I don't think it is as much about women preferring to be single than it is about women being less dependant upon a man. These days, women are self sufficient and the pressure to look for a dude to care for her and provide for the household is much less. Dudes have to work harder to keep their women happy these days.

What girls say and do are often mutually exclusive. If they say they want to be single, it's only because they haven't met anyone "worthy" yet.

I know some pretty intelligent girls and their expectations in men are pretty high, not financially, but intellectually. This is why you see girls going out with older guys. From this forum alone, you'll be able to tell that there are many guys with nothing to talk about. When you speak to a girl who is highly educated (I'm going to assume this means she's relatively intelligent", you need substance. You need more than topics like how fast you've leveled up in WOW, or how excellent the special effects were in Battle: Los Angeles.

How to break the ice? Man I've seen guys try to talk their way in by trying to convince girls that they are "good guys". "I promise, I won't hurt you wan, I'm different... blah blah blah". If you want her, go for her. If you are sincere, show it. Don't talk, do.

I just think that instead of wallowing in their own self pity, men should step up their game and deal with the fact that women's expectations have increased over the years. Men will ALWAYS be seen as providers. It has been this way since our forefathers first learned to walk upright. Things are getting more expensive these days, and women are earning more income. How can they not expect more out of men? Guys need to raise their game and man up.

It's like I said, men will always be seen as providers, the head of the family, economically and emotionally. Women may earn more but they'd still like to know that their man can provide a security blanket. I get a little tired reading "women are materialistic" posts because I feel these posters don't completely understand their claim. A 'strong' man will always be more appealing than a 'weak' man. It's like I said in another post, "survival of the fittest". If she chooses a richer guy over a poorer guys, it's probably because the richer guy also has more appealing traits, unless he struck the lottery. People tend to only look at the surface. "Oh she went for the rich guy, she's so materialistic". As chance would have it, successful guys also have more appealing characteristics, like determination, ambition, charm, etc. Are there girls who are in it purely for the money? Of course but much less than some posters make it out to be.

I think that on some level, guys use this materialistic claim as an excuse to console themselves. Instead of considering that she chose a richer guy off him because he's a loser, he chooses to believe that it's purely because he doesn't have much money. It's easier to stomach. Everyone has an opinion on everyone else, but few look at themselves, critique themselves and decide to iron out the flaws. Instead, they make other people look equally as bad e.g. "The guy is rich, must be father's money. Must be damn 'lancee'".

Lower expectations on men? Why would anyone want to settle for less? Would you lower your expectation of women under any circumstances? No, we strive for better things.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Mar 30 2011, 02:23 PM

That's exactly right. Each of us have our own definition of what's good, what's successful, what's rich and so on. Each girl has their own and guys need to measure up. We will always be attracted to something better, it's human nature. Pretty girls will always turn the head of boys. Girls will always look at their friend's richer husband's and be envious. Fact is that only commitment holds us back.

The point I was trying to make earlier was that money alone is not the determining factor. What I was trying to put across is that successful guys generally have stronger more appealing traits and people overlook this, attributing his success with women purely down to money.

Aye. I'll be the first to admit (and I know most guys will say the same although they won't own up ) that I'm shallow in that sense. A woman needs to look after herself and not see marriage as a license to let herself go. I think it's important for both couples to keep up appearances. More so because you'll see each other every day. If your man has 'extra-curricular' activities, maybe it's because you don't look after yourself. Not that he doesn't love you, he just doesn't find you sexually appealing. It does sound shallow, but it is really that simple.

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