilardino is nonsense post - 2006

now all he does is move between mid table clubs and score the occasional 18 goals or less. gilardino is the thing of the past. lets move on.

Let me add abit

1. Buffon - Yup I agree on the Sirigu part. IF he doesnt have a massive loss of form, he should be the one to replace Buffon,

but if Sigiru cant make it , we have 1 wonderkid GK (Simone Suffet from Udinese. Top clubs around Europe are eyeing on him now. Currently first choice at Udinese at the age of 18) to choose from and 2 young GKs (Genoa's Matia Perrin and Juventus's Nicola Leali) whom can step up to the plate... though they will definitely not be as good as Buffon but at the minimum they can be as good as Sirigu. other honorable mentions should go to italy first choice u21 GK Francesco Bardi

2. Ageing Bazagli and Giogio Chiellini - There a host of promising young central defenders but they remain an unknown quantity. Ironic, a country whom produced the world greatest centre backs now is running low on them

3. Defenders left and defender right aka full backs - We should be covered considering wonderkid Mattia De Sciglio whom might be on the move to Real Madrid can cover either left or right and Mateo Darmian is up and coming. Dont forget about Newcastle's David Santon too whom is just 22 and is already very solid

4. Pirlo - If we are talking about Midfield play maker, my goodness we are more than covered. Where italy was crap in this WC, Marco Verratti was the sole consolation. He composure on the ball, ball control, vision, technique, ability to re-cycle possession have been top notch. Watch more PSG games and you will know. He will definitely be world class at the very least. another player whom can be another top midfield play maker will be Napoli's brazilian born Jorginho. Wanted by Barcelona, Juvnetus and AC Milan the 18 year old is another player liken to the legend of the game Andrea Pirlo. Another up coming young midfielders whom can be of international standard are AS Roma's Alessandro Florenzi (wanted by Man Utd last season), Inter Milan's Lorenzo Crisetig. And of course Claudio Marchisio can still play on for a good few years.

5. Attacking Midfielders / Wingers - Italy are quite stack up with some new wingers, wonderkids Lorenzo Insigne and Stephan El Sharrawi (missed alot of last season through injury), Antonio Candreva, 22 year old up and coming Manolo Gabbiandini (missed out due to Italy managers dont trust youth like Louis Van Gaal does)

6. Striker foce - While people are hyping up the erratic Mario Balotelli, I refuse to believe he will be the biggest hope for italy in the future. the next big striker from italy i believe will be the juventus co-owned Domenico Berardi. He is only 19, but is the first choice for a crap club Sassuolo but yet he racked up 16 goals, with 3 hattricks in his second season in Serie A. He is a player whom can dribble and is with pace and with an eye for goal. A real live wire. Another youngster whom is tipped to be the next top target man for italy is Berardi's striker partner Simone Zaza.

Potential future Italy lineup beyond 2016: 4-3-3 Formation

GK: Simone Suffett (Udinese) (sub: Matia Perrin (Genoa) / Nicola Leali (Juventus))
DL: Mattia De Siglio (AC Milan)
DC: Lacking
DC: Alberto Masi (Juventus) / Rugani (Juventus)
DR: David Santon (Newcastle FC) / Matteo Darmian (Torino FC)
DM: Jorginho (Napoli)
MC: Marco Verrati (PSG)
MC: Alessandro Florenzi (AS Roma) / Ricardo Saponara (AC Milan) / Giacomo Bonaventura (Atalanta)
FL: Stephen El Sharrawy (AC Milan) / Lorenzo Insigne (Napoli)
FR: Domenico Beradi (Juventus) / Manolo Gabbiadini (Sampdoria) /
SC: Mario Balotelli (AC Milan) / Simone ZazA (Juventus)

Remember, Italy Football Achievements:

Senior Team: 4 WC (Second most successful in WC history), 1 European Championship, 1 Olympic Gold

U21: 5 European Championship (The most successful in u21 Euro history) There is no U21 WC

U19: 3 European Championship. There is no U19 WC



This post has been edited by theprobe: Jun 30 2014, 09:56 AM

yup.. hopefully suffett will not be another curci or marco amelia

nicola sansone plays what position