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 Arsenal Street Talk, 10 APR 2011 | 2025 | BLP v. ARS

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c_calvin
post Mar 9 2011, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 9 2011, 05:26 PM)
how did you come to this conclusion?
were you ever in contention before the red card?
you guys only had 2 touches in our penalty area for the whole match opposed to 47 or so in your box.
and we had nearly 20 shots and you guys NIL.
stop blaming the ref.
if RVP wasn't sent off, Konchelni(sp?) would've.
Twice. Once a thigh high tackle on Messi in the box after Messi made a mesmerizing run and another one on Villa.
So ask yourself, was it better that RvP went off or a defender?
RvP didnt make any difference to the match as he was the highest up the pitch.
He doesnt defend at all so it had no bearing on the outcome.
If a defender was sent off, then yes, I understand.

Wilshere was the only midfielder who performed for you guys.
But that boy needs to calm down sometimes.
I dont watch him tht often but he does make rash challenges at times and he looks to have a temper.

I used to rate Ramsey(before his injury) higher but that was 2 seasons ago.
Who is actually better? Ramsey(before injury or Wilshere?
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 9 2011, 05:41 PM)
i dont have time to answer you in detail
but if you watched the match instead of reading news and stats,
you missed one thing, messi scored in the 1st half.
so do the math, rvp got sent off in the 56 or 57th minute.
it was 1-1 and then rvp got sent off.
how many goals did we score after that?
Like you said, at 56/57min, the score is 1-1, and we are going through if the score stay the same.
Barca is the better team in that match, no doubt bout it. But in football, the better team doesn't always win.

AW obviously send the team out to defend(Rosicky starts ahead of Arshavin proved this), simply because we don't have to score to go through. IIRC, in the 1st half we contain you guys pretty well, apart from Adriano's shot that hit the post, I can't remember Barca has a very clear cut chance, this means that AW's tactic is working. If Cesc didn't try to be too clever outside his own penalty box, I think at half time it would remain at 0-0.

We might not have a chance to score another goal when it's 1-1, but i have to remind you that we don't have to.
I don't deny that Barca is the better team, but I don't understand why you cant accept that that the red card changed the game.
If we have 11 players on the field, i still believe that we have a chance to defend the 1-1 score, it is after the red card we get cut open easily.

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post Mar 9 2011, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Zeus88 @ Mar 9 2011, 06:49 PM)
I don't know what arsenal hutang xavi...
He's always against us since the fabregas issue till now...
And now he criticize us again... He's a good footballer but I will not give him any respect at all!
CURSE YOU XAVI!! You are a disgrace to professional football! 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...ootball?cc=4716
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"Arsenal really didn't want to play football. All they cared about was defending. The red card did affect the game, but the decision was right in my opinion."

As far as I know, defending is also part of football game, so i don't know what he meant by we are not there to play football laugh.gif
Well at least he agreed that the red card affect the game, but its a right decision? rclxub.gif

One more thing, some Barca's fans argue that because RvP is a forward, so his sending off doesn't affect the game which is ridiculous IMO. Just because he's a forward so he don't have to help the team to defend? Arsenal is never about one player, we attack as a team, we defend as a team. Barca also defend as a team, you can see how all of their player pressing us so high up the field, even Messi have to press together with his teammate.

With RvP on the field, he also provides us an outlet to release the ball when we have it(okay I know we dont have the ball most of the time, but at least we have one more player to pass the ball to). They keep argue that we don't have a single shot, why should we care about getting a shot when we will go through if we can keep the scoreline level. Maybe they really believe AW's words that we will attack them, if we intended to attack Arshavin would starts ahead of Rosicky.

I agree that Barca is the better team and deserved the win, but to those who can't accept that the red card played a big part in that is clearly delusional.

This post has been edited by c_calvin: Mar 9 2011, 07:36 PM
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post Mar 9 2011, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Mar 9 2011, 07:47 PM)
erm correct me if im wrong, when Arsenal play their attacking game against other lesser EPL teams and those teams had to play a contain game, didnt Fabregas said the opponent also anti-football? it was some time ago i think. So in a context i think what Xavi said is similar to what Fab said a few years back. And before im being said trolling, im just trying to compare the situations because apart from when playing Barca, Arsenal is an attacking side (similar to Barca themselves) and as we all know, the main way to thwart an attacking play is to put the whole team behind the ball aka Anti-football. So just like how u guys defended against barca last night, many teams also defended in a similar fashion when playing Arsenal. Also similar to my opinion to what Fab said back then, i also agree that Xavi is wrong to say that because like you pointed out, defending is also part of football. there's no right or wrong way to play football.

As for the red card, after reviewing the replay it does seem like the second yellow is not only harsh, that couldnt be deemed as "kicking the ball away" at all. And if RVP still stays on pitch, at 3-1 arguably he could find himself a chance to score 1 to get it to 3-2, and by then it would be Arsenal qualifying.
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I don't really remember Cesc saying that before, maybe it's quite a long time ago. But i won't be too surprised if he said that because Arsenal players dislike playing against ultra-defensive team.

I might be bias here but I don't really agree that we are anti-football, anti-football would mean that we are not interested to get the ball and just kick the ball out of our own half when we have it, it might also involves a lot of kicking of opposition player. Of course that is just what i think of anti-football, other people might have different interpretation. But you can see we tried to pass it out of defense when we have it, which also lead to their 1st goal because Cesc tried to pass to Wilshere with a backheel in front of the penalty box doh.gif

Anyway i get what u meant, when you're facing a far more superior team, you would have no choice but to focus on defending.

This post has been edited by c_calvin: Mar 9 2011, 08:43 PM
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post Mar 9 2011, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(kanelee @ Mar 9 2011, 09:33 PM)
Well I saw on FB Four Four Two tweets that UEFA charged Wenger and Nasri liao..not unexpected.
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herm no further punishment on van persie?
he said that the referee is a joke laugh.gif rightly so but don't think you can do that.

However, there is no indication that Van Persie himself has been charged, despite calling Busacca a "joke" in a post-match interview

So i guess UEFA agree with RvP's comment? laugh.gif laugh.gif

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