speed upgrade got nothing to do with the result if you 1A both army...

marines > everything. nuff said.

sc2 is still too young to put conclusion in everything. the player standard is not there yet to determine what BO counters what BO. guess we wont be surprised in another 8-10 years everyone will be understanding the game so well starcraft 2 will be all about executing build orders and 1 small mistake will cost you the game. even in GSL finals now we can see loop holes is play.

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Added on April 4, 2011, 6:19 pmexample:

time
pre GSL 2 - baneling counters marine
GSL 2 - FoxeR counters banelings
after GSL 2 - foxer's marine micro is pre-requisite to be even called a good terran

when time goes by, overall players' standard will improve and change the meaning of counter.

not to mention there will be endless patch coming out in the future.

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Apr 4 2011, 06:19 PM

in tvt, marines can win tank if you can get a good flank or catch them off guard.

Imo, marines are like mutalisk of zerg, forcefield of protoss, the skill cap is so high even if u have only imba understanding and micro of the above 3 units can win you the game.