lol

LOL kedai kopi. ipoh white coffee please)))

Got any audiophile kopitiam in Malaysia or not?
I mean kopitiam with awesome audio setup

Can drink coffee + enjoying hifi acoustic music.
Not Disco ar..

Place so noisy, how to enjoy laa

No...

I don't really want the mods to disable post count for this place. So can we try to keep 3 letter posts to the minimum? XD

might as well close this thread then

yes

i read some previous post saying lossless is all the same.. well.. mathematically speaking that is..

so how come lossy vinyls.. that even degrades (scratches when played).. sounds better than the so called lossless CD?

probably it can be proved by mathematics.. or not. but there's definitely some calculation or consideration being left out somewhere.
it would also fail to describe as well why all dacs that measures 20-20kHz at 0db signal doesnt sound the same also. perhaps we should do a math on how our ears hears zeros and ones?

Maybe some people do not want to listen to what their own ear hears?
if equipments are always correct.. we are all better off using hearing aids to replace our ears?

the point is, measurements and theories are always a guidelines.. the implementation is never going to be as ideal as any theories or measurements. what matters in the end is what the human perceives, and not what is being calculated.

(lets start teh flame wars! i made my point.. muehehehe)

How can you prove this? This is subjective opinion, it's may vary from person to person.

The fact remains that you're arguing against numbers and data, lossless is lossless. If like our previous discussion where you mentioned hardware, software, intermediary (recording/remastering/etc) differences I would understand that there's definitely some discrepancies. Some of the times vinyl would even beat remastered tracks outright. But does that mean that it is the end all for the issue?

If you're truly interested, why not organize a double-blind test involving vinyl vs digital recordings? I'll volunteer immediately. Similar to audio cable debates or high fidelity audio debates, it would go nowhere without a scientific approach. Other than your statement stating that vinyl beats all, or differences between Flac/wav/ape or even the Apple Lossless format. Otherwise the speaker companies are just throwing their money into water for doing double blind tests with their R&D isn't it?

This post has been edited by Yuki Ijuin: Apr 14 2011, 01:02 PM

because some distortions sounds nice. This is why tubes are often preferred.


You have to ask yourself whether you want accuracy or a certain preference in distortion. Distortion =/= accuracy. Merely preference.

LG put it better than me in just two lines. I feel ashamed.

i think you got the concept of lossless totally wrong....when you rip from a digital to another digital format....lossless with give the identical sound quality (i am talking about the format giving the identical sound...not the equipment used)

when you do an analog vs digital comparison is lossless has nothing to do with it....it all boils down to the mastering of the digital format...

in an analog curve, the curve is smooth and when you convert it to digital, this curve is converted using sampling rates (44.1khz or 96khz)....the higher the rate, the smoother the curve is but it is impossible to attain a perfectly smooth curve therefore digital will always be inferior to analog but there a lot of things that you could do with digital which analog is not able to achieve.....imagine sending audio signal to another place....digital would not degrade as it is all 0 and 1 but if you send analog signal ....even the best analog equipment would degrade the sound due to the distances that the signal has been sent.....

as for the DAC, all DAC sound differently although they use the same chipset is not because the chipset sound differently....the DAC chip will sound identical but after converting it to analog, the analog design circuit and the electronics used are the one that make the difference.....

This post has been edited by Fusion: Apr 14 2011, 01:24 PM

That is untrue.

If the sampling rate is high enough, you can recreate the required waveform no problem. No such thing as "unsmooth" curves. EDIT: In both context of "pure analog" or "Digital -> analog" systems there is no such thing as "perfect" waves.

Pure Analog is more susceptible to noise in fact. The waveform is most likely uglier than a properly done digital -> analog system.

This post has been edited by LittleGhost: Apr 14 2011, 01:41 PM

in a Pure analog system, the waveform is most likely uglier than a digital because of the pressing (vinyl) and the analog equipments used to pick up the signal.....i dont think it is possible to pick up a perfect signal from analog source....what i meant from the explanation above is the comparison of the digital and analog signal at its purest form....in any conversion of analog to digital or digital to analog, it is impossible to have a perfect conversion without any lost of details....

so ugly waveform give rise to horrible sound? ....

that one liner should be more than enough. fact being 1 side (digital side) can be proven with numbers, and if want, DBT's. while the other side, cant and are all baseless claims.

of course, audio/listening etc is all subjective and if analog sounds better to a person, then thats that. however if you're going to make a claim to prove one thing is wrong to another person that is on disbelief with you, please do bring up solid facts/numbers/test results (DBT for example) etc else you're not making your point/fact clear/known across. and thats a waste of your own time, and everyone else's

pointing out the fact that digital does not mean that the "sampling" technique introduces "steps". All equipments' sampling rates adhere to Nyquist Rate (edit:higher than 2x highest frequency) and they have no issues reproducing required signal. Bear in mind the signals after conversion is further filtered using a low pass filter to produce smooth waveform. So the statement "pure analog" systems produce "smoother" waveform is untrue.

Ya.

but some people like to listen to slightly deformed waveform. Nothing wrong with that either.

This post has been edited by LittleGhost: Apr 14 2011, 05:15 PM

Voodoo magician spotted.