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TSgo4pch
post May 17 2012, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(gaszer @ May 17 2012, 10:42 PM)
Where can i get it and how much. What are the models available now. Please PM. Thanks.


Added on May 17, 2012, 10:42 pmWhere can i get it and how much. What are the models available now. Please PM. Thanks.
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post May 18 2012, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(go4pch @ May 17 2012, 10:51 PM)
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lee82gx
post May 22 2012, 11:25 PM

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anyone did a speed test of the networked transfer rate via the Gigabit port?
I have a Gigabit network at home and would like to use this as a NAS for photo editing and need at least 20MEGABYTE/s transfer speeds.
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post May 22 2012, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ May 22 2012, 11:25 PM)
anyone did a speed test of the networked transfer rate via the Gigabit port?
I have a Gigabit network at home and would like to use this as a NAS for photo editing and need at least 20MEGABYTE/s transfer speeds.
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The internal HDD controller chipset for the PCH (and similar players) is extremely slow. This is for two reasons:

1. Cost of chipset
2. Power (remember, all power you consume becomes heat)

As such, there is no way you will get more than a few MB (I estimate 5 MB/s, 50Mb/s) in actual read/write speed to the disk. There simply isn't enough horsepower there, and insufficient use of NCQ, etc.

Why is this not a problem, normally? Think of the files you play. A 720p movie, 90 mins, is 2GB. So you need 22MB/min read speed. That is MUCH LESS THAN 1MB/s !!!! (Sorry for shouting. but this is critical). Compare this to the 5MB/s that you can achieve. You have enough headroom for even your 10GB movie rips.

So in normal practice, when using the PCH as a media player, disk speed is so low a constraint that you would not even bother to benchmark. That is why it makes no difference if you have a 10000RPM Raptor, or a cheap USB dongle, for playing your BR Rips.

(And this is the entire point of x264, mp4, etc. We are using compression to lower the physical bit rate required).

However, if you use the PCH as a NAS, and start expecting it to serve your 200MB photoshop.psd file, you WILL hit speed bumps.

You may achieve 20MB/s over the network interface (I have my doubts, the Gigabit chip is being run in a low-power mode as well), but there in no place for the PCH to write a 20MB/s stream to.

(And by the way, most nome NAS boxes also claim Gigabit interfaces, but their disk access speed is poor. )

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post May 22 2012, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(ghane @ May 22 2012, 11:46 PM)
The internal HDD controller chipset for the PCH (and similar players) is extremely slow.  This is for two reasons:

1. Cost of chipset
2. Power (remember, all power you consume becomes heat)

As such, there is no way you will get more than a few MB (I estimate 5 MB/s, 50Mb/s) in actual read/write speed to the disk.  There simply isn't enough horsepower there, and insufficient use of NCQ, etc.

Why is this not a problem, normally?  Think of the files you play.  A 720p movie, 90 mins, is 2GB.  So you need 22MB/min read speed.  That is MUCH LESS THAN 1MB/s !!!!  (Sorry for shouting. but this is critical).  Compare this to the 5MB/s that you can achieve.  You have enough headroom for even your 10GB movie rips.

So in normal practice, when using the PCH as a media player, disk speed is so low a constraint that you would not even bother to benchmark.  That is why it makes no difference if you have a 10000RPM Raptor, or a cheap USB dongle, for playing your BR Rips. 

(And this is the entire point of x264, mp4, etc.  We are using compression to lower the physical bit rate required).

However, if you use the PCH as a NAS, and start expecting it to serve your 200MB photoshop.psd file, you WILL hit speed bumps.

You may achieve 20MB/s over the network interface (I have my doubts, the Gigabit chip is being run in a low-power mode as well), but there in no place for the PCH to write a 20MB/s stream to.

(And by the way, most nome NAS boxes also claim Gigabit interfaces, but their disk access speed is poor. )

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thanks for the heads up, i held back on 1 generation of media players for this reason, guess it'll be the same still now.

There is another reason to expect a high transfer speed which is to directly store downloaded movie files. But at 5-10Mb/S isn't it just plain slow ? With a 3.5in HDD inside, it'll take days to fill up 1TB no?
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ May 22 2012, 11:55 PM)
thanks for the heads up, i held back on 1 generation of media players for this reason, guess it'll be the same still now.

There is another reason to expect a high transfer speed which is to directly store downloaded movie files. But at 5-10Mb/S isn't it just plain slow ? With a 3.5in HDD inside, it'll take days to fill up 1TB no?
The answer to that, as it is with any question more complicated than "teh or teh ais", is "It Depends" cool2.gif

If you are torrenting, then the 5MB/s nicely matches your disk speed, and all is good. (Remember, 5MB/s is 50Mb/s).

If you have a TB of content previously available on your PC, I recommend setting up the PCH, then removing the disk and connecting it to your PC, copy over stuff, move back. Future add/delete can be via the network.

Or, you leave your copy (I use NMTinstaller to install rsync on the PCH) running over the weekend. Remember, the actual read required by the PCH from the disk is so low, that you will not see stuttering if you are playing stuff while a copy is in progress.

Syabas is not trying to screw us, but heat is a significant issue in consumer appliances, especially when they are being bought for their "quiet, fan-less, no vent holes" cases. And your PCH is probably sitting right over the exhaust holes of your 250W 42" plasma ... vmad.gif

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post May 23 2012, 08:33 PM

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So which popcorn model to get
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post May 24 2012, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(kapultek @ May 23 2012, 08:33 PM)
So which popcorn model to get
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itsjustme
post Jun 6 2012, 03:43 PM

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Hello Dear Popcorn,

What is the price for C-300... thank you so much
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post Jun 7 2012, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(itsjustme @ Jun 6 2012, 03:43 PM)
Hello Dear Popcorn,

What is the price for C-300... thank you so much
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You got PM.
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post Jun 10 2012, 08:18 PM

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pls pm me your price for A300/C300. thanks
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pls pm me the c300?
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post Jun 12 2012, 10:38 AM

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Pm me price a300/c300..
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pm me the price bro
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Has C300 arrive?
TSgo4pch
post Jun 12 2012, 03:38 PM

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Dear All Popcorn Hour C-200 User,

Good news for you!

New C-200 Firmware available for update. You can update directly online from your player or download it to the USB drive and perform update from there.

The new firmware update include,
1. New Apps Market.
2. Support .mpeg, .vob, .dat LL/RR/Stereo track switching (usually for Karaoke functions).

New Firmware Update Download Link

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Have a great experience.



QUOTE(D_Y2k.4^ @ Jun 12 2012, 02:25 PM)
Has C300 arrive?
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Yes, arrived since March, 2012.


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post Jun 12 2012, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(go4pch @ Jun 12 2012, 03:38 PM)
Dear All Popcorn Hour C-200 User,

Good news for you!

New C-200 Firmware available for update. You can update directly online from your player or download it to the USB drive and perform update from there.

The new firmware update include,
1. New Apps Market.
2. Support .mpeg, .vob, .dat LL/RR/Stereo track switching (usually for Karaoke functions).

New Firmware Update Download Link

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Have a great experience.
Yes, arrived since March, 2012.
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post Jun 12 2012, 07:11 PM

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bro, is c-200 capable to play Blu -ray interactive menu?
i am using ac ryan pohd mini and it cant play the Blu-ray interactive menu.
only can play BD Lite menu.
Please pm me for best price and where can i buy this c-200?
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post Jun 16 2012, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(johnlimsk @ Jun 12 2012, 06:15 PM)
How about A-210?
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Yes coming soon...


Added on June 16, 2012, 11:17 pm
QUOTE(Gary @ Jun 12 2012, 07:11 PM)
bro, is c-200 capable to play Blu -ray interactive menu?
i am using ac ryan pohd mini and it cant play the Blu-ray interactive menu.
only can play BD Lite menu.
Please pm me for best price and where can i buy this c-200?
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Yes bro. C-200 can play not only Simple BD/BD Lite but Full BD Navigation.

This post has been edited by go4pch: Jun 16 2012, 11:17 PM
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post Jun 16 2012, 11:44 PM

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I am trying to sell off my POHD mini 2 before buying this. Please pm me for best price bro. Thanks.

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