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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, FULHAM VS LIVERPOOL C812/832 3am

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post Mar 20 2011, 09:51 PM

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Kenny should tell the defenders not to huff the ball forward to carrol everytime.. midfield is non-existant because of that
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post Mar 20 2011, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Mar 20 2011, 10:13 PM)
carrol is rubbish....always trying to head every ball he got...rubbish possesion
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dude seriously.. after out for so long and just playing 2 games? ffs
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post Mar 21 2011, 11:16 AM

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imho carrol did OK.. he won most of the aerial ball and hold the ball pretty well. he almost got a goal too didnt he? and i agree he needs time to gel with suarez and the midfield. though i would like to see the defenders (carra and skrtel) stop huffing the ball to him every single time. the first 20 mins reminds me of houllier's last few seasons.

agger just golden doesn't he? made the difference on the defense. when he does brings the ball forward. he can link up play too. here's hoping he could play till end of the season without any injuries.

oh.. its nice for suarez to dedicated the goal to lucas baby.

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post Mar 22 2011, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Mar 22 2011, 04:21 PM)
hai guise any idea how to grab the photo from this page


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easy: http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000K5H...l-Liverpool.jpg

which one do you need?
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post Mar 23 2011, 08:20 AM

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Let me know if u guys want to do a banner.. ill chip in a couple of bucks.
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post Mar 23 2011, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 23 2011, 09:33 AM)
I don't mind if everyone agrees to it.
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you and or other thread veterans should organize this. hehe.. i wouldnt mind chipping in
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post Mar 24 2011, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(hellsoldier33 @ Mar 24 2011, 03:32 AM)
spearing got no physical ability..i hope liverpool get this facts right stop buying short and soft players...sigh
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this is the common misconception that people has on short and small midfielders. spearing is not soft lad. you can see that when you watched him played.

international breaks is so annoying but this time around its just nice. suarez has minor injury against sunderland so he can rest properly for WBA game. hopefully none of our players that play international get injured as well. agger especially.


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post Mar 24 2011, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Mar 24 2011, 03:53 PM)
Kenny Dalglish should be allowed to manage until he himself calls it quits and be allowed to groom his own successor - someone who values the traditions and cultures of LFC equally.

I hope Benitez (and even Houllier much as I liked him) will not be allowed back. Benitez preferred to buy success to the exclusion of youth development.  I seem to get the impression that he bought youngsters for show and then loans them out or sells them off later. 


I certainly cannot see him working with Comolli because he's the type who needs complete control.

The worse thing to happen is when he "ties his infamous strings" onto players like Suarez, Carroll, Kelly, Meireles etc.. and then "thugs at them" from the touchline as if he's flying some human kites .. killing every creative spark there is in them in the process.


I hope the club will regain the former passions and achieve again!
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i agree RB will have hard time working with Commoli but the the statements that i bold is simply bollocks doesn't it?

1 - RB the one insist to rebuild the youth systems. he did not buy them for show.. wtf? he have to sell them because of he need to raise money to buy 1st team players. most the youth he bought still here ain't it? at least those that matters.

2 - infamous strings killing creative sparks? wah.. as i can remember we were playing beautiful football in 2007 - 2009. smashing club records along the way... maybe u can only remember his last year in the club.

RB wont be back so soon because I am 100% behind kenny to stay as manager as long as he can.. but RB (and GH) at least gets the recognitions that he deserved.
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post Mar 24 2011, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:05 PM)
"Bollocks" eh? Well, please do read the link that Immunity posted and have a rethink.

How many young players he bought actually made a breakthrough to the first team? Can you name me a few of "those that matters"?

I'm actually trying rather hard to forget those frustrating seasons that RB was in charge ... and the amount of money he spent.

Please don't be too quick to bold-locks your fellow Reds supporter.
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you probably doesnt read that article right...

Total Players Bought: £228,976,000
Total Players Sold: £145,100,000

Total Net Spend: £83,876,000

84 million over 5 years? and the 09/10 season is only 10k pound spend?

Think how much money the club have gotten after he took the team to at least last 16 in CL almost every year. The profit from selling Torres is 30 millions. you know?

1 CL, 1 FA, 1 Super Cup, 1 Comm Shield and another CL final.. highest point collected by LFC in a season, record win, making LFC feared in Europe again.. yes I have rethink it again. If Rafa's last season was very hard in your memories.. how does the season before Houllier means to you? Even Houllier's last season was unbearable to watched.

Its not the success of the youth.. its how he have transformed the development youth systems. Houllier got the credit for transforming the way the team trained and kick the Spice Boys way of lifes. Rafa got for the youth.. even Kenny admit that.

I'm not defending Rafa blindly.. I just saying that he deserved some recognitions from us Reds.
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post Mar 25 2011, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Mar 25 2011, 11:23 AM)
Liverpool FC's squad were never close in terms of depth when compared to Man Utd or Chelsea or to a certain extent, Arsenal. And among these, only Arsenal spent less than us in building a team. When Rafa came, his largest spending was before G&H's era and nobody could argue how well Liverpool FC were progressing, however, did Man Utd or Chelsea stop spending then? No, they were and still investing even till today.

Man Utd were crowned as the Premier League champions before they splurged 30 million pounds on Berbatov, so should we not spend more than 10k after getting a respectable 2nd place? Chelsea were champions last season, but they did not stop their spending, they bought Torres and Luiz, that's more than 70 million pounds spent without considering who they have bought before the start of the season. 

Liverpool did buy Aquilani after selling Alonso and he failed in his first season due to injuries, Rafa's biggest mistake so far, but let's just see, Drogba took a while to start perform didn't he? Veron didn't come cheap as well. What about Shevchenko? Has Anderson live up to his value so far? Even the great Arsene Wenger failed at Francis Jeffers so Rafa must buy good all the time?

In terms of free transfer, ok, Rafa sucked at getting players for free, but I don't see Chamakh performing at Arsenal yet and he was highly rated. I have never heard of Voronin or Aurelio prior to their arrival at the club. So I would overlook such transfers.

I do not want Rafa back for now, but to call him a failure at Liverpoo? I would defend him for the man deserves better recognition than that.
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Yes, this is what I'm trying to say.

I'm not in any way want Rafa to be back.. at least not very soon. Not especially when Kenny doing very good with the team now. Kenny over Rafa anytime at the moment.

If you read the Rafa's interview, he said it's his dream job to come back to Liverpool in the future.. Its not that he wanted the job now. nothing wrong with that. Its the same like any other ex-players that said the would like to come back and manage the team one day..

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 25 2011, 12:02 PM)
Bringing Rafa back will the a step in the wrong direction of you ask me. I've always been very vocal about my opinion on this matter. Forget the credentials. He simply cannot get along with the top brass at any club. It happened at Valencia, it happened here and it happened at Inter Milan. For the record, I think we played efficient football but with the exception of the final third of the 2008/2009 season, I think this we played beautiful football. Our opinions on what "beautiful football" constitutes may differ but I thought we were as interesting to watch as Mourinho's Chelsea, though nowhere near as boring as Houllier's team.

I don't think we need to revisit our argument on Rafa so I'm just going to say that given our current situation, it would not be wise to bring in a man who lost the dressing room. Morale is high at the moment and King Kenny is doing better than expected. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, he has accumulated more points in the time he's been in charge than any other Premier League team bar Arsenal. He also has the respect of the lads. The players look much happier now and I honestly believe that King Kenny is better at getting the best out of his players. Both have a stark contrast in their approach. Whilst Rafa is methodical and overly scientific at times, I won't find it surprising if all Kenny says before the lads step out on the pitch is, "alright lads, just go out there and have a good time". As Shankly once said, "Football is a simple game made complicated by people who should know better".
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Fair play.. We all have different view on what is beautiful football.. Cheers!
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post Mar 29 2011, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 29 2011, 02:05 PM)
Same can be said for our fans, no? Stop whining and cursing just because he's gone.

Before being defensive let's look at the situation shall we? He's continously cited how things were bad at Liverpool, and how there were many problems. Is this true? If it isn't, then let's defend our position but sometimes you have to call a spade, a spade. Fact is we were in bad shape pre-Kenny. You think Torres calls up the media to tell them these things because he has nothing better to do? If it's in the press, it's because the media ask him questions and he's giving an honest assessment of what the situation was. Are the problems he's cited not the same we've been complaining about? About how the owners screwed the club over. About how morale was low. About how we look like we were on a decline, especially under Hodgson. He's never had a bad thing to say about the fans has he? He has never disrespected the traditions at the club has he?
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my point of view is he have the choice of not answering these kinda questions. or just saying LFC is the past so no point talking about it again. if he repeat saying this everytime the press ask then it will stop coming. its not like he dont know how to lie abit.

i closed my books on torres long ago. suarez instantly replaced him.. and soon carroll. other fans should do the same. no need to be bitters anymore.
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post Apr 3 2011, 12:12 AM

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deserved the beating.. the team was poor except for suarez.

disagree with most, carroll was great until the ref shackled him with yellow card and last warning. the ref seems to have a personal grudge against him.

the team played with no width.. no wings no full back to attack. hoofing the ball towards carroll hoping he knockdown perfectly for other players. reminds me of the ugly days..

shite game.. just shite. next game please...

oh i cant remember when was the last time reina need to do a lot of saves in one game..
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post Apr 3 2011, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Apr 3 2011, 09:02 AM)
that's not exactly a formula, isn't it? Silly banters. Trolls will be trolls.
Gonna continue abit with the stadium redevelopment point in a minute.
EDIT: ADD ON:
For a start, most of the points about the local area regeneration are raised up in RAWK "New Stadium" subforums, and the current status quo is that

we've got a limbo because

1) we as fans don't want to move.
2) the owners want to maximize revenue
3) the local council wants to regenerate the area by us co-sharing with Everton.

very, very tight tango to dance.
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I personally would prefer if the club stays at anfield. i bet most fans the same too. maybe FSG will find a way to buy the sorrounding house and expand the stadium section by section like what the manc did on old trafford. additional of 10k seats would be enough i think. though this will probably gonna be costly.

if no other choice, it is best just to move to new stadium. if FSG want to cut the cost a little bit by selling the naming rights to corporate company then so be it. as long as the name is not lame.

in the end, we need a bigger stadium to maximize the revenue..


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post Apr 3 2011, 08:38 PM

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carrol being knocked down by olsen on every chance he got. he didnt look like he wanna play the ball at all. ref stay silent about it and it gets on carroll nerves. alas, the yellow (a harsh one) and last warning shackled and tame carroll for the rest of the game.

that being said.. yesterday the whole team was piss poor.. bar reina and suarez.
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post Apr 4 2011, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Apr 4 2011, 03:09 PM)
I still remember the days we had Aurelio, Insua and Dossena fit. Too many players in one position. Now we have none...(Aurelio keeps getting injured at least 3/4 of each season) @_@

I think Insua needs to come back, and we need to get another LB and/or LW as backup. Fabio Coentrao seems good for his age, and at least Raul Meireles wont be bored as he's the only Portugese in the team now. tongue.gif

Else getting Jose Enrique won't be all bad, since he's not old and has time to improve.
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yeah.. i agree we need to call insua back. RH shipped him out to make way for konchesky.. aurelio is great when he's fit but no doctor in the world could fix him.

oh.. we need to forget about getting any foreign top players next season since we will not be in any euro comp.

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post Apr 5 2011, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 5 2011, 03:47 PM)
I'm no fan of Rooney's but can sympathise. I dislike that the element of emotion is slowly being taken out of the game. Players aren't machines and the occasional outburt of emotion should be tolerated. I find it laughable that a player can be booked for celebrating too long or too hard. Fairplay if he's trying to incite the crowd though. Similarly I find it absurd that a player can be booked for saying F*CK, especially when it is directed at no one in particular. It is a reaction, not a threat. I don't buy all this talk about being civil because children are watching on telly or whatever. I think football is the last place they'll learn vulgarities when they can access all sorts of crap via the internet.

On Alonso, I don't fully subscribe to the belief that we became shite all of a sudden when he left. There were many other factors such as low morale amongst players because of the uncertainty surrounding the club, Rafa's row with the owners, the treatment of Alonso, etc. Is morale such a big factor? Well look at how much better we improved immediately after King Kenny took over from Hodgson. There's your answer.
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i hate his guts but on this matter i would say he's over the line. he knew the camera is focusing on him and its live televised watched by everyone including kids that look up to him but he deliberately did it anyway.. with hateful face summore.. the FA doesn't like this because they will be under fire from the public if they didnt take any action on him. they want to make an example out of him.. though i think 1 match ban and fine should be sufficient.

i'm all for emotion should exist in the game.. but cursing angrily at the camera is not one of them.
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post Apr 7 2011, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Akmal47 @ Apr 7 2011, 10:48 AM)
FERNADON'T SCORRES CHELSEA NUMBER 9~nanananananana.....
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wrong thread.. go troll chelsea thread instead..

i see the LeBron issue is nothing more than marketing strategy.. they try to penetrate the US and global market even more.. he's one of the biggest name in sports. the stake he have not big enough to have a say i reckon.
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post Apr 8 2011, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Apr 8 2011, 02:46 AM)
On another note, I found this...dont quite get it...why city finishing 4th affects the europa place?
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i dont think both mancs finish in the top four doesn't have anything to do with the europa qualifications. liverpool already out of europe if finish 6th since the FA cup winner/runner-up will be given that spot. the brums was given one spot for winning the coca cola cup (or whatever the name nowadays). if the gooners had won it this will never be the case..


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post Apr 13 2011, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 13 2011, 02:52 PM)
You gotta keep up with current events mate. Birmingham won the league cup meaning they get one out of six alloted spots. Since they are unlikely to finish in the top 6, this means that we're looking at the top 5 teams qualifying for Europe.
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should be they took the 7th slot.. FA winners will take 6th..

can see spurs slipping too much points so most likely no Euro next year.. nevermind.. this way kenny can focus on domestic titles.


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post Apr 15 2011, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Apr 15 2011, 11:33 PM)
Are u willing to see MU win their 19th EPL trophy?

After that MU would be the best EPL club in the history. No more liverpool.
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if they win 23 times also i dont mind. those records are meant to be broken after we failed to get back up after all these years. what they achive meant nothing to me at least.

in the end, we still have the "five fingers salute!"

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