Actually what is the correct actual water pressure for the house? Before we need a pump to boost up.
[WTA] Grundfos Water Pump, CH-PT or CH-PC
[WTA] Grundfos Water Pump, CH-PT or CH-PC
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Jul 22 2011, 11:42 AM
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Actually what is the correct actual water pressure for the house? Before we need a pump to boost up.
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Jul 22 2011, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 22 2011, 11:44 AM) Don't there there is any reference. Maybe Max pressure yes. Low pressure is personal preference and equipments you have. Most of the water equipment like shower head etc have a min pressure requirement to function. And max pressure too before damage or burst your pipe. Or buying unneccessary pump to boost just base on the individual feeling that the water pressure is low. I think suppose to have a general guide water pressure for the house which people can measure about. |
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Jul 22 2011, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 22 2011, 02:13 PM) Have seen u commenting a lot in reno thread, r u still renovating ur house? Pipes will not burst, if u got the right person to do your plumbing work, there is no way pipes will burst. For landed properties with 4-5 bathrooms the best pump to get is Grundfos CH2-50PC. Landed property will definitely have weak water pressure as the water flow down from the tank which is 1-2 story above your bathrooms, the gravity pressure is weak. Condo on the other hand have strong pressure bcoz the water tank is like 5-10 floors above your unit (depending which floor u r at), so the gravity pressure is strong and you will have strong water pressure. Want to gather more info and new tech. So make no mistake when time renovate come. I believe in logic and number. So just tell pressure low/high is like Infiniti to me. Getting a pump is an option to me.The running cost is my main consent. I still looking into gravity way to increase the pressure. I m getting some meter to check my bathroom and kitchen water pressure. |
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Jul 23 2011, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 22 2011, 11:27 PM) In this case, I got to built a tower water tank. |
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Jul 23 2011, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 23 2011, 12:00 AM) Yeah, the higher ur tank, the stronger the water pressure but will do that? Many plumbers and customers tried to boost water pressure by changing pipes to bigger ones, use direct water and etc but all of the methods do not work and a water pump is the only solution. Here is an example, the plumber advised my customer to change the piping near the water tank to bigger pipes, the connection for basin taps use PVC pipes instead of flexible hose. The total cost is RM 300+, here is what she got. Low pressure not just come from the high of the tank. Too many elbow, corner, valve and incorrect piping size will reduce the pressure too.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Jul 27 2011, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Jul 26 2011, 02:58 PM) hey just wanna ask since its related to pump... Normally the tank sit on the concrete slab. No?how do we actually upgrade the water tank side.. for those that is kept between the roof and ceiling ? cause usually the height is equal to the space between the support roofing frame.. so if i want ta have a bigger tank how do i do it ?, other than hooking up another tank ? I upgrade it to 2 tank and sit on the concrete slab. it can withstand the weight of 2 tank. |
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Jul 29 2011, 02:03 PM
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The bill not killing you for 24/7?
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Oct 3 2011, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 2 2011, 03:27 PM) Incoming from water heater need to be pressurized, so you need to have pump before going into the water heater. Can I ask why the water heater need to be pressurized? He is using the storage type. Not instant type. Also advice from my friend that also use grundfos pump, don't use cheap plastic tap or rubber hose because it will crack often. He change 2 to 3 tap each year, and rubber hose (bidet hose). Now using brass / S.S tap no problem. Do the hot water need that high pressure since the mixing of hot water flow is less than the cold water. Something like 2:1 or 3:1 which cold water is more. If 1:1 probally the hot water is not that hot? |
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Oct 5 2011, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 3 2011, 11:11 AM) Depend on the piping configuration you may end up even lower / no water pressure to the water heater. E.g. If the tank only have one outgoing pipe and is connect to a T where one go to a direct water heater and another go to the pump, the pump may have suck all the water and you leave so little pressure to flow to the water heater. Another problem if the storage tank is install slightly higher than the water tank you have lots of problem. If base on my experiennce (half cook only An experience plumber will be able to advice you. Also, the storage water heater run on 3Kwatt, it don't have adjustment so for a 10 mins bath the storage should have enough hot water. And remember to put a bypass in case you need to service the water heater. When I visit those 4season country house, normally the hot water pressure is low. What I know is to save the hot water. Flowing high and fast will waste alot since hot water need energy to heat. And when you shower, you mix cold water more than the hot water. Something like 2:1 or 3:1 ratio depend how hot can you stand. Added on October 5, 2011, 10:48 am QUOTE(zheilwane @ Oct 4 2011, 11:02 PM) u will definitely use more water with a rain shower compared with a hand shower... but u will enjoy it. Most of my customers told me, once u used Rain shower, u wotn wanna use back the old instant heater's shower But I read alot that suppose the rain shower invent is to save water?This post has been edited by ozak: Oct 5 2011, 10:48 AM |
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Oct 11 2011, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 10 2011, 11:47 PM) yes its on ground floor, cause single story , no "upper-cement" slab/platform place to place it.. It is pretty common to have extra tank at the ground floor in others country. Why not here. My friend house have 6 tank for his 1st storey house!my place its LAP , piping too old, and full of shit/rust/sand/soil what ever, water pressure damn low... need about 5 mins plus to fill my toilet flush so need a big tank to keep additional water Even I have 2 tank link, auto feedback when no water from syabas for entire house. Can last me few day. |
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Oct 11 2011, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 11 2011, 10:24 AM) WHATTT ? 6 tanks ? how big is each tank , when i saw my tank i was like, damn its super big.. Really. I don't believe too till he show me. He plan system is some tank use, solar -> pump -> tank - flushing toilet.how big is your 2 tanks ozak ? suddenly feel like wanting to build a rain water harvesting system what do you mean by "auto-feedback" ?? care to explain the connection/piping for it His tank is bigger than your 1. But compact and save space. Here is 1 of the tank pic. ![]() My tank is normal square black plastic with cover.(Name something like Polytrex). Normally you see ontop of the house. Forget how many liter liau. I calculate the daily usage liter and how many day I want to reserve before get a right size water tank. (But forget to calculate the vaporise When no water from syabas, the tank will auto supply the water to entire house including the main pipe like kitchen etc. Just modify some piping and put in a check valve after the meter and the bypass pipe that supply water to your tank. Sorry, lazy to draw. |
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Oct 11 2011, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 11 2011, 01:32 PM) @ozak Not each segment. 6 pcs of this whole tank. The remain at another side, side of his house and garden. He just keep buying when got good offer. Crazy. oh those kind of tank is usually used for rainwater storage can be "re-purposed" to be water tank also, but kinda hard to find suppliers and its not that cheap also.. just curious, your friend has 6 of those *in the picture you shared*, cause each 1 of those is considered a tank.. or your friend calculate each segment as a tank ? oh okie using a check valve, noted Cost around rm3k each. Never see this kind of tank here. Good for locate at the side of the house for those single storey house. |
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Oct 14 2011, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 14 2011, 08:51 PM) hey guys just a dumb/curious question Why cannot? Just pipe out from the roof tank. Put a ball shutoff for the ground tank. When fill up, the ball will shutoff. The main pipe continue fill up the roof tank.let's say i got 2 tanks.. 1 on the roof(100gal) and the other on the ground floor(500gal) how do i let my roof tank fill up first before filling up my ground floor tank.. i can't pipe the roof tank to fill the ground floor tank, cause that will cause all the water to fill the ground floor tank which leads the roof tank to be empty most of the time... |
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Oct 14 2011, 10:36 PM
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Oct 28 2011, 10:32 AM
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Mar 11 2012, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 11 2012, 11:48 AM) regarding the NRV , how good is the "seal" ? My 1 insall since day 1. Never change before.usually the pump pressure is higher than incoming.. one.. if the NRV seal isn't good.. the meter run terbalik and get no water at all ? or its somehow equalize ? cause im planning to do a "auto-bypass" for pump when got power trip/no electric.. I install it after the water filter, tap and meter. So when change filter, I have a chance to know is the seal working or not. |
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Mar 20 2012, 05:39 PM
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What is the pump pressure PSI you guys maintain for your home?
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Mar 21 2012, 09:26 AM
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4bar = 60psi wor. Is that normally pump maintain pressure and normal pressure?
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Apr 2 2012, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Mar 19 2012, 02:49 PM) I have no video and manual. How much is the water pressure tank and the size? What brand is good since this is underpressure tank and safety is the consent.It is simple. Look at this pic. Just like pumping car/bicycle tire except that you have to use a (tyre) air pressure guage to check the pressure of the air inside after filling. Actually you can take the whole tank out after shutting the water supply and take it to petrol station to fill the air and then put back. That is much much work and make sure no leaking at the water inlet. [attachmentid=2745188] Added on March 19, 2012, 2:54 pm clever |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Apr 3 2012, 12:19 PM) Always read the instruction manual of the tank. There is a limit to the pressure it can take and follow the instruction and the safety limit is over 20% standard engineering practice. Also check your piping how great the pressure it can take, usually no problem. Thre is no danger that when it burst and hurt because the pressure is only few bars. The only thing is problem when the old tank leaks. When it leak or no air in the tank the pump will keep on and off within second. So you know before problem getting bigger. What is the price for such a tank?what i do is I took out the rubber balloon and apply a layer of neutral silicone on the inside of the tank to prevent corrosion. Never use acid base silicone it will corrode the metal/iron tank immediately. neutral silicone is double the price of acid silicone. Silicone is better than a layer or coats of paint as it is waterproof. Paint still absorbs water and be dissolved over time. Your tank with coat of silicone last you many years double and triple the life span of the tank. Also silicone screw holes and the nuts itself and the whole connecting plate. Screw on when the silicone is still wet. Can the tank be put outside expose to sun? Will the hot weather increase the air pressure inside and get burst. Either tank side or pipe side. |
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