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daijoubu
post May 29 2010, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ May 29 2010, 02:04 AM)
still haven't decide yet? biggrin.gif
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yes unfortunately still not decided sad.gif. im still stuck within the 3 choices

Dominations Dlite: The cheapest, at RM730 with installlation, this is still the closest to my original budget. Sounds decent, but very skeptical about the midbass performance. It is definately strong, but i cant put my finger on its lack of control.

Focal 165A1 : Really considering this, as I like the midbass, and I can accept the slightly veiled vocals, but many people say the metal tweets are very edgy and noisy, im just afraid of the fatigue.

Boston SL60 : The best of them all, and the most expensive. Way over budget, and im not sure whether the difference in sound quality is worth the price. Possible to get it cheaper overseas, but not sure whether I can wait sad.gif.

LOL see my mess i got myself into? =.=

QUOTE(squareballs @ May 29 2010, 10:46 AM)
HOw much are you quoted for the SL60 and SX60?
From KF?
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SX60 should be RM800, and SL60 is RM1200. Both with installation

QUOTE(bafukie @ May 29 2010, 11:15 AM)
imaging should not be apart of ur listening criteria as it can be solve by speaker placement etc.. should be looking for the tonality and sound reproduction as priority.
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True, the imaging isnt the one really affecting my judgetment, but more on the bloated midbass.
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post May 29 2010, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ May 29 2010, 03:53 PM)
neva consider 2nd hand products?
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I guess i could smile.gif but i've been scouting around and dont seem to have any ones that interest me sad.gif
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post Jun 13 2010, 01:05 AM

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Went to KF Audio today, finally settled for Boston Acoustic SL60. Blew my budget, but decided that the difference isn't that much.

Swapped my OEM HU for the old Alpine CDE-7871E. Anyway, now that its installed, here are my first impressions:

- Tweeters are pretty bright, have to tune the trebles down a tad bit
- Vocals sounds very nice, with lots of details. mids are good
- Midbass is severely lacking! sad.gif Not to say its not there, but definately not as strong as i like them to be
- Door panel (the door plastic trim) started to rattle, esp during bassy parts in songs

So now, my next aim is to improve the midbass and reduce panel rattle.

Firstly, can i ask, will the midbass improve after burn in? Is it normally the case that fresh speaker sets will have weak midbass because if the stiff out of factory condition of the speakers?

Secondly, i plan to add on my old Proton 60watt amp, will this improve midbass? Currently running it off HU rated at 45watt(not RMS). Even so, it gets pretty loud, but would the lack of power severely reduce the midbass?

Third, what can i do next to increase the midbass volume? Would dampening the door frame (metal), OR door panel (plastic trim), OR BOTH, increase the midbass?

As much as possible, i'd like to keep the spending to a minimum, so getting a sub is out of the question tongue.gif.

Thank you people! =D
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post Jun 14 2010, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 13 2010, 03:19 AM)
thanks for the review man

- and wow even the SL60 this issue is also there? i guess you'll have to wait for the amp to be the final judge. my S60 had the same thing. i wont say its weak, its almost non existent until i got the amp installed. still, the minor gap caused by the mid bass is quite annoying time to time. then again, i am REALLY in love with boston's vocals/string instruments. (have you hear them out yet on strings? do give it a go man) and i am not sure if other brand could provide the same satisfaction. worse come to worse, buy other midbass and custom it up heh heh

- what car you driving? old car? same thing happened for me, however after the subwoofer + amp, despite the bass being much stronger and clearer and the subwoofer typically overpowers door rattling sounds so it wasnt too bad, actually better this way. heh

honestly, imo your solution is a sub. just tough it out until you can get it. forcefully trying to get the midbass to play low freq will just screw your SQ. just accept it wouldnt reach the lows, and wait till your sub installation for it to handle as it is meant to be.
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The SL60 actually has good midbass, but Im quite demanding when it comes to midbass sad.gif so I'd like more than what its pumping out now.
Im hoping that the midbass will increase as i break in the speakers. I've listened to the S60 on the soundboard, and compared to the SL60 on the soundboard, the SL60 has way more midbass.

Today, i switched the tweeter setting from -2dB to -4dB, as I find the tweeters pretty strong in comparison with the midbass. Will evaluate the difference tomorrow during my long drive to work, but right off the bat i notice i can up the volume higher to increase the midbass without having the tweeters being too loud.

Next upgrade would to be install my PROTON 60 watt amp, and see whether it help. Lastly would be to dampen the doors, and seal the metal panel holes, so that the rear sound waves wont cancel out the front ones. That would be my biggest bet ^^
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post Jun 14 2010, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Jun 14 2010, 12:50 AM)
yup, tweeter is a bit harsh if faced directly towards u. i dun think proton amp is a gud choice for upgrade. better save up till u get a proper amp unless u insist on using the proton, if the tweeter sounds harsh to u, get a warm sounding amp. and play around with the angle of the tweeter. i like the crossover, cos it's very solidly built.
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According to KFAudio, they said they used to sell the Proton amp way back in the past, and that during then it was one of the better quality ones. definately better than the stock HU. I cant spend on a new amp now, so i might as well use it smile.gif.


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post Jun 20 2010, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 13 2010, 01:05 AM)
Went to KF Audio today, finally settled for Boston Acoustic SL60. Blew my budget, but decided that the difference isn't that much.

Swapped my OEM HU for the old Alpine CDE-7871E.  Anyway, now that its installed, here are my first impressions:

- Tweeters are pretty bright, have to tune the trebles down a tad bit
- Vocals sounds very nice, with lots of details. mids are good
- Midbass is severely lacking! sad.gif Not to say its not there, but definately not as strong as i like them to be
- Door panel (the door plastic trim) started to rattle, esp during bassy parts in songs

So now, my next aim is to improve the midbass and reduce panel rattle.

Firstly, can i ask, will the midbass improve after burn in? Is it normally the case that fresh speaker sets will have weak midbass because if the stiff out of factory condition of the speakers?

Secondly, i plan to add on my old Proton 60watt amp, will this improve midbass? Currently running it off HU rated at 45watt(not RMS). Even so, it gets pretty loud, but would the lack of power severely reduce the midbass?

Third, what can i do next to increase the midbass volume? Would dampening the door frame (metal), OR door panel (plastic trim), OR BOTH, increase the midbass?

As much as possible, i'd like to keep the spending to a minimum, so getting a sub is out of the question tongue.gif.

Thank you people! =D
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1 week after getting the Boston SL60, here are my impressions:


- midbass is improving slightly, perhaps due to it breaking in, or maybe im getting used to its midbass
- i played with the crossover settings. i changed the tweeter levels from -2dB to -4dB, and the result now is that the tweeters are less overpowering, which allows it to blend better with the bass. it also reduces its harshness
- i've also changed a setting in the woofer crossover. changed from 'on-axis' setting to 'off axis'. right off the bat i cant notice much, but after a while i realised the midbass is stronger. dont know whether its cause of the setting, or placebo.

Im starting to like this speakers more. Its midbass is pretty musical, but its not so controlled now, which i think its caused of the lack of amp(power). Then, the bass is causing lots of panel rattle, so i'd like some dampening in future. Hopefully i'll increase the midbass more, and give more control. Will amp it too.

It would be best if i can install an equilizer, or use a more tunable HU to control the tweeters. Better still if i can install L bridge to control the tweeter vol individually. Need to bring those tweeters harshness a notch down tongue.gif.

Other than that, im lovin it!
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post Aug 30 2010, 03:35 PM

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does sony xplod series have any good amp or subwoofer at all?
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post Aug 31 2010, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Aug 30 2010, 04:01 PM)
gud xplod? neva heard any so far.
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Whoa none at all? Their amp's aren't good at all? sad.gif

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post Oct 19 2011, 01:17 AM

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my old Alpine is dying sad.gif
CD still plays fine, but radio often blacks out for no reason. need to off the player for a few mins and on again only it'll restart sad.gif

anyway what i loved about the alpine is the sound quality, esp when playing cds. now if i need to get a replacement HU, what is the best SQ type HU for a budget of about RM300-500?

or within that budget, all SQ is same, just difference in features? sad.gif
thanks! smile.gif

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post Oct 19 2011, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Oct 19 2011, 03:06 PM)
in that price range, i believe P will be a good choice.
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any particular model in mind? What is the minimum model or brand which is recomended for SQ? Pairing it with boston sl comps. Thanks!


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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 19 2011, 07:30 PM)
any particular model in mind? What is the minimum model or brand which is recomended for SQ? Pairing it with boston sl comps. Thanks!
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Seems like the only options i have are:

Pioneer DEH-5350UB
Alpine CDE-121E
Pioneer DEH-6350SD

I shouldnt even consider Sony right?
Anyway, what would be a good option in terms of SQ? Any other brands? sad.gif

My previous HU is CDE-7871E which is now almost dead
My current components are Boston Acoustic SL60
My car is Saga BLM stock condition with no soundproofing

My future low budget plans include:
- Damping the front 2 doors
- Add an old skool Proton CA-260 2 channel 120watt RMS amp
- Adding an underseat sub

With this in mind, can anyone suggest what kind of HU i should go for?

Thanks in advance guys ^^

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post Oct 22 2011, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(zennn @ Oct 21 2011, 11:34 AM)
just have a good look which HU u prefer among the 3 choices in terms of usage and features, soundwise not much diff, but these two brands are the better choice in this price range
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Thanks for the answer smile.gif

Of both HUs, which one has more 'warm' sounding tendency?
My Bostons now a little on the bright side, was looking to taming it abit
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post Oct 23 2011, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Oct 22 2011, 05:08 PM)
P brand. Go for the 6XXX series la...
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OK thanks for the suggestions smile.gif
I think i'll go for the Pioneer, though i find the alpine much better looking =.=

5350 looks very plain and boring
6350 looks too funky and futuristic
the alpine 121e looks just nice, subtle but nice

but sound is more important i guess, morever the 6350 have 3x 4V preouts, so i guess that'll be handy in future when i upgrade

thanks all! notworthy.gif

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