UPDATE: 31 MAY 2011 (12.00am)


QUEENS PARK RANGERS ARE CHAMPIONS AND HAVE BEEN PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE




NORWICH CITY HAVE BEEN PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE



SWANSEA CITY HAVE WON THE PROMOTION PLAY-OFF FINAL AND HAVE BEEN PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE

This post has been edited by dxjb: May 31 2011, 01:33 AM

Leeds United

leeds united cos of memories of the 90s
cardiff city so that many talented malaysian can learn/play/gained exp football in bpl

for me Swansea..

but if you want a very epic promotion try..Leeds,Forest and QPR..

Cardiff City chairman is malaysian. What else will I vote for

Reading has a good squad imho.

please revive the sleeping giant Leeds united.

i would like to see cardiff too

QPR look imminent to BPL.

Ipswich Town

...at what expense?

west ham are sure to be condemned to the championship side,so will wigan.but i really want to see wolves to survive in BPL.and Birmingham too for that matter.

I wanna see lan niao, I mean Cardiff the Bluebirds (try pronounce that in Hokkien ) to be up n Premier League next season

This post has been edited by chika138: Apr 24 2011, 06:26 AM

cardiff and norwich..both is malaysian related.cardiff almost win last night game against qpr.demm draw!

I would like to see cardiff bluebirds in EPL. They play attractive attacking football too.

LEEDS FTW! were back in the PL!

QPR and Norwich are almost there.

I would say Leeds for winning play off but N.Forest and Cardiff a good shout

Swansea would be nice addition.

Elland Road will be massive if they return to EPL

Surely would like to see cardiff city, they work so hard to be on top flight, second would be the forrester, wanna see their european revival back just like that brian clough era and last would be leeds united, for the sake of roses rivalry (hehehe just joking,they are the sleeping giants they deserve the top flight)....on other tought perhaps millwall fc for the old firm derby(if hammers not getting hammered la)

i want forest back to bpl.....former 2 times european champion should play in bpl...

For sentimental value and history, for me I want Leeds and Nottingham Forest back in BPL.

The other for me, Millwall just for the sake of their fans - London derby could be interesting

QPR alr confirm promote. other team will be cardiff and swansea.

2 times European champ..nuff said

I'd take Cardiff and Leeds anytime. QPR is already confirmed promotion.

Cardiff would be good, i would say the Malaysian fan base will increase if it enters BPL. Leeds would be good too, they can make it a stay in BPL if they go up.

leeds

cardiff of course!hopefully bellamy can lead the club to BPL.

If Cardiff promoted, we might see some Malaysian youngster play at their academy

Like Thailand sent their youngster to Man City when Thaksin is the owner. We are better than Thailand right now, we won AFF and Sea Games

Leeds

if cardiff promoted they'll be the 1st non-england team to play in BPL.

haha Cardiff & Swansea are Wales based-club

it's like Pelita jaya play in Malaysia league.

Well, good to see many comments in this poll..really like the interest of football fans who are not just top 4 clubs related chat or BPL focussed..

Update is that if QPR win against Hull City on Monday (25/4), they will win one of the two automatic promotion places..so lets wait for the result of that match..could be a return to the Premier League for the R's..

Would like to see how Cardiff will fair in the bpl... Especially the transfers they'll make if they got promoted

Not a Leeds fan but it would be nice to see them back in BPL. It's sad to see a club with Leeds quality not playing in the BPL. Same goes to Newcastle, it's good to see them back in BPL.

Not a fan of Cardiff because of who owns it. No one knows of his reputation then? Well you need to read the news more then.

yup, Vincent Tan. Who love this man? Piooner of gambling in Malaysia.

QPR surely get promoted...the other two is forest for being 2 times european champs..and norwich coz dani pacheco on loan there

result last night:

Queens Park Rangers 1 - 1 Hull City
Scunthorpe United 1 - 2 Millwall
Burnley 1 - 1 Portsmouth
Crystal Palace 1 - 0 Leeds United
Leicester City 4 - 2 Watford
Middlesbrough 2 - 1 Coventry City
Norwich City 3 - 2 Derby County
Preston North End 0 - 1Cardiff City
Reading 2 - 3 Sheffield United
Bristol City 2 - 3 Nottingham Forest
Swansea City 4 - 1 Ipswich Town
Barnsley 2 - 2 Doncaster Rovers

QPR confirmed promoted already.cardiff,norwich and swansea battling for automatic promotion while reading,forest,millwall,burnley,leeds and hull battling for playoff position.

any 3 of the top 7 teams would b great for me...

QPR / forest / leeds - long time not see them in d top tier..
norwich - missing huckerby in action back then n really like their colors.. mayb coz im kedah's fan
reading - good 2 c them back
cardiff / swansea - eager 2 c what impact wales teams can make in d bpl..

Amongst a host of other things.

Just the thought of how much more he'll make if Cardiff make it to the Premiership is upsetting. It's the only reason I don't want to see them promoted.

i would like millwall to enter the EPL... west ham and chelsea fans would love it... can already see the trail of destruction they will leave behind..

Tell you what. The Den is probably the stadium I'd least like to visit. Hooliganism is still pretty much prevelant and it's long history of violence stretches up until this very day. In 2004 when Liverpool visited, their fans goaded ours by signing about Hillsborough. This eventually led to a clash involving both supporters. Not a place fans would want to visit either.

no wonder their stadium name "the Den".. Its not the lion dens but "apes Den" sounds more appropriate

to normal people it may sound like a slump... but to those adrenaline junkie who need a way to express their passion and aggression and consented to those violence, a tie vs Millwall will be the best match-up you can get..

would like to see Leeds back in the top flight after struggle down there for so long already.

Forest too. but reality check, i think beside QPR...i will picked Norwich and Hull.

not sure if i have seen swansea and nottingham forest in BPL during my living days, im baru dua puluh-an
so my priority is to support fresh fish
otherwise yeah ol school clubs like Leeds,

or seriously, the club that can hold on to BPL after a season, clubs like watford is better of staying down there, always come and go
never watch coca cola championship, so i dont really know the str of reach of those clubs

I will note on the 1st page who are MATHEMATICALLY promoted and have a chance of a play off spot..n also who are out of the running..although QPR are as good as promoted, I will only note it when everything is guaranteed..

BTW, i wanna see QPR, Cardiff and Forest in the BPL next season..QPR coz its been a while since they were in..although EPL team have visited Loftus Road recently when Fulham rented it while Craven Cottage was renovated..Cardiff because it gives the EPL something different..a newcomer and a Welsh one at that..and of course Malaysian links..I desperately want to see Forest back..I loved their stadium the City ground..and the history ht club has and the potential renewals of their rivalries will bring back nostalgia of the early Premier League days..

Maybe it is time to bring back the beast; Leeds United and Nottingham Forest. But reality check, can't see that happening this season. I still wish Cardiff joins the other two club to be promote to BPL next seasom.

I agree with u that these two clubs are 'beasts', but I think that it might only be true now because of their names..dont know how they would perform in the BPL nowadays..especially Leeds..Forest came close last season..finished 3rd behind Newcastle and West Brom but lost out to Blackpool in the play-off semi-finals..would love to see them back..

This post has been edited by dxjb: Apr 27 2011, 02:10 AM

i hope QPR stadium will be upgrade soon cause current seat only 18,000++

No need la..I like small little stadiums..big stadium will make the big teams less fearful of the little stadiums..when big team come to old little small stadium with narrow pitch, they might feel uncomfortable and cannot adopt..

Don't think the capacity directly reflects the size of the pitch highbury was said to be narrow despite being bigger than Championship stadiums. I'm not sure what the FA regulations are, but there is a minimum requirement. If anything, expanding the stadiums benefits the home team as it translates into more tickets being sold.

Provided of course if you manage to survive one season in the premiership. Takes quite a while to expand seats no, and by the time everything is done you might have been relegated

leeds!!!
- still remember..cantona, mcallister, speed, strachan, batty in 1 team.. thats a very good team.. on paper at least


reality check.. i'll go for norwich n cardiff

...and Lee Chapman.

Wouldn't mind seeing Forest in the Premiership. When I last watched the play, Roy Keane was a young emerging talent and as coincidence would have it, Canadian international, Craig Forrest (pun intended) was in goal. They were also former European Champions.

If Cardiff do get promoted, will anyone put it past them to secure a European spot in their first season, with Vincent Tan and his cohort of bookies in the picture? Malaysians are the biggest betters in the region as far as the Premiere League is concerned.

1. Manchester City, City of Manchester Stadium, 116 x 77 yards, 8932
2. Manchester United, Old Trafford, 116 x 76 yards, 8816
3. Blackburn Rovers, Ewood Park, 115 x 76 yards, 8740
4. Everton, Goodison Park, 112 x 78 yards, 8736
5. Aston Villa, Villa Park, 114 x 75 yards, 8550
6. Middlesbrough, Riverside, 114 x 75 yards, 8550
7. Arsenal, Emirates Stadium, 114 x 74 yards, 8436
8. Derby County, Pride Park, 114 x 74 yards, 8436
9. Reading, Madjeski Stadium, 111 x 76 yards, 8436
10. Sunderland, Stadium of Light, 114 x 74 yards, 8436
11. Wigan Athletic, JJB Stadium, 114 x 74 yards, 8436
12. Portsmouth, Fratton Park, 115 x 73 yards, 8395
13. Chelsea, Stamford Bridge, 110 x 75 yards, 8250
14. Fulham, Craven Cottage, 110 x 75 yards, 8250
15. Liverpool, Anfield, 110 x 75 yards, 8250
16. Birmingham City, St. Andrews, 110 x 74 yards, 8140
17. Newcastle United, St. James’s Park, 110 x 73 yards, 8030
18. Tottenham Hotspur, White Hart Lane, 110 x 73 yards, 8030
19. Bolton Wanderers, Reebok Stadium, 110 x 72 yards, 7920
20. West Ham United, Boleyn Ground, 110 x 70 yards, 7700

Interesting facts:

* Tottenham, Liverpool and Chelsea have small pitches. No, I’m not gloating. Honest. Newcastle United aren’t that well off.

* Everton is the widest, West Ham the narrowest. Pompey, notorious for being a narrow ground, is only 3 yards narrower than Old Trafford. Am I being naive or is this really no difference?

* Highbury and Emirates are virtually the same size (110×73 to 114×74 – a yard’s increase in width and 4 yards longer – hardly cause for concern for Arsenal’s finest).

* Manchester City are finally ahead of Manchester United in something.


Read more: http://soccerlens.com/premier-league-pitch-sizes/3683/

^where's Stoke?

i assume they have small pitch (to maximize Delap's throw in)..

i hope Cardiff get a promotion (just becoz of Malaysian link)

Leeds and Cardiff.. thats what i am hoping for.

This post has been edited by choy89: Apr 27 2011, 11:33 PM

Haha..I knew u would some how relate the bookies and Vincent Tan together..and quite frankly, there is some truth in what u say..and as obviously stated, ur dislike of Vincent Tan is also affecting any interest u might have for Cardiff City football club..

But lets keep it strictly football interest shall we? No..im not dissing u for hating Vincent Tan and also ur interest in Cardiff..ur entitled to ur opinion like everyone else and it should be respected..but just because Vincent Tan's relationship with the gaming and betting industry is strong, doesnt mean other clubs are clean..Im just saying that big clubs are often protected because of their history, success and also their owners..Cardiff City might be owned by a gambler, but I respect the kind off football they play..so I will not question how they might end up with a European place..coz if the football they play deserves it then we should respect it..but again, thats just my 2 cents..hope no one is offended yea

Well I can't bring myself to detach the two simply because he will profit if Cardiff gets promoted. No need to go into detail because those of us who read the papers know quite a lot about him, especially if you have friends or family who have had encounters with him. Just ask any businessman what they think. He isn't just a gambler. I'm not saying other clubs are clean but I know he isn't.

To each his own but I've said in posts before that I cannot support something that embodies values I don't agree with.

i tot dato chan is the main owner, vincent tan only join venture sumthg? not like that ka?

but so far cardiff already have done some good job to give it back to malaysian footy(well atleast lah kan..)

relationship with UTM (i heard they bagi dana sikit utk buat stadium UTM)
relationship with KLFA
relationship with KAFA (kelantan)
1Malaysia Junior football league

and maybe more (am not sure ..)

QPR'S automatic promotion into the Premier League is set to be blocked by the FA.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...ier-League.html

norwich & cardiff automatic promotion on d card !!

Hasn't been that long since we've seen Norwich in the Premiership. Friend of mine will be delighted being a fan of the Canaries. Unless my memory fails me, they were sponsored by Lotus back then and they played an exhibition match in Kelana Jaya. Darren Huckerby was their marquee player then.

what more amazing is last year they were playing league 1.gotta give credits to them for being able to come up so quick and now on the verge of getting promoted.

shame on QPR though.

wad happen to QPR? wads their dispute now?

wat's more amazing abt norwich?
the first match of the league 1 they kena trash like 5 goals i think
one of the season ticket holder jump to the dugout and koyakkan his season pass infront of the coaches & subs.

gila gila...
FYI just to let u know, one of norwich player, Grant Holt (if not mistaken) was previously playing in singapore league.



This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: Apr 29 2011, 03:45 PM

this

because they got back to championship and played well until now,on the verge of getting promoted to bpl.

that fan's act is understandable considering that they were just being relegated to league 1 and got thrashed by the league 1 team.if arsenal got relegated and thrashed 5-0 by championship team also i will do the same if im the ticket holder.lol

not 5 goals, they lost 7-1
at home summore haha http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/t...ich/8192223.stm

TBH, Norwich have been in amazing form this season..coz if im not mistaken, they are the comeback kings of the Championship..in 7 or 8 games, they have come back to win games or at least get points or something..credit to them for the revival..

QPR also have themselves to blame..in their last 3 games, they have drawn those games in which they could have won promotion..so if they had won those games, I think they still had enough points to win automatic promotion..

Well, dont forget..this weekend is the penultimate round of the Championship..and there are 2 Live games on Astro on Monday night (early Tuesday morning)..do check my Live football thread for further info..

Queens Park Rangers have been promoted to the Premier League..but they still have that FA trial so their promotion is pending..

One spot remaining for the last play off spot..its between Nottingham Forest and Leeds United..Forest are in the driving seat, 3 points ahead of Leeds with one game left and a bigger goal difference though..

what do you mean by one spot remaining for forest and Leeds? I thought there are swansea, cardiff and reading above them?

forest and leeds still have chance for play off.

1st and 2nd place are promoted automatically..the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th placed teams go into the playoffs..right now Norwich City occupy 2nd place so if they keep that place, they are promoted automatically..however, Cardiff still have a chance to finish 2nd..Swansea too have a very slim chance..

Cardiff, Swansea, and Reading will at least be in the play-offs so that leaves one remaining spot..that will be decided next weekend in the last round of games..Forest are currently in 6th place and are 3 points ahead and have a better goal difference to 7th place Leeds..Leeds need to win and Forest to lose next weekend and also need to somehow overcome the goal difference..

Forest are on +16 while Leeds are on +10 goal difference

Final day fixtures:
Crystal Palace vs Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers vs Leeds United

This post has been edited by dxjb: May 1 2011, 04:01 PM

so pretty much decided now... QPR and norwich to go up... since cardiff was down 3 goals by middlesbrough in just 21 minutes.

also the winner of the playoff final can get £85,000,000 that will be hell lot of money if cardiff won it...

This post has been edited by liez: May 3 2011, 01:08 AM

I thinks its actually a guaranteed 15 million for TV revenues if they go up to the Premier League..any team who get promoted will get it not just Cardiff..its just that they now hype the Play off Final as the 15 million pounds match for the winners..

NORWICH HAVE BEEN PROMOTED TO THE PREMIERE LEAGUE!!!

Well for their sake, I hope they do a better job than they did the last time they got promoted. They only managed to muster 7 wins all season long. I don't know a single player on their roster with the exception of former Liverpool and Millwall defender, Zak Whitbread.

pacheco must be delighted right now!

wahhh no fuss like last time aa?

"team malaysia" i lol

hey,im surprised you didn't know pacheco!and lansbury too.

Yes but he's only there on loan and I really doubt he'll still be there next season playing against us, and I was clearly referring to their chances next season. I've no idea who Lansbury is. Why the surprise?

Grant Holt's one of those fat strikers that thrives in the lower leagues, using strength and technique to get in (think Gascoigne's solo magic).

If Blackpool stay up, we'll have Holt and Taylor-Fletcher fatting up the Premier League frontlines together.

Will be interesting to see how Taarabt does in the Premier League (guys, can you all please stop calling it the BPL?), most pundits expect him to be shackled by the better organised defence (except Wigan if they stay up), as do I.

I go for Swansea. Simply because it will be a massive piss-take (and a really funny one) to force all the English clubs to travel to Swansea.

In other news, Southampton need another point to get into the Championship.

I dont really care who they have on their roster or how they will survive next season..I just love it that they're back..Im a more sentimental guy so to see two founder members of the Premier League winning promotion to the Premier League again is wonderful..

I have been watching the Premier League since it started back in 92 and to see old footage of QPR and Norwich back then made me miss some of those old teams..it doesnt matter how bad their football may be but certainly QPR and Norwich have deserved their promotion based on their performance this season..how they perform next season is another matter..

Now Im just hoping Forest can win the play offs should they get there..or Leeds if they manage to overtake Forest..these 2 legends back in the Premier League would be great..in fact, I'll be happy with any of the play off teams to be promoted..except maybe Reading since they were recently in the Premier League and PL teams have also regularly played them in the Cups..Cardiff and Swansea to make their debuts in the league would also be special..

BTW guys, which Premier League team would u wouldnt mind getting relegated or which team would u dearly like to be saved? Lets be realistic with our choices shall we?

Likewise. I started watching during the days of the old First Division and I too look forward to the day when the likes of Oldham, Luton and Notts Country return to the top flight, if ever. These clubs have faced Premiership exile for 2 decades now. Unlike back then, the wealth disparity between clubs in the top flight and the rest of the league is huge now and it will be an uphill task for them to survive their first season back. I doubt you'll see a repeat of feats from clubs like Blackburn or Newcastle who finished in the top quarter of the league in their first seasons back. These days, just escaping relegation is a victory in itself. I can see why given that it's also pretty hard for clubs who go down to bounce right back up. Middlesbrough are going to finish just above the relegation zone and Portsmouth aren't too far away either.

I'd like to see West Ham stave of relegation. I've had a soft spot for them for some time now. Anyone remember facist and controversial striker, Paolo Di Canio's show of sportsmanship? To say that Di Canio has a temper is an understatement which made his display for fair play even more surprising. It was against Everton that keeper Paul Gerrard got injured and lay on the pitch prone as the ball was played to Di Canio who was faced with an open goal. In a move that stunned everyone, he caught the ball and pointed to the injured keeper instead of smashing it into an empty net. Won himself a FIFA Fairplay award for that too.

I think Ian Holloway has done a great job at Blackpool and I'd like to see them stay up. With a squad that hardly anyone would notice if they walked by them on a street, he's managed get some pretty good results especially at home, including a victory against Man Utd.

I don't think Wolves and Wigan have done much to justify their place in the top flight. Martinez is a nice guy but he's never really transformed Wigan from Premiership strugglers into anything. If they do go down, I reckon they'll struggle in the Championship as well especially when you consider that players like Al-Habsi, Rodallega and N'Zogbia are unlikely to stay.

sorry.i thought you probably know lansbury,another upcoming prospect from arsenal academy.the boy who scored against tottenham earlier in carling cup.

for me it would be wolves and west ham.

wolves because i think they're just not good enough for premier league.not consistent enough to stay on top flight.

west ham because i think they should get relegated few seasons ago due to the tevez saga.

i would like to save wigan.they are inconsistent,just like wolves,but when they're on fire,they can beat anyone they want.

IIRC for 1season, they played with Proton (away kit) and Lotus (home kit) on their shirt..

and they put Proton logo on corner flag..

FORESTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAA..........
Lol just coz i'm currently based in nottingham

I remember watching that game.. At first I was cursing.. "WTF?".. before I realize the keeper is lying injured.
Had much respect for him after watching that.

FINAL RESULTS:
QPR ESCAPE POINTS DEDUCTION AND ARE PROMOTED AS CHAMPIONS..
NORWICH WIN THE SECOND AUTOMATIC PROMOTION PLACE..

CARDIFF, SWANSEA, READING AND NOTTINGHAM FOREST GO INTO THE PLAYOFFS..

Playoff Semi Finals:
CARDIFF CITY VS READING
SWANSEA CITY VS NOTTINGHAM FOREST

This post has been edited by dxjb: May 8 2011, 12:36 AM

Friday 13 May 2011

English nPower Chmpionship Play-off Semi Finals 1st Leg
NOTTINGHAM FOREST VS SWANSEA CITY
ASTRO SUPERSPORT (CH811) 2.40 am LIVE

Saturday 14 May 2011

English nPower Chmpionship Play-off Semi Finals 1st Leg
READING VS CARDIFF CITY
ASTRO SUPERSPORT (CH811) 2.40 am LIVE

Tuesday 17 May 2011

English nPower Chmpionship Play-off Semi Finals 2nd Leg
SWANSEA CITY VS NOTTINGHAM FOREST
ASTRO SUPERSPORT (CH811) 2.40 am LIVE

Wednesday 18 May 2011

English nPower Chmpionship Play-off Semi Finals 2nd Leg
CARDIFF CITY VS READING
ASTRO SUPERSPORT (CH811) 2.40 am LIVE

This post has been edited by dxjb: May 8 2011, 03:14 PM

Cardiff should be able to get promoted. But I think they playoff for few years already everytime also failed to get promoted.

since leeds wont b coming back anymore i putting my money on forest 4 the old time 79-80 european glory sakes

not 4getting this famous victory against the mighty catalan in the super cup while messi is not even born yet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_UEFA_Super_Cup

2nd choice will b cardiff since it is managed the 1malaysia way hahaha

Yup..my 1sst choice also Forest..coz it would complete the return of the Premier League old boys after QPR and Norwich..and coz I love their ground..would be great to see Premier League football there again..

N I remember Portugal vs Czech Republic there I think in Euro 96..wonderful team, wonderful ground for historic reasons..

2nd choice would be Cardiff..3rd Swansea..but my 4th choice and least favourite are Reading (because they were recently in the Premier League and usually play Premier League teams in the cups) but they are the in-fprm team at the monent..

Dont forget the play off semi-finals are LIVE on Astro..good time for us to see these teams..

MATCHDAY REMINDER: 13 & 14 MAY 2011 (early Friday and early Saturday morning matches)

Friday 13 May 2011
NOTTINGHAM FOREST VS SWANSEA CITY
ASTRO SUPERSPORT (CH811) 2.40 am LIVE

Saturday 14 May 2011
READING VS CARDIFF CITY
ASTRO SUPERSPORT (CH811) 2.40 am LIVE

Tune in and watch who will continue their journey to join QPR and Norwich as the newcomer to the Premier League next season!!!

READING~~~!!

RESULT: SEMI-FINAL 1st LEG

NOTTINGHAM FOREST 0-0 SWANSEA CITY
READING 0-0 CARDIFF CITY

This post has been edited by dxjb: May 15 2011, 10:38 PM

if draw means wad? means the other 2 teams have higher chance to enter?

or theres second leg? which will in turns go to AET and PK if draw again like FA.

kan atas tu dah tulis 2 leg
macam semi > final > champion promoted

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: May 13 2011, 03:59 PM

This is 2 leg play off semi finals..the next leg is on Monday and Tuesday night (early Tuesday and Wednesday morning Malaysia)
Away goals rule apply only after extra time..mean is 90 minutes, they dont count..extra time and penalty apply if necessary)

There is a one off final..on May 30 at Wembley..

swansea 3 forest 1 there goes another season wait 4 forest 2 try again climb back 2 bpl

S britton 28
S dobbie 33
F earnshaw 80
S pratley 90

all goals here
http://www.101greatgoals.com/live-video-up.../93974/#respond

This post has been edited by skylinelover: May 17 2011, 06:10 AM

aihh Leeds couldn't make it. now N.Forest.

I can see Swansea vs Cardiff

well swansea it self is good for the epl.more and more older clubs are making it back.hoping to see the tangerines survive too.

as for leeds would love to have a go at them again in the league but as of now 2nd tier is what they are worth.

I watched Swansea vs. Forest. What a game. Forest are desperately unlucky with a penalty shout and three denials by the tiang. They dominated and were far more threatening but in the end, it was two good individual efforts that put Swansea through (the third was again, bad luck, when the Forest player slipped and let the Swansea dude pick up the ball and put it into the empty goal).

If Swansea does not improve from that game, I think an all-Welsh final will sea Cardiff through.