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 ☆☆☆ Tires Discussion Thread V2✰✰✰, welcome re002☆csc5☆asymmetric2!

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post Dec 22 2011, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(yngwie @ Dec 22 2011, 07:55 AM)
well, it depends.  whistling.gif
actually, quite a number of us prefer wet condition  brows.gif
btw, new tires placement is much depends on the driving style and car setup ; ie, running wheels.
exactly!
they only realize how important the grip and traction are when they venture into other
ppl's car / drain.
fine example ; a friend of mine insisted on falken 522 against my advice. recently, he ventured into a drain
and then he realize it was the tires that didn't stop in time. not his twinpot  doh.gif

and if we ever noticed, quite a lot of cars out there are running with cheap tires which even beat the slicks in
tread looks, in other term, ' botak' doh.gif

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ive seen people running tires that have their internal metal wires exposed LOL!
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post Dec 23 2011, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 23 2011, 12:37 PM)
Like this?
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Avanza... can afford Avanza but no tyres?

Some are too stingy, some go a bit far (P Zero on a 320i?). But I'd rather have everyone use too good tyres.

Better than in Switzerland. A friend is complaining that the traffic is very slow there atm, crashes all the time because they all use cheap Chinese tyres on their big Mercs, BMWs, Audis, ...  hmm.gif

It's not about constantly using the tyres to their limits. But what if you just drive along on the highway, maybe at 100, it's wet and suddently you have to brake very hard. Do you want the tyres to loose grip, if you don't have ABS even totally lose control and spin? No. So get the best you can afford, and don't wait too long with changing them (slicks are useless when it's wet).
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much worse (i did said internal metal wires/treads right? laugh.gif )

and for the record anyways, i dont think slicks are street legal so dont even have to bother about those
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post Jan 15 2012, 07:46 PM

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my short review on the yokohama c drive 2 copy pasted from the technical talk forums:

Just gotten all 4 tires finally replaced for my Nissan Sentra, and as you may have guessed it, it is the Yokohama C drive 2.
Here is my short review on it:

- SUPERB NVH reduction. can barely hear road noise despite going over 120-140km/h
- grip is really good too, which is understandable from the soft compound, was driving pretty aggressively during the test run
- can't comment for wet grip as i wouldn't dare risking the car and it wasn't wet/raining at the time


Also, i have did some recording (you may ignore the video lol) on both pre/post tire change for a more solid benchmark to reduce/eliminate any placebo effects (You know, spanking new rather expensive tires and all)
and below is the sound spectrum comparison:

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Pre test tires are Continental CC-1 mid/late 2006 production stock tires from the day the car was purchased
Post test tires are Yokohama C Drive 2 mid/late (week 2x 2011) brand new from shop

time of pretest is around 7ish AM 14th Jan 2012
time of posttest is around 3ish AM 15th Jan 2012

avg speeds of pre test is between 100km/h to 130km/h
avg speeds of post test is between 110km/h to 150km/h

granted, both tires and times are rather biased for an accurate/solid benchmark, however the NVH of the new tires are just god damn remarkable. Hell, if you google up reviews/feedbacks on the c drive 2, so far i just cannot seem to find anything bad about it save the tread wear, which again, is understandable for the benefits it provides being a soft compound tire.

not to mention, wind resistance/engine noise are present in both testing, and overall is louder than the tire/road noise. and that makes it even harder to gauge for a more accurate benchmark

for the actual sound sample/recording, you may refer to below links on my server (again, you may ignore the video as i have to leave my handphone on the passenger seat
http://www.quazacolt.com/continental_cc1.3gp

http://www.quazacolt.com/yokohama_cdrive2.3gp

feel free to feedback/ask any questions, thanks smile.gif
hope you enjoy my review.

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post Jan 17 2012, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(yngwie @ Jan 17 2012, 07:32 PM)
environment and tires condition aside, on paper, c.drive2 is definitely much better than cc1.
if your previous tires are of michelin primacy or ze-912, the comparison may not differ much.
enjoy your new tires. drive safely.
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nothing else to compare with so i'll just have to make due sweat.gif

would be nice if anyone else that has access to the tires you mentioned and perform a shootout comparison biggrin.gif
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post Mar 12 2012, 04:06 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 12 2012, 12:02 AM)
Among the list here:

Bridgestone GR90 - RM320 Bridgestone Art, Old Klang Road (Mar 11)
Continental CC5 - RM264 Senawang (Jun 11)
Continental CC5 - RM240 - Btg Kali
Falken ZE322 - RM260 - Btg Kali
Falken ZE912 - RM220 - Btg Kali
Goodyear Assurance - RM255
Michelin XM1 - RM260
Michelin XM2 - RM275
Silverstone M5 - RM190 - Silverstone Btg Kali (Sep 11)

Which one is the best tyre suited for a comfortable ride?
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yokohama c.drive 2.

however if you insist on list, i would go for either continental CC 5 or michelin XM2
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post Mar 12 2012, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 12 2012, 09:45 AM)
How much is C drive 2 normally?
Thanks.
I am currently using NCT5.  blush.gif
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IINM around 220-230ish
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post Mar 12 2012, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 12 2012, 07:47 PM)
Sorry. The size is 205/65/R15.
Of course comfort.  smile.gif
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if you're willing/can spend/upsize, you can opt for yokohama advan db, thats pretty much the ultimate tire for comfort/NVH priorities smile.gif
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post Mar 12 2012, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 12 2012, 07:57 PM)
Oh I see and how much is that per tyre?
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last i remember its in the range of rm500-600+ per piece, minimum rim size is either R16 or R17 IINM
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post Mar 12 2012, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 12 2012, 09:34 PM)
Wah really the ultimate  rclxms.gif
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there is always the downscaled c.drive 2 smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2012, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(soyusa @ Mar 14 2012, 07:53 PM)
I need help on choosing a suitable tyre for myvi... size 185/60R14
I'm currently using A Drive and now need to change to new tyre.

The choice I have are:
- Yokohama C Drive 2
- Michelin XM2

I drive around 100KM in daily... 70% highway and 30% city, not going to change the tyre for at least 2.5 years, please recommend which one is suitable for me?

Also, for those who using C Drive 2, is it very noisy compare to XM2?

Thanks...
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=48254806
my full review on c.drive 2.

AFAIK, xm2 wont beat the c.drive 2 in terms of NVH, though the dry/wet performance (especially wet) and treadwear will be much better than c.drive2. price wise they both should be around the same with xm2 typically slightly more expensive.

all that said, you'll prolly end up getting XM2 cuz i dont think there are R14 c.drive 2 around. even if YHI malaysia got bring in (doesnt matter if yokohama does produce the size or not) it will probably be damn hard to find/damn low in supply.

all c.drive 2 are mostly imported from Philippines with a small minority from Thailand. if there arent much demand for a particular size, yokohama malaysia wont bring them in.
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post Mar 15 2012, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(nestum @ Mar 15 2012, 01:06 AM)
C.drive2 available in 185/60/14 n all come from phillipines (msia market)

compare C.drive2 to XM2
i think comfort level,grip C.drive2 better
XM2 better lifespan, a better ECO(rolling resistance) tire than cdrive2
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ohh didnt knew got R14 haha

btw you gonna fix that review link on your thread? lol
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post Mar 16 2012, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Mar 16 2012, 06:11 PM)
I beg to differ...had PS3 and now on GY Assy 2. IMO GY is better than PS3...in NVH and in wet. Dry performance probably the same
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Wet performance i agree, however NVH PS3 should take the lead over GY smile.gif
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post Mar 28 2012, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 28 2012, 02:11 PM)
yaya, but bro, got another bang for buck tire....yokohama Cdrive 2. better grip, also tahan lasak.

your xm2 after 10k-20k km, the grip in the wet will drop drastically.

try c drive 2 wink.gif
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based on their damn soft compound, and a lot of user reviews, i dont think they will have long lasting treadwear lol.

wet grip is also not yokohama's forte. when it comes to c.drive2, its basically comfort, and dry performance grip smile.gif
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post Mar 28 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 28 2012, 02:39 PM)
er....a bit better than xm2 la....xm2 when new is ok, when worn out a bit, like 40%, the grip really drops.
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cant comment on that since my cdrive 2 on both cars are still quite new XD
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post Mar 28 2012, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Mar 28 2012, 05:46 PM)
RM300 for RE002 195/50/R15
RM270 for Achilles 123 195/50/R15
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i hope he can deal with the noise of achilles 123 being a semi slick. i absolutely cannot stand it, noisy as f***.

but the grip... drool.gif
so long there are no water puddles rolleyes.gif


Added on March 28, 2012, 6:53 pm
QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 28 2012, 06:43 PM)
Can recommend me a comfortable tyre that is mainly used for city driving with lots of potholes? 225/40/R18
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no budget and R18? Yokohama Advan DB rolleyes.gif

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post Mar 29 2012, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(imarkfrancis @ Mar 29 2012, 07:32 AM)
Oh ok , I know Achilles is crap for daily driving so i'll skip that . Mind giving more info on RE002 ? I was considering Michellin PS3 .
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Achilles 123 are semi slick tires and they are on totally different league when it comes to dry grip smile.gif

i have a set of 4 at home btw, got them for track day biggrin.gif
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post Mar 30 2012, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 29 2012, 10:25 PM)
Survey survey first.. Any tire that is complete all rounder? (good grip in wet/dry, good in potholes, etc etc..)

For 225/40/R18 Michelin got PS3, goodyear got assy 2, yokohama advan db.. What else?

And pricing around >RM800 right?
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Advan db is pretty dang all rounder. it is also yokohama's flagship comfort tires... so yeah. lol.

and wait, you want over rm800/piece of tire? can maybe try Advan sport for more performance while maintaining decent comfort. (also yokohama's flagship performance tire lol)
if still want more performance, R18 Advan Neova AD08 should be really satisfying. cant say much for its noise/comfort levels though laugh.gif

that's as far as you go as anything better = semi slick Advan A048. which is their racing semi-slicks. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hong_chen_my @ Mar 30 2012, 01:01 PM)
Hia all bro,I looking for 215/45/17" .any brand recommend?
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requirements? budget?


Added on March 30, 2012, 3:08 pm
QUOTE(jason1818 @ Mar 30 2012, 01:04 PM)
Hi
It only apply to the RWD cars, right ? (put new tyres on rear)... For FWD cars, we still need to put the new tyres on front, right or not? What you guys think about yokohama A drive tyres ? how's silverstone kruizer pula ?
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a drive tires are basically their entry level basic tires.

no comment on silverstone


Added on March 30, 2012, 3:11 pm
QUOTE(gladfly @ Mar 30 2012, 01:45 PM)
When it rains mate...I find that the GY gives better grip..the steering tracks nicely. I changed to GY because my rears (Toyo's Proxes R1) stepped out once when I was taking a medium sharp corner at 110. Lucky I managed to snapped it back. I take the corner every day to work and from work..so I can notice any change in driving the corner at speed. By the way u dont test your wet grip in flooded condition. In those conditions...u need a submarine and not a car..no tyres can save you la. In my opinion, the worst condition is just after the rain where there is standing water plus dirt and oil residue, that is when the road is really slippery. Thats the best time to try out your wet grip.

I am not saying that PS3 is no good (I've used a set before). But vis-a-vis the GY can do pretty much of what PS3 can do and in certain condition can do better than PS3. The gooding point is that the GY about 200 cheaper. So its a pretty no brainer for me to recommend it rather than the PS3.

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his "description" of flooded is an exaggeration. The track during that day was as you said, lots of stagnant water/puddles throughout the entire track, and dirt too especially on those s/hard u-turn like corners. just no oil residue (AFAIK) else there would be a lot of horrible accidents.

i went through the track under those conditions using semi-slicks rolleyes.gif


Added on March 30, 2012, 3:12 pm
QUOTE(Nitrous @ Mar 30 2012, 02:12 PM)
Hi all
Does anyone know where I can get a set of 215/40/R18 tyres? Have been searching high and low for this size, some tyre manufacturers have this (such as CSC5 and Toyo T1) but many shops do not bring them in.
If you know where to get such tyres, would appreciate if you can let me know...
Cheers!
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most highend/flagship/UHP (or max performance?) tires will have that size definitely. try to look around for larger/reputable tire shops who arent afraid of stocking/custom ordering these tires.

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post Mar 30 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Mar 30 2012, 03:26 PM)
Thanks for the reply. Initially I thought that size would be available, but apparently 215/40 series is a rare size, eventhough it is a UHP tyre. They stock more for 225/40 series, and from many manufacturers. So far I can only find Toyo T1R, but I was hoping to get CSC5 somewhere.... so far no one stocks Conti tyres for that size.
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get 225 width then unless you have some really low/closed in fenders or maybe bad offset especially if you've modded your body kits/lower car height/springs etc.
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QUOTE(jason1818 @ Mar 31 2012, 04:21 PM)
hmm, brother, i have already read the article .. but honestly for ages, we have been told that new tyres always on front. right ?? Does it mean all the tyre people around also mistaken about it for dun know how many years already?? now actually i a bit  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  hahaha ..
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another reason for that is because FWD wears the front tires much faster. so if you put old tires in front and new one back, back ones will wear down very slowly while the front continues its accelerated wear. in the end you will end up having to purchase another pair of tire sooner than you think.

the best way is to rotate your tires time to time (front to back and vice versa for example) and wear down all 4, then once all 4 worn up, change all 4 at the same time smile.gif
that is the most ideal way to change your tires, however because of the pricing of changing all 4 at once, most malaysians opt to rotate/wear in pairs and only change 2 at a go.

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