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 [WTA] Grundfos Water Pump, CH-PT or CH-PC

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post Jul 22 2011, 11:42 AM

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Actually what is the correct actual water pressure for the house? Before we need a pump to boost up.
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post Jul 22 2011, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 22 2011, 11:44 AM)
Don't there there is any reference. Maybe Max pressure yes. Low pressure is personal preference and equipments you have.
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Most of the water equipment like shower head etc have a min pressure requirement to function. And max pressure too before damage or burst your pipe. Or buying unneccessary pump to boost just base on the individual feeling that the water pressure is low. I think suppose to have a general guide water pressure for the house which people can measure about.
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post Jul 22 2011, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 22 2011, 02:13 PM)
Have seen u commenting a lot in reno thread, r u still renovating ur house? Pipes will not burst, if u got the right person to do your plumbing work, there is no way pipes will burst. For landed properties with 4-5 bathrooms the best pump to get is Grundfos CH2-50PC. Landed property will definitely have weak water pressure as the water flow down from the tank which is 1-2 story above your bathrooms, the gravity pressure is weak. Condo on the other hand have strong pressure bcoz the water tank is like 5-10 floors above your unit (depending which floor u r at), so the gravity pressure is strong and you will have strong water pressure.
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Want to gather more info and new tech. So make no mistake when time renovate come. I believe in logic and number. So just tell pressure low/high is like Infiniti to me.

Getting a pump is an option to me.The running cost is my main consent. I still looking into gravity way to increase the pressure. I m getting some meter to check my bathroom and kitchen water pressure.
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 22 2011, 11:27 PM)
Want to make gravity in work, lift your water tank by 4 to 5 feet, you see pressure increase.
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In this case, I got to built a tower water tank. biggrin.gif actually downstairs bathroom have a good pressure. Just incoming main and upstairs is lower pressure. And I have modify my house water system to have kickback system.
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 23 2011, 12:00 AM)
Yeah, the higher ur tank, the stronger the water pressure but will do that? Many plumbers and customers tried to boost water pressure by changing pipes to bigger ones, use direct water and etc but all of the methods do not work and a water pump is the only solution. Here is an example, the plumber advised my customer to change the piping near the water tank to bigger pipes, the connection for basin taps use PVC pipes instead of flexible hose. The total cost is RM 300+, here is what she got.

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Low pressure not just come from the high of the tank. Too many elbow, corner, valve and incorrect piping size will reduce the pressure too.
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post Jul 27 2011, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Jul 26 2011, 02:58 PM)
hey just wanna ask since its related to pump...

how do we actually upgrade the water tank side..

for those that is kept between the roof and ceiling ?

cause usually the height is equal to the space between the support roofing frame.. so if i want ta have a bigger tank how do i do it ?,

other than hooking up another tank ?
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Normally the tank sit on the concrete slab. No?

I upgrade it to 2 tank and sit on the concrete slab. it can withstand the weight of 2 tank.
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post Jul 29 2011, 02:03 PM

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The bill not killing you for 24/7?
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post Oct 3 2011, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 2 2011, 03:27 PM)
Incoming from water heater need to be pressurized, so you need to have pump before going into the water heater.

Also advice from my friend that also use grundfos pump, don't use cheap plastic tap or rubber hose because it will crack often. He change 2 to 3 tap each year, and rubber hose (bidet hose). Now using brass / S.S tap no problem.
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Can I ask why the water heater need to be pressurized? He is using the storage type. Not instant type.

Do the hot water need that high pressure since the mixing of hot water flow is less than the cold water. Something like 2:1 or 3:1 which cold water is more. If 1:1 probally the hot water is not that hot? hmm.gif
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post Oct 5 2011, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 3 2011, 11:11 AM)
Depend on the piping configuration you may end up even lower / no water pressure to the water heater. E.g. If the tank only have one outgoing pipe and is connect to a T where one go to a direct water heater and another go to the pump, the pump may have suck all the water and you leave so little pressure to flow to the water heater. Another problem if the storage tank is install slightly higher than the water tank you have lots of problem.

An experience plumber will be able to advice you.
Also, the storage water heater run on 3Kwatt, it don't have adjustment so for a 10 mins bath the storage should have enough hot water.
And remember to put a bypass in case you need to service the water heater.
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If base on my experiennce (half cook only blush.gif ) I will T out from the main before go in to the tank. Since it is a storage heater type, it don't need high pressure. The hot water always inside the tank. And with a 60 liter of hot water in the tank the pressure itself is enough to push. Have you see before those old house with a storage heater on top just beside the shower or just ontop bathroom?

When I visit those 4season country house, normally the hot water pressure is low. What I know is to save the hot water. Flowing high and fast will waste alot since hot water need energy to heat. And when you shower, you mix cold water more than the hot water. Something like 2:1 or 3:1 ratio depend how hot can you stand.


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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Oct 4 2011, 11:02 PM)
u will definitely use more water with a rain shower compared with a hand shower... but u will enjoy it. Most of my customers told me, once u used Rain shower, u wotn wanna use back the old instant heater's shower
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But I read alot that suppose the rain shower invent is to save water?

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post Oct 11 2011, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 10 2011, 11:47 PM)
yes its on ground floor, cause single story , no "upper-cement" slab/platform place to place it..

my place its LAP , piping too old, and full of shit/rust/sand/soil what ever, water pressure damn low...  need about 5 mins plus to fill my toilet flush

so need a big tank to keep additional water smile.gif
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It is pretty common to have extra tank at the ground floor in others country. Why not here. My friend house have 6 tank for his 1st storey house!

Even I have 2 tank link, auto feedback when no water from syabas for entire house. Can last me few day.
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post Oct 11 2011, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 11 2011, 10:24 AM)
WHATTT ? 6 tanks ? how big is each tank , when i saw my tank i was like, damn its super big..

how big is your 2 tanks ozak ?

suddenly feel like wanting to build a rain water harvesting system smile.gif

what do you mean by "auto-feedback" ?? care to explain the connection/piping for it
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Really. I don't believe too till he show me. He plan system is some tank use, solar -> pump -> tank - flushing toilet.

His tank is bigger than your 1. But compact and save space. Here is 1 of the tank pic.

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My tank is normal square black plastic with cover.(Name something like Polytrex). Normally you see ontop of the house. Forget how many liter liau. I calculate the daily usage liter and how many day I want to reserve before get a right size water tank. (But forget to calculate the vaporise sad.gif ) Endup need 2 tank.

When no water from syabas, the tank will auto supply the water to entire house including the main pipe like kitchen etc. Just modify some piping and put in a check valve after the meter and the bypass pipe that supply water to your tank. Sorry, lazy to draw. tongue.gif


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post Oct 11 2011, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 11 2011, 01:32 PM)
@ozak

oh those kind of tank is usually used for rainwater storage can be "re-purposed" to be water tank also, but kinda hard to find suppliers and its not that cheap also.. sad.gif

just curious, your friend has 6 of those *in the picture you shared*, cause each 1 of those is considered a tank.. or your friend calculate each segment as a tank ?

oh okie using a check valve, noted smile.gif
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Not each segment. 6 pcs of this whole tank. The remain at another side, side of his house and garden. He just keep buying when got good offer. Crazy. rclxub.gif

Cost around rm3k each. Never see this kind of tank here. Good for locate at the side of the house for those single storey house.

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post Oct 14 2011, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 14 2011, 08:51 PM)
hey guys just a dumb/curious question

let's say i got 2 tanks..

1 on the roof(100gal) and the other on the ground floor(500gal)

how do i let my roof tank fill up first before filling up my ground floor tank..

i can't pipe the roof tank to fill the ground floor tank, cause that will cause all the water to fill the ground floor tank which leads the roof tank to be empty most of the time...
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Why cannot? Just pipe out from the roof tank. Put a ball shutoff for the ground tank. When fill up, the ball will shutoff. The main pipe continue fill up the roof tank.
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post Oct 14 2011, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Oct 14 2011, 10:02 PM)
cannot cause the top tank will be drained first..

so like zhen said.. need to have an outlet that is higher... smile.gif then the main outlet of the top tank smile.gif
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Eh.. Your ground tank always empty?
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post Oct 28 2011, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(khairul@anwar @ Oct 28 2011, 08:35 AM)
If thqt the case .... what we can do to imrpove it ?  icon_question.gif
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Do your home have a water tank? If have, the pump can take the water from the tank.
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post Mar 11 2012, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 11 2012, 11:48 AM)
regarding the NRV , how good is the "seal" ?

usually the pump pressure is higher than incoming.. one..

if the NRV seal isn't good.. the meter run terbalik and get no water at all ? or its somehow equalize ?

cause im planning to do a "auto-bypass" for pump when got power trip/no electric..
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My 1 insall since day 1. Never change before.

I install it after the water filter, tap and meter. So when change filter, I have a chance to know is the seal working or not.
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post Mar 20 2012, 05:39 PM

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What is the pump pressure PSI you guys maintain for your home?
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post Mar 21 2012, 09:26 AM

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4bar = 60psi wor. Is that normally pump maintain pressure and normal pressure?
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post Apr 2 2012, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Mar 19 2012, 02:49 PM)
I have no video and manual.

It is simple. Look at this pic. Just like pumping car/bicycle tire except that you have to use a (tyre) air pressure guage to check the pressure of the air inside after filling.

Actually you can take the whole tank out after shutting the water supply and take it to petrol station to fill the air and then put back. That is much much work and make sure no leaking at the water inlet.
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How much is the water pressure tank and the size? What brand is good since this is underpressure tank and safety is the consent.
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Apr 3 2012, 12:19 PM)
Always read the instruction manual of the tank. There is a limit to the pressure it can take and follow the instruction and the safety limit is over 20% standard engineering practice. Also check your piping how great the pressure it can take, usually no problem. Thre is no danger that when it burst and hurt because the pressure is only few bars. The only thing is problem when the old tank leaks. When it leak or no air in the tank the pump will keep on and off within second. So you know before problem getting bigger.

what i do is I took out the rubber balloon and apply a layer of neutral silicone on the inside of the tank to prevent corrosion. Never use acid base silicone it will corrode the metal/iron tank immediately. neutral silicone is double the price of acid silicone. Silicone is better than a layer or coats of paint as it is waterproof. Paint still absorbs water and be dissolved over time. Your tank with coat of silicone last you many years double and triple the life span of the tank. Also silicone screw holes and the nuts itself and the whole connecting plate. Screw on when the silicone is still wet.
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What is the price for such a tank?

Can the tank be put outside expose to sun? Will the hot weather increase the air pressure inside and get burst. Either tank side or pipe side.

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