if u r looking for even budget setup...lots of other brands out there

philips sound bars
Sony

nowadays wireless and bluetooth very common.....

i had philip tv sound bar......i think got it fr a lucky draw

ada wireless and bluetooth....didn't test the sound though

KEF is not everyone's general taste

you don't have much room space....so i think a 1" dome tweeter with 6" or 5.5" mids will do

something in the likes of 89db or 90db response
problem is creating depth for your sound stage due to limited distance
if you could have minimum 3feet from your speaker to the speaker rear wall
and if you can sit towards the end of the opposite wall say at 9feet

then you can have your speakers apart roughly 5feet
that might help you with imaging and staging

how hot is it? are you over driving the amp like maybe volume at 1 oclock?

Holfi....good stuffs

Celestion....of coz.....my dad used to have them as well

typically you need a good 100watter amp and above to drive d dyns

pairing with a marantz is sort of pushing the limit of marantz....

but there are also other factors why a speaker sound weak

happy hunting.....you might want to try second hand market

if you r not particular about brand...you can test out magnet amp carried by bro car crazy

well i have not heard them before....so can't comment much

GI Jie, why not sell your system away since its sort of new

Krell & Dynaudio are made to match each other

while testing passlab.....you might want to try out Audio Research gear which Alvin has

Audio Research and Sonus are from the same company...tuned for each other


Nordost Valhalla? hehehehehehe I know......
the other one that you might to try is the Transparent cables
the reference is cheaper than Valhalla

sort of tight budget you have

just checked hiway laser website....they have a package for Pioneer VSX-522 and JBL 5.1 satelite system going to 2699
but this excludes cables and your source

what source are you going to use?
bluray? media player?

if you are looking at stereo setup....entry level marantz and entry level speakers should be able to fit your budget
again it doesn't come with cables and source

perhaps you can approach bro sentinel92 as he does have equipment for sale as well

GI Jie.......after my renovation complete and tuning complete....time for poison eh

fyi....Alvin will be tuning with me in my new room.....

now in design, planning and material selection stage

stay tuned

i hope you can put those equipment into a right room size......

again...... if you can afford that model.....you might want to consider the Audio Research Reference

CD9 paired with Reference 5 preamp and Reference 110 power
it will make your guaneri sing nicely

Alvin has a good guaneri setup in his show room.......test all you want....but poison is strong

wah lau eh.....hushymushy truly salute and respect GI JIE......
this is like the king of cables and one of the high high end stuffs

ur cable can buy half my system d
hahahahahahahaha

how would u want to setup a tri channel front with stereo setup using stereo amps?
unless you are using a 7.1 analog output from your bluray
sound staging and tonal balance an issue, depth and frequency speed imbalance

since your room is a little out with a ratio of 2, the i suggest you stack stuffs at the back of the seat
maybe a 2feet deep cabinet or something. a 20' x 12' ratio would be ideal

if you insist....here's what i would go for

If you need SACD....means bluray or high end DVD.....Oppo 105D is your only choice for highend reproduction: Price around 5.5k to 5.8k

since you only have 12ft left to right.....
your left speaker is 3ft from d left wall and same goes for your right speaker, which leaves roughly 6" in between speakers.

to say cable with standard quality...this rule applies to entry level systems....

at 50k system......every link makes a difference. the higher end the system, the better the reproduction....the less tolerance for mistake......

i'd go for something like this budget:

10k for speakers : dynaudio, focus audio, B&W, sonus faber and many more.

10k for amp: Audiolabs pre-power, NAD Master series, Unison Research Unico and many more

10k for cd player: since you mentioned SACD, Oppo 105D would be my pick for its all-in-one capability

3k for speaker cables: plenty of choices. My pick would be Nordost, Wirewold, XLO

3k for interconnects: same series as your speaker cable

2k for a good equipment rack: go to amcorp mall shop name ATS. ask for solid wood and solid steel combination.

5k for harmonix tuning feets (since you don't have room treatment and hard floor). you will need abit of resonant balancing and it starts with the footings. harmonix 900mkII would be my choice. 3 sets of it.
start with the speakers (1 set per side, therefore 2 sets) and 1 more set for the rack.

3k for room power rewiring with good power connectors like wattgate (if you have 3 phase to play with, better still). refine your power source at the source level and not by using power conditioner and all.
using the right pwer cable size for the right equipment is important.

since your room is 288sqft, you can include in timberflooring at roughly rm25/sqft which equates to rm7200. check out rvwoods.com

some additional budget left, i will put rockwool panel around the room walls, acoustic treatment and lower the ceiling line to maybe 9feet

the point is.....having a good healthy 60k budget is good for hifi playing

but 60k equipment in a not so good room will not bring the best out of the system you have invested

instead, playing it balance in a good room will bring your musical reproduction to a different level

This post has been edited by hushymushy: Jul 19 2014, 11:13 PM

you know ODIN is like the Gods of God in the myth days

so ODIN cables are like for the GOD equipments...hahahahahaha

so how was your session in there with his Guarneri setup?

This post has been edited by hushymushy: Jul 19 2014, 11:25 PM

bro chino730...having read the HT setup page

i think you have a good set at home now
B&W setups

i would maintain the speakers.
the tv is more like an option to change or maintain

i would however relook at the power section
the amplifiers.....since you have all the speakers, why not relook at a good processor and multichannel amp?

then i would look at the flooring and room treatments

well AR has solid state too

i thought tubes were slow......until I met AR....

but anyway...i won't be upgrading any of my equipment anytime soon

going to focus on getting the room right, the power factor and other factors first

on cable length...i would suggest you go for min 2.5m to 3m.....the bass will sound more balance.

This post has been edited by hushymushy: Jul 20 2014, 07:52 AM

bro chino.....

on the power section.....here's what i would do

create a sub db just for your hifi equipment...meaning from your tnb meter, have another pair of power cables. in my case, i will be using 10mm solid copper core with shielding from the meter to my sub db

also, will be redoing my earth point to get the best earthing area

sub db you can use brands like Hager

depending on the number of equipments, you need to have d sub db slot that is more than
so your elcb will be at the left side of the db then you start with high power equipment like your power amps, sub woofer. 1 fuse 1 item rule....

simply said....use 32A fuse for those items with amplifier. now although your equipment is less than 20A consumption, somehow a 16A fuse reduces the power and some how making your amp sound weak. then from the fuse, use between 10awg to 14awg power cables for your amp. best if used with screened and shielded cables to control noise and RF interference.
in between fuses, leave an empty slot if you can, it helps to reduce humming should you face any and improves floor noise

for cdp, pre amp, processor, any source......use 16A fuses and smaller AWG like 18AWG cables and the fuse should be the opposite end of the elcb and 32A
on high end equipment, it does make a significance
too large cables some how reduces refinement reproduction and makes the sound rough and coarse

then comes the sockets and face plates......my vote is only wattgate
i don't bother with furutech or sine or whatever.......wattgate somehow maintains the best conductor in this area and doesn't add flavour to music

power cables.......some say use expensive power cables
some say use any power cord is the same

for my audio research.....i'm using the original cable supplied by manufacturer
have tested many other power cables.....in terms of tonal balance.....its still the best

my friend even had a passive power filter installed after the tnb meter and his signal is clean before entering the db.

now some might say this is over doing it........

but those who didn't do it, may have invested in expensive power conditioners that cost a lot more than just simple rewiring and putting the right power cables.

now, about your equipment...in all honesty.....i would do one thing at one time to tell the difference

i agree with you about digital signal and its snake oil about high end digital cables
i personally don't buy high end digital cables.

but for your speaker cables....it starts with pure copper cables
the problem is....a lot claimed pure copper isn't pure
cables like vandamme & hisago would be my choice.....inexpensive and good quality cables

plus you are wiring it wrong for your speakers. it will sound strange and frequencies missing

instead, i would use a multi channel amp and a proper processor

i doubt there is anything wrong with your speakers......it sounds more like you have wrong config and under powered system

again.......no matter what speakers you change....wrong amplifier will kill your sound
same goes for your source......garbage in, garbage out

thats why i separate my hifi from my home theatre......

bro...single phase to 3 phase need to install new meter
then change entire db
exisiting cables may not be long enough

if single phase then i suggest you go to 3 phase

depending on your housing area and TNB
better you go to your nearest TNB branch to check their approved contractor first

there are 2 things:

1. external wiring from the electrical pole to your meter area (depending is it underground or via street lights). mine is pull from tnb street lights which is situated right outside my house

2. meter need to change to 3 phase meter

so you need to note that there r 2 contractors required. one for your outside 3 phase for tnb, and the other is your internal.

after the meter, you need a new 3 phase db. brands like Hager, Schneider, EPS and so on would be good

then it depends how you do the distribution

if you need a contact, I can pm you...but note.....this guy is not cheap
even the wire he uses are good quality and good finishing

plus you will need to conceal your new cables, repaint and so on.

This post has been edited by hushymushy: Jul 20 2014, 05:37 PM

GI Jie.......wah 1k for your 3phase conversion....very cheap oh

mine i had to repay the deposit (top up)
the cabling and new db oredi 2k for external
and my house internal wiring too short.

bro chino..somehow i feel that adding the center to your music probably enhanced your mid range and over shadowed your lower frequency

i would perform the following:
1. disconnect the NR1504 to the 603. use only the MM7025 for the 603. plug back the cable jumper or use 1 to 2 out speaker cable config. Y? your energy going into the speaker is not exactly balance. you might be hearing the wrong thing. (FOC solution to try out)

2. move the floorstanders out from the rear wall at least by 3 feet. your sound stage depth is quite near right now (i'm assuming). another FOC solution to try

3. recheck the speaker spikes if its all 4 touching the ground. if you wan, i can let you test out my harmonix spike shoes for a while....hehehe no over night.....(hearing the music is free, the harmonix you need to buy if you kena poison...hehehehehe)

4. for your both marantz units, by pass your Belkin and plug direct to power source. sometimes power filtering removes your ommph....happened to me (another FOC solution)

i have gut feel that your bass has somehow deaden and not producing what the 603 should do.

and no disrespect to your equipment...personally I have 2 Marantz CD player...the 6000 OSE and CD6000 KI Signature
still one of the best cd players around....powerful signal
but Marantz amps are abit thin sounding in my opinion

also...i noticed you don't mention anything about your source

one of the issue i had in my earlier days of hifi was the source....i tend to neglect it
but hard lessons learnt that good cd players and source do make a large impact

i've have had a few cd players.....to date.....Audio Research is the best i can afford for now.....and its sure damn one of the best in the market....of coz there are the GOD players out there which is not meant for people like us

happy to meet up with you guys over teh tarik to discuss more if you guys are ok to meet up....hehehehehe

chino...if my FOC 2 cents worth helps you.....all i need is a teh ais...

This post has been edited by hushymushy: Jul 21 2014, 09:22 AM