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ravensteele
post May 13 2012, 11:06 PM

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If you're working offshore and not getting 5 digit salary, now that's low!

Normally, your allowance would be for each day you go out offshore to the platform/rig/offshore installation.

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post May 14 2012, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ May 14 2012, 12:22 PM)
Are you taking the allowance and the fact that I am a fresh grad in this consideration?
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It really depends if you're a direct hire or 3rd party engineers who go offshore once in awhile when operations need. In your case I would think it's the latter? I work on exploration rigs, and is direct hired working 28/28 on/off, so anything less than 5 digits would be low in my case. But even for 3rd party engineers, and for your case, a fresh grad, basic plus allowance (assuming you average 15 days offshore) would be nearing the 5 digits payscale. 4.6k is a pretty high basic for freshies, you just have to know what allowances they give and how much (duh!).

Stay for a few of years and once experience is gained, your payscale will shoot up exponentially, at least for the MWD and DD's I know. It's a lucrative job working offshore, so no worries.
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post May 15 2012, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ May 14 2012, 09:19 PM)
Is a direct hire for example working with petronas while a 3rd party is working with either SLB or Sapura?
Would you elaborate on the responsibilities for both of them?

I really dont have any mentors in this field and all the info I have about OnG engineers is collected from various websites which list job descriptions.
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I can only give examples for exploration rigs as I've only worked on them. Take for example, Petronas wants to explore a block, they hire, take for example, Transocean, for a drilling/exploration rig. Direct hire would mean people hired by Transocean working on the rig, and they make up the OIM, Tool/tourpushers, drillers, mechanics etc. These are the direct hired guys working full time for Transocean. Petronas of course will have some direct hired guys working for them on the rig, ie Drilling Supervisor, Well site engineers etc. 3rd party guys would be guys working for other companies needed for certain projects/operations, like Scomi (mud engineers mostly), Halliburton/Schlumberger (MWD, DD, Wireline, Cement engineers) etc.

Basically (and normally), direct hired personnel works on standard shifts (28/28, 14/14 - ie they work for 28 days and get the next 28 days off, and their salary is basically fixed every month, regardless of whether you're on or off). 3rd party contractors come and go as needed. They have a basic salary, and also allowance added on by the days they're offshore. So if they don't get sent offshore, they only get their basic salary.

From my point of view, if you get a chance to work offshore (in your case an engineer), and don't mind to make certain sacrifices, by all means take it. You can't and won't find a similar job on land that pays that well. Especially when you have tonnes of experience under your belt.
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post May 15 2012, 06:44 AM

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QUOTE(vivo85 @ May 15 2012, 02:21 AM)
What would be the reasonable salary range for an offshore cementing engineer working for 28/28 rotation? Fresh graduate position to experienced engineer...
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Don't really know as I was never close to any cementers lol blush.gif But the obvious one would be nothing less than 5 digits. And I also don't really know how BJ/Dowell (2 of the cementer companies I know) pay, whether it's monthly or allowance-based. I would think it's the former, and judging and comparing to a mud engineer who's on 28/28, I'm assuming 7-9k for freshies till 15/16k with experience? I really don't know and just guessing lol.
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post May 15 2012, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(akira de aimbuster @ May 15 2012, 08:12 PM)
why do some company choose to give allowance? eg rm 2300+rm 500 fixed allowance. Is there any reason for them not to give rm2800 directly?
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QUOTE(phobia_ff @ May 15 2012, 08:29 PM)
thats mean they doesn't want your basic high, they still can cut your allowance anytime they want, but not the basic salary.
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It's because they save on the EPF they need to contribute for you.
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post May 24 2012, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(Annoynimous @ May 15 2012, 08:49 PM)
I thought allowances are subject to EPF?
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QUOTE(bx6330 @ May 19 2012, 07:17 PM)
Major misunderstood about allowance...that it is not reflect on EPF. Good news...it does! as such you need to ask your employer if they don't reflect on your EPF.
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Hmmmm ok yea, let me re-phrase my reply before: Anything that goes into payslip is subjected to taxes and EPF. Anything given out of the payslip is not. My bad.

QUOTE(Current Events guy @ May 16 2012, 10:36 AM)
Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me.

I do have several questions now, and they are as follows:

1. If my position is a chemical or reservoir engineer, it would be a direct hire correct?

2. What is your personal preference on the shifts? 14/14 looks more interesting to me, as 28/28 seems to allow for a longer cooldown and warmup time. I dont know what I'd do if I had a month off.

3. What are the sacrifices that you mentioned?
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1. Yes.

2. I've worked both 14/14 and 28/28, I'd prefer 21/21 lol (perhaps cos I've never done that).
14/14 has too short a time off, and takes up 1 extra day off for travels compared to 28/28.
28/28 you'll feel the pinch of being away for too long.

3. Main concern would be being away from family for quite some time, especially for young families, ie marriage in the first couple of years, or with young kids. Next would be not being able to choose when to be on or off, thus missing any special occasions while you're away from home, since there's no leave, unless emergencies.

QUOTE(vivo85 @ May 17 2012, 12:46 AM)
Thanks bro..appreciate the advice very much...what would be the career path of cementing engineer..any possibility to switch to mud engineer or drilling engineer?
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I haven't been in this field long enough to tell you in too much detail. But I do believe you can do the above switches. I've seen aeronautical degree graduates working as well site engineers and later promoted to drilling supervisors/drill site managers.

QUOTE(sonofthestage_x @ May 22 2012, 10:59 AM)
Any idea whats the salary like in Baker Hughes, Aker Solution, Schlumberger, Halliburton & Cameron for fresh graduates engineers?

These are all oil and gas service companies. Hope to hear all your feedback. Thank you.
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I think it really depends on what exactly you do. Wire line, mud or cement engineers, MW/Directional Drillers, tong operators, they all command different salaries. But for general fresh grad engineers I would think can command around RM4k basic + RM200/300 per day offshore allowance?

This post has been edited by ravensteele: May 24 2012, 05:51 PM
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post Jun 14 2012, 10:20 PM

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One can have all the qualifications or experience, but everything comes to nought if you don't get that lucky break/chance.



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