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post Mar 30 2011, 03:43 PM

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Think you have em all covered there.

My grip strength went through the roof when I started doing pull ups. Thicker bar helped it as well. Downside of the thicker bar is that it gives me bad callouses, ripping them quite frequently.

Edit - Found this: http://www.criticalbench.com/wrist-grip-forearm-strength.htm

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post Mar 30 2011, 04:06 PM

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pronated grip for daedlift
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I duno whether powerball exercise could help in developing grip strength or nt.. bt it is more to wrist exercise..
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post Mar 30 2011, 06:23 PM

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Plate pinch!

I take 2X10kgs plate per side and then walk around with it.

2 in 1 = Win!
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post Mar 30 2011, 08:52 PM

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You probably already know this but grip strength can be divided into 3 main areas:

Crushing Grip

Pinch Grip

Support Grip

Crushing Grip is something like a handshake, so it can be trained with Grippers. Anybody here have the CoC ones? I've never tried them before, the most I have are those cheap ones

Pinch Grip is all about finger strength. You can do what Pedro mentioned, or you can use lighter plates in more quantities (instead of 2x10kg, try 4x5kg). My personal favourite exercise for Pinch Grip is found here - http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/grip_training_for_the_deadlift ://http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...r_the_deadlift , the 2 handed pinch grip deadlift. Pinch grip training can make your finger muscles extremely sore!

Support Grip can be trained by farmer's walks, it's basically about holding onto something heavy.

May I ask if you have a specific purpose in mind to improve grip strength (i.e. for a certain exercise?) or do you want a general improvement? Personally I have Fat Gripz, and I use them on most of my exercises and they do work the grip heavily, especially when you go past 6 reps. Saves me time too, because I don't have to do many extra exercises.
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post Mar 31 2011, 08:54 AM

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Am a big guy(>95kgs),previously could only do 2-3 chinups then grip would give way,now I can manage 5X10 reasonably well.

Grip training helps a lot!

Start light and take your time,it takes quite a while and sometimes your hand will get sore.

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This is basically how it looks like,just apply maximum force from all fingers.

Sometimes its hard to drive after this training,lol

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Hoxy, since you listed deadlift as the first goal, I really suggest you take a look at the T-Nation link I posted in the last post. Also, I'd really recommend you get a pair of Fat Gripz. I have a friend who was selling them in Singapore (he doesn't deliver though), where do you stay?

I personally use Fat Gripz on all pushing exercises (presses), and occasionally on pulling exercises like one arm DB rows. That combined with the Deadlift Grip program I mentioned earlier gave me very good results. Just be cautious when you get the Fat Gripz, do not overdo it. When I first used them, my grip strength would fail before my muscles did, and that's normal, but over time it's not a problem anymore.

I'll just a share a little bit of my experience, the reason I want to have a strong grip is so that I can use it in real life. Don't forget that the wrist is also an integral part of your grip as well. The following articles should help you get some background on using thick bars (which can be replaced by Fat Gripz) and also some grip training + wrist work:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMul...f_Training.aspx

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMul...iki_Budo_p.aspx

The deadlift program mentioned earlier really helped me improve my grip and was very good because it transferred specifically to barbell lifting. That can be a good starting point for you. Just always keep in mind to take things slow, the last thing you want is to injure yourself by diving too quickly into grip training.

Pedro - I once had to attend a class after I did pinch grip training, and in that class we had to take down A LOT of notes. God damn my fingers hurt like hell, was so difficult to write!
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QUOTE(pedro @ Mar 31 2011, 08:54 AM)
Am a big guy(>95kgs),previously could only do 2-3 chinups then grip would give way,now I can manage 5X10 reasonably well.

Grip training helps a lot!

Start light and take your time,it takes quite a while and sometimes your hand will get sore.

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This is basically how it looks like,just apply maximum force from all fingers.

Sometimes its hard to drive after this training,lol
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when do u insert the plate pinch in your routine?
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On legs day,so that it doesn't affect my other lifts!
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I believe putting Fat Gripz on a bar results in a 3 inch diameter if I'm not wrong, can't remember the exact figure. It is only offered in one thickness. I train at Fitness First and it fits perfectly around all the Olympic Bars and the shorter bars and EZ bar, and also the dumbbells, but it does not fit very well with those 'specific weighted bars' (those that are fixed in weight). Once the Fat Gripz are on, you will not be able to wrap your entire hand around the bar.

I got mine directly from the website, but I was lucky that my friend was coming back from the USA so I saved on the delivery. If you want I can check if my friend in Singapore is still selling them, but I don't think he does delivery.

For now what you can do is take some athletic tape, and tape it around your chin up bar, and then every week add an extra layer of tape, that's a simple way of progression.

As for pinch grip, I recommend you watch this video, it's how I got started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi6qsnbJ_bA


Out of curiosity, where do you train?

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QUOTE(hoxy @ Mar 31 2011, 09:50 PM)
Pedro, thanks... I pinch my finger differently from the picture. I bend my thumb, from the picture it seem that it need a straight thumb (which I will duly follow from now onwards). On another thought, since I already getting used to use hook grip for deadlift... which basically holding the bar on the side of my thumb (rather on the center)... will it be more better for me to continue pinching the bar with bend thumb (pinching the plate from side of the thumb)? Will you please share your opinion on this?
Is there a difference holding a single 20kg plates vs let say 2x10kg plate? Does the latter harder? I tried it on 2x5kg vs 1x10kg... it does feel like 2x5kg is harder... how do you think? Is there a specific reason you trying 2x10kg as oppose to only 1x20kg plate? I'm now hooked with this specific pinch training already. smile.gif
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Actually applying pressure with a bent thumb makes it a bit easier as it easier to hold the weight whereas with a straight thumb all the pressure has to come from the palm itself thus making it harder!

Well 2X10kg is wider thus having to open your grip wider to hold it,this makes it more difficult thus requiring more effort!

You want harder,try 4X2.5kg and hold for longer!
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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 1 2011, 08:27 AM)
Actually applying pressure with a bent thumb makes it a bit easier as it easier to hold the weight whereas with a straight thumb all the pressure has to come from the palm itself thus making it harder!

Well 2X10kg is wider thus having to open your grip wider to hold it,this makes it more difficult thus requiring more effort!

You want harder,try 4X2.5kg and hold for longer!
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when u say hold for longer means u just walk around with the plates but for how long lah?
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post Apr 10 2011, 06:48 PM

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Tesco grippers feels like 10 to 12kg.

Fitness Concept store sells this gripper that you can adjust resistance. Fine tune anywhere from 10 to 40kg. The design of the gripper makes it weird to crush (more so for people with smaller hands) so at 40kg level I must use a credit card to set it before closing. I think you can compare this to the CoC trainer.

CoC #1 is requires 63kg of crushing strength to close... so I don't think a lot of people can close it first try without working to it.
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post Apr 11 2011, 12:12 PM

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I can do low reps on the 40kg, the design of the gripper is weird which makes gripping unnatural to start with.
Instead of straight handles, this one is curved. Due to that I cannot fully close it, always less than 1cm gap.
Without setting the gripper with credit card I can only crush it same with your level of CoC #1, 1 to 1.5cm gap.

As for the tesco ones... I think 20 reps per set. Anything more I have to train for the endurance. I mainly use
these to crush and hold the crush as long as I can.

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post Apr 13 2011, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(hoxy @ Apr 12 2011, 10:14 PM)
Cyloh, nice meeting you just now! I agree that the gripper shape you have is weird.. I dont like it, my pinkie hurt (I have a weak pinkie). Seeing how you grip the CoC #2 (which is same as my level), I think maybe either you need to work on your last gap grip strength for closing (because you have early grip power same as me) or you have a same case like Mark Felix.



Some person just cant close the last gap which is why I saw how you grip CoC #2, you actually have a good grip... but then again, try to do parallel set as the youtube video way above (same as how I demonstrated to you just now also). I really think that with proper technique, you have greater change closing the gripper you have... I know it feel weird, but once you found your "sweet spot", you will experience improvement in gripping power, and you'll like it. Anyway, nice meeting you!
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Nice meeting you too!

Mark Felix closed the #3 a week later from that video by repositioning the gripper. As for me, the weird gripper that you tested, I manage to close it fully, from no
set to full close. Unfortunately I have to back down to 20kg for testing. I think it wont take me long to have 40kg under my belt, and soon the #1 and #1.5.

I start by trying to have a firm grip with my middle finger and fourth finger on the gripper. These two finger starts the crush. When about to reach parallel, the
pointer finger comes in as support and my pinkie now hooks the gripper too. To full close the final 1cm, its just depends how strong I am with my fourth and
pinkie finger only.

With that said, it is still a retarded gripper lol, so I won't know for sure how it will be when I get the #1 and #1.5.
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Apr 13 2011, 09:05 AM)
OK since Mark Felix solve his problem, I think eventually you will manage to fully close your gripper too. Please let me know once you get your CoC gripper... I want to test out CoC #1.5 smile.gif. Yesterday was my closest attempt on CoC #1 ever... 1~2mm more to go with parallel set... Once I can crush it, I will work on the no set for CoC #1.
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After surveying around I decided to get something else, not as original(or hardcore) as CoCs but has its own merits.

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This thing is only RM200 all in. Have to import in.

On to technique, I have some ideas(brainfart). Tonight will go home try. A twist/curl of the wrist might aid in fully closing harder resistance.
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post Apr 15 2011, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(hoxy @ Apr 13 2011, 08:55 PM)
cyloh, go for it! Up until now I've read comments that people who dont like the gripper because they dont like the handle. I've seen people taping the handle in youtube video too.

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Even my CoC gripper, one of my friend complain about the metal knurling too hard on the skin. Everyone have different oppinion...

Anyway, it looks like Ivanko ratings can go adjusted from 45lb all the way to 345.11lb! CoC #3.5 is only 322.5 lb. I understand that the rating standard for both may not be the same, but even if consider the delta in calculation, Ivanko gripper serve as a perfect tool for continuous progress!

http://www.ivanko.com/Ivanko-Super-Gripper-Info.html

I'm happy too because if you confirm buy, we can meet up again and again and again and I can try this gripper too... smile.gif. I am not sure whether they will sell you one additional spring, I think having 3 spring, will bring you resistance beyond the level you'll ever be, and also as a backup... just a thought.

Anyway, today I tried for the first time weighted towel commando chin up (two hand), I used <50% of my 1RM normal weighted chin up at 15kg (42% 1RM) ~5rep, and it works my grip pretty bad... I also did tried 5rep towel grip RDL at 60kg (>60% 1RM) before that for comparison. I think even though the ratio I used for towel chin up is below RDL ratio, towel chin up work my grip more.

Thinking of it again, it make real sense, my grip has to carry more weights by virtue of having me hanging, so my grip is being worked out at a greater weight (full bodyweight 52kg + weight of 15kg = 67kg vs deadlift weight of 60kg). Now it make sense... I think!
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Yeap confirm buy. But will take roughly a month to arrive. I think at that time you will be beyond #1 and conquering #2 rclxms.gif

I'd probably buy those badminton grip wrap to wrap around the handle like in the picture.
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post May 18 2011, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(hoxy @ May 18 2011, 04:43 PM)
Good news! I have broken my PR for deadlift... now my 1RM is 100kg at BW 52kg (1.66m height)! My max previously was only 97.5kg but it was very choppy, I lifted it and during descend already lost my grip, like a freefall, lol. It was not under controlled and not to my liking at all!

Today, it was under control, I already started to lose my grip, but I can manage to grip the bar even more (I'm surprised myself, ahaks) and make it firm. It was under controlled. I have consistently doing towel RDL at 75kg. So I dont really train my back with high weight deadlift all this while... but still, once I have the grip, I just ramp up to high weight to my target PR and it just happen. I always know my back can sustain more... just that my grip is the limiting factor.

Verdict: Hook grip, pronated grip, raw... new PR 100kg rclxm9.gif . This plateau has been for quite a while (months)...!!! This will motivate me moving forward and upon reaching my next new plateau in future...

I'm now looking into 100kg++ region... I'm so excited. It is like a barrier. Wow, still excited... haha.

As for my CoC #1... my right hand is getting stronger. My left hand is catching up now, still cannot crush it even using parallel set... 1~2cm to go... big improvement already on my left hand.

This is just an example of how grip training will carry forward to your other lift. Hope you guys become more interested in grip training...
Cyloh, did you manage to get your Ivanko gripper already?
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Yeah its in Msia. Just that I don't have time anytime soon to go pick it up. Will contact you once I have it in hand.

Grip training lately is a hit and miss for me. Some days I breeze through crushing 40kg like nothing.
Certain days it felt like my grip/wrist is too lazy to even want to crush 10kg sweat.gif
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QUOTE(hoxy @ May 18 2011, 08:18 PM)
Well, I know you... last time you cant even fully close those 40kg gripper. Now you can, so congratulations! It take me quite a while to close CoC #1 for second time (even after rest for so long time). Sometime after crushing the gripper 1 time for the day, I just rest and found that even the other day... I cant close it, my forearm are so worked up I have to abandon anything that involve hand (chin up, deadlift, etc2). It is an on-off thing for me.... Obviously, now I have improved... Take your time... the gripper is not going anywhere... Congratulation again on your success.

Cant wait to get my hand on the Ivanko gripper. Looks like I'm more excited than the owner... haha. I hope you stay motivated, you just spend your money buying quite an expensive gripper. Well if you are not interested, let sell to me half the price... deal? tongue.gif
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Aha, not much time and energy spared for grip training since I'm occupied training my push/pull ups to acceptable levels.
Every so slightly the pull ups help with my grip strength too.

Going very slow with the grip strength progression.
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