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post Jul 14 2007, 07:54 AM

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Anybody having cheaper gigabyte mobos besides the P35-DQ6? Like P35-DS3 or P35-DS3R?

What's the average overclocking ability of this mobo (fsb), especially the DS3? I'm planning to get this mobo together with the E6750......

Not much review on DS3 although some reviews on DS3R showed that this mobo can go up to 500Mhz on FSB.....
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post Jul 14 2007, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(extremeocer @ Jul 14 2007, 11:54 AM)
My DQ6 could do 600FSB but right now i am limited by my CPU...running stable 4.3Ghz on a e6600. DS3 should be able to have the same performance. Heat is ur enemy...always have a good cooling.
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DS3's heatsinks is nothing compared to DQ6. I do hope that the DS3 can be a good overclocker too. I know DQ6 rocks but so is the price sweat.gif

As for cooling, I'm going for the xigmatek S1283!!!
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post Jul 14 2007, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Jul 14 2007, 03:50 PM)
err... my CPU-z show tat my rated FSB is 1600... does it means 800...? blink.gif
refer here...
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It's running at 400Mhz quad-pumped = 1600Mhz. I don't have an Intel rig (YET!) but I think that's what it means..... nod.gif

QUOTE(pedas @ Jul 14 2007, 04:02 PM)
hey... DS3 is a good mobo also.... using it right now. so far don hv problem with the board. hv done 100%OC.
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100% OC meaning your FSB is at 400 Mhz right? Or did you lower the multiplier?

BTW, how high can the FSB go on your DS3? Really interested to know.....

If I get the E6750, 400Mhz only means that I can OC 8x400=3.2 Ghz only!

I want to go higher! Of course, hopefully my proc can go higher....... smile.gif

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QUOTE(§layerXT @ Jul 14 2007, 07:03 PM)
@kmarc, 100% oc means doubling the clock speed. Or maybe some people have their own principle...
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I know what he meant. 100% meaning from 1.8 Ghz to 3.6 Ghz. If he used 9x multiplier, that means he would have to increase the bus speed from 200Mhz to 400Mhz, wouldn't he?
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post Jul 26 2007, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Jul 26 2007, 04:09 PM)
but both same speed and multiplier wor... hmm.gif  for me is juz RM80 diff... brows.gif
I got ~RM1000 to spend on CPU+mobo... which 1 should i take...?

GA-P35-DQ6 + Intel PDC 2140/2160
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GA-P35-DS3 + Intel C2D E6750

I already got a GA-965P-DS4 + C2D E6300 but need another rig for my bro... so i wanna upgrade mine and give the balance to my bro... tongue.gif
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I think the 2nd option is better as I just acquired the same configuration - GA-P35-DS3 + E6750.

I did much research on gigabyte mobos and found that the GA-P35-DS3 was suitable for me. Single PCI-E x16, ultradurable 2 features and no raid. Not much review on this board but I think it is equivalent to the GA-P35-DS3R mobo (which is only different by having the ICH9R chipset which includes the raid function). In terms of OC, this mobo is supposed to be able to go up to 490-500Mhz bus speed)

So far, I've tried a bus speed of 420Mhz and it worked flawlessly (at stock MCH/FSB voltages).

For the E6750, the only problem compared to the E6850 is the 8x multiplier. If you want to aim for 4Ghz (dunno whether possible or not), you would need a bus speed of 500Mhz!!!

So far, I'm orthosing my E6750 at 1.35v (stock voltage) at 3280Mhz. That's the highest stable OC I can get on stock voltage. Probably try higher voltages later.....
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QUOTE(rockmaniac85 @ Jul 26 2007, 06:04 PM)
orthosing.. now that's a new word...

but yeah, the 2nd option is the better one "IN CASE* you're not gonna change your proc or mobo anytime soon. if you're planning for d proc soon, then the 1st option is nice.. once gathered lots of money, jus change the proc to a better performing one..
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Orthosing? Nah, already used this word since dunno when....

Don't forget that most, if not all, P35 mobos are supposed to support the upcoming Intel 45nm CPUs e.g. penryn. That's the reason I got this mobo. Another reason why I got the E6750 instead of the E6850/Q6600. Planning to go for the penryn family of CPUs in the future..... rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 27 2007, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Jul 27 2007, 09:14 PM)

err... my GA-965P-DS4 can do 500x7 wif E6300 but Orthos 3 sec then error and full load temp at 62... sweat.gif but voltage at 1.38V... don really wanna go for higher voltage... sweat.gif
Aaaa.... orthos 3 sec then already error? That's not stable la. For me, at least 6-12 hours of orthos before I even consider it "at least" stable.

Still waiting for my xigmatek before I OC further as my core temp is already about 55'c on stock heatsink at 3.28Ghz at 1.35v. (using easytuner5, not using core temp as it shows 6'c lower temperature)
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QUOTE(rockmaniac85 @ Jul 27 2007, 10:49 PM)
yeah, happen to me as well, orthos 3 sec then got error, when increase fsb to 500Mhz..

increase to 530MHz also can, but still the same ol error larr..

mmg tak stable once hit the wall larr, and i guess the wall is at 450MHz for me..
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How high did you set your vMCH and vFSB?
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QUOTE(rockmaniac85 @ Jul 28 2007, 07:49 PM)
set both of em to +0.2V, then set fsb to 450MHz.. still orthos failed after 3 sec..

i can increase vMCH and vFSB to +0.3V, but would it work?

when i set my orthos priority to 10, it seems stable.... normally i set my orthos priority at a default 1..

sorry, im actually quite a n00b in oc'ing...

hope you guys can help.. thanx..
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A higher vMCH will enable you to go higher on your bus speed. However, I'm not too sure about vFSB as some people claims that it doesn't do anything. Maybe a +0.1v just to make the system more stable???

I noticed you set your rams at 4-4-4-9 at 430Mhz. Was your rams at this setting when you increase the bus speed to 450Mhz? If so, it could be because of your rams. In that case, either loosen the timings, or reduce the ram speed. Alternatively, you need to find the max ram speed at each setting first before you OC your CPU.

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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Jul 29 2007, 11:08 AM)
ooo... i didn't notice tat in my boss's new DS3... blink.gif
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I'm not at home to test out my DS3 but I think the TRD option is hidden. In the main bios menu, just press Ctrl + F1, then go into the section for overclocking.
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QUOTE(rockmaniac85 @ Jul 29 2007, 01:54 PM)
what's the suitable voltage to be set on vMCH? will +0.1v sufficient?

btw, when i set my fsb at 450MHz, my timing were 5-5-5-15.. still get that hardware failure error while orthosing (after 3 sec error)..

i don't think it's coz the ram, since if there's any problem with the ram, the pc will restarted terus..  that's what happen when i torture my ram too much.. the error i get is a rounding failure (saying expected must get 0.4 but then got 0.5.. some calculation thing during orthos.. calculation is cpu based rite?)

but i might be wrong too, im an inexperienced oc'er..
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Try to read up on guides to overclocking the C2D.

It is advisable to find the limit of each component before you OC your whole rig. By this, I mean you have to find the max OC for your CPU, RAM and mobo(FSB) separately.

There are a lot of guides that teaches you on how to OC your CPU while taking the RAMs and FSB out of the equation. Also vice versa on the RAMS and mobo. Once you know the limit of each component, then it is easier to OC your whole rig while bearing in mind the limit of each component. smile.gif
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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Jul 29 2007, 07:09 PM)
tat kinda difficult cuz most hardware i see even same batch got diff limit...

BTW... wat does TRD do...? hmm.gif
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Exactly. That's why in the world of OC, you need to find out the max OC for each component.

tRD = tRAS = tRA = Row Active Delay. It is a RAM sub-timing setting, usually quoted as the 4th parameter i.e. 3-3-3-9
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QUOTE(darude87 @ Jul 29 2007, 07:41 PM)
sad,just found out, my board really locked vcore, there's no solution for it, sigh...
the only way i guess is changing board,really disappointed with MSI already

btw mine is 945pl
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Wow! This is the first time I've seen a mobo that cannot change vcore. Looks like it's true. Look here : http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=pr...no=170&cat3_no=

Did you try any other software like Rightmark CPU clock?
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post Jul 29 2007, 10:22 PM

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Errr... I don't think it is stable. Look at the cache readings - L1 Trace is showing "12 Kuops"??? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Are_keem @ Jul 29 2007, 10:25 PM)
so, what's the stable value? me still noob at OC..
just trying mild OC to test how far it can go..
huhu..
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You need to stress your rig to see whether it is stable or not. Some stress programs are Orthos and OCCT.....

QUOTE(darude87 @ Jul 29 2007, 11:02 PM)
still noob in oc  sweat.gif 
tried to google after reading your post, don't know how to use the cpuclock utility
b4 this tried to use msi corecentre, it shows N/A there

edit: it shows both in grey for multiplier and vcore, i guess its really locked kao kao  sweat.gif
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OIC, maybe get a new mobo? laugh.gif
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post Jul 30 2007, 02:33 PM

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Finally had a chance to test out my new rig.

On my P35-DS3, I'm stuck at 475mhz bus speed. This is at stock voltages for everything including vMCH.

No matter what I do, increase the vMCH, vFSB, vPCI-E, my mobo would hang at 480Mhz. I even tried jumping directly to 500Mhz but not successful!

Any ideas how to overcome this 480mhz wall? Or is it my CPU wall? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jul 30 2007, 03:54 PM)
probably, your MCH and/or CPU needs better cooling. Don trust the Hardware monitoring, touch the NB hsf and it burns your finger, telling you it's impossible to be 41C


Added on July 30, 2007, 4:10 pm

If u've not known, the P35s from giga will do 500+fsb @ default voltages. even on stock volt..it's burning hot, so it's not a gd idea to add more vMch.
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Ya. I did touch my NB heatsink. Not burning la, just feels warm. (Oh ya, my rig is naked! laugh.gif No casing.....)

I was googling around and found that the E6x50 series may have a CPU fsb wall of 490Mhz. Could be because of this reason. Anyway, will have to wait for my new CPU heatsink first, I guess.
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jul 30 2007, 04:32 PM)
Did you remove the thermal gunk on the NB n replace it with AS5 or something? Weird, mine is burning hot, cant put my fingers for more than 3secs. I've replaced it with AS5.
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No. I didn't remove the NB.

OIC, you're using the S3L. Mine is DS3. Slightly larger heatsink, but nothing compared to DQ6!!!! See pic. smile.gif

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QUOTE(rockmaniac85 @ Jul 31 2007, 01:23 PM)
Guys Guys, this may sound really really really n00b, but seriously, i really have no idea how to manually set the dram frequency for my mobo..

the only way to "set" is by changing the fsb:dram divider thing.. and the least  i can set is to 1:1 ratio.. thus, the dram freq will always be equal to fsb freq, i can't make the dram freq lower than the fsb freq

so kmarc, as you said, that i need to find the max my cpu can oc without oc'ing the ram, how will i b able to do that, as when i oc my cpu, my ram get oc'ed as well? loosen the timings really really goddamn hard? or anything else u can teach me? i will be very much appreaciated..
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Errr... but you have the P965-DS3 mobo wor.... Can't you lower the rams from 800Mhz to 667Mhz? That should be possible, because if not, how does this mobo support DDR2-667?

I never used the P965 before but maybe you can ask in the P965 thread on how to set the rams.

If that is not possible, there's 2 alternatives:
1) As kuchingfight suggested, loosen your rams to 5-5-5-15 or even higher e.g. 5-6-6-18
2) Find the maximum ram speed. That way, if you max ram speed is 500mhz (i.e. DDR2 1000mhz), then at least you know that you are nearing your limit if your bus speed is nearing the limit for the rams.... smile.gif
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jul 31 2007, 04:08 PM)
wow..500fsb on E2xxx is indeed something new to me. Suprisingly the FSB wall hasnt come in place.. possible to add a CPUz screenie?
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Yeah, no wall meh? My CPU has hit the wall so many times, dunno how many bruises adi.... rclxub.gif

Once hit 480Mhz, straight reboot.... doh.gif Will try higher vcore later once my new heatsink comes.... smile.gif

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