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 The Great Tiling WM Adventure + Some Wireless Stuf, Hosted by G-17

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post Jul 15 2011, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(farkinid @ Jul 15 2011, 03:27 PM)
I say go for it. Just image your drive/partition 1st. Then if it really goes bad, just put back the image. I do that with my servers actually.
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post Jul 15 2011, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(farkinid @ Jul 15 2011, 04:42 PM)
Ok drive imaging is cloning the drive. I've used a couple before but clonezilla is definitely 1 of the better ones imho. Its pretty fast. 7 hours to clone 1.5TB

Also, its based on debian so you should have no problems adapting to it in case anything goes wrong (not that anything has ever gone wrong). Just burn the ISO into CD or put it into a pendrive (which is what I do) and boot from it. Then follow the menus and you'll be fine. Also, prepare 1 external drive.

http://clonezilla.org/
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post Jul 15 2011, 05:53 PM

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[quote=G-17,Jul 15 2011, 05:46 PM]@Farkinid & Zai
It's actually "apt-get dist-upgrade" for when you upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy (Testing) or Sid (Unstable). apt-get upgrade alone won't cut it. Also note that the first time you dist-upgrade after changing sources, it's recommended you do it outside X, preferably inside an administrative init level (init 3 is usually enough)

Zai... Yup, all you have to do is change Squeeze to Testing in your sources.list
You can also have a hybrid of Stable, Testing and Unstable on the same install if you understand apt-pinning, but it might sound a bit too demanding to someone new to Debian.

Also note that a dist-upgrade after converting sources from Squeeze to Testing might not bring in a newer kernel. You might have to "apt-cache search linux-headers" and "apt-cache search linux-image" and manually install them the first time round. Not 100% sure since I haven't run Debian via a Stable netinstall image in a while (I prefer GRML)

Additional notes: Unstable has long since depreciated HAL in favour of Udev, but I'm not quite sure of Squeeze or Testing. Do pay attention to apt-output.


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post Jul 16 2011, 09:57 PM

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Is there any other way to increase it ?

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post Jul 17 2011, 04:05 AM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jul 16 2011, 11:00 PM)
^Increase what? Volume?
Run "alsamixer" in terminal and first make sure your Master and PCM are both turned up. Maybe other options like Front and Headphone as well.

Also, your previous post? ... why just quote me without saying anything? o.O
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post Aug 1 2011, 08:58 PM

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Hmm , is there any terminal based web browser which shows images as well ?

Links2 doesn show images in my urxvt sad.gif

Or is there any configs that i have missed laugh.gif ?
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post Aug 1 2011, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Aug 1 2011, 09:47 PM)
Start it with "links2 -g" ... kinda ugly, though (Ive never bothered finding out whether it can be customized or not)

There also w3m, which you can compile with image support, though it's a bit weird sometimes.

user posted image

On Debian, just "apt-get install w3m w3m-img"
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Ahh , looks weird with links2 (ugly actually sweat.gif )

But the thing is , links2 in urxvt does not support mouse clicking other than ESC menu's

Or its meant to be like that ?
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post Aug 1 2011, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Aug 1 2011, 10:04 PM)
Not sure. I haven't used it in a while. I mainly use elinks for my term www browser and uzbl or jumanji for my gui one, with aether chromium or ff as a fallback in case pages don't render properly.
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i'll stick to links2 for now laugh.gif quite easy to use nod.gif
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post Aug 2 2011, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(farkinid @ Aug 2 2011, 11:06 AM)
I don't get it, why use terminal based browser? The "normal" browsers are really powerful. Its not just for websurfing.
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Now im eager to try evilwm blink.gif

But i need more studying bout this wm rclxub.gif
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post Aug 2 2011, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Aug 2 2011, 01:53 PM)
I agree. Most of the intrawebs is heavy on graphics. Using a curses browser is just too much of a compromise most of the time. They're great (better tha gui, in fact) for browsing mailing lists and text-heavy bbs or the ocassional streamlined news site, but that's about it, tbh.
You can have elinks/links2/links pipe images out to feh for image viewing, but most would probably find that cumbersome. Speaking of which, I hope someone at Google releases some source code for G+ so that we can get a lightweight CLI client for it. It's a great service, but I'm fed up of all those animated circles and bubbles. Way too heavy for a netbook.

@farkinid
Didn't have much luck yesterday with the ATI SDK, which was expected since I'm missing a lot of ATI/AMD related libraries, not to mention the actual ATI hardware. Will try on another rig later.
If it's webkit, try Midori or Uzbl.
Uzbl is currently what I use nowadays on my Debian boxes (Jumanji on Arch boxes since AUR has it).
Tbh, if your hardware is recent, the new Firefox builds from the Mozilla Debian repo are excellent, particularly the Unstable, beta and Aurora daily snapshots.
http://mozilla.debian.net/

Regarding EvilWM, it's actually one of the simplest WMs around. Just install it, and the "man evilwm" in a term for all the info you need.
It's not for everyone, though. Some say it's too minimal.
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Gonna try to customize it when i got time for it
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post Aug 2 2011, 03:58 PM

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Hmm , about wm's

Evilwm vs Subtle

Which is much easier to be config and to use ?

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post Aug 4 2011, 10:59 PM

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To make tiling even more fun and easy to be customize , i've compiled everything in this thread into one PDF file laugh.gif

Thx to G-17 n Farkinid laugh.gif

And also everyone else laugh.gif

Click me to download

And it is open source laugh.gif

Source file

I will update the pdf if there is any changes

Any mischief in the information written in the pdf do tell me ohmy.gif

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post Aug 5 2011, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Aug 5 2011, 12:34 PM)
^ +1 rep.. oh wait.. wrong forum.

btw, anyone managed to run scrotwm and OB with SLIM?.  cry.gif
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Here laugh.gif wad happened ?

How do you start with ? xinit or xsession ?

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post Aug 5 2011, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Aug 5 2011, 08:33 PM)
I still haven't been able to get my hands on an AMD/ATI GFX based rig yet. Actually, I'm kinda curious on the SDKs as well, just for the sake of being up-to-date on the matter. it's embarassing how often I get asked about ATI stuff and have no answer for anyone. sad.gif
Sadly the only piace of hardware I have that has ATI gfx is this 7-8 yr old Acer Aspire laptop, and it seems the old proprietary drivers for that are all incompatible with the current Xorg as well as the SDK..... it only works with the open source driver, and with very limited functionality at that.

Your errors sound like a symlinking problem to me, btw. Can't help further as of right now, but that's my prelim assessment/guesstimate.

Added on August 5, 2011, 8:38 pm

Sorry for totally missing this question. Subtle and Evil are totally different beats. Evil, as you might realize by now, is extremely light and minimal, while Subtle is more full featured (though still pretty light).

Not quite sure how well Subtle works with the current Debian. It depends and is configured in Ruby, which was a bit of a mess on Debian when I last tried it (not surprising as it was the time all the branches came out of a frozen state right after the Squeeze official release). I personally have only tried Subtle with Arch and Slackware.

Subtle is heavily dependent on tagging, so unless you find the time to configure it to make use of tags and gravities, you might not get the best use out of it. Knowledge in Ruby (one of my fave languages, btw) definitely helps.I think it's a pretty decent WM, reason I don't use it now is because it's not minimal enough for me, and it's a bit too ... uhm ... widgety.

I have some old configs if you need em, though they'll probably require some level of editing to fit your workflow. I'll post a scrot in the desktop for you to take a look.
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Ahh laugh.gif thx

I was thinking of trying it coz it looks challenging (& cute with those icons) laugh.gif

Thinking whether or not to install Arch for that
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post Aug 6 2011, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Aug 5 2011, 09:02 PM)
Gaah!! .. I hate those icons (they're called sublets, btw).
As for Arch, try it if you want. It might prove a good learning experience, though seriously I'd recommend Slackware or Crux if you really wanna learn Linux, and then maybe go with Gentoo, Sorcerer or LFS in future.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Aug 6 2011, 12:18 AM)
I can config Scrotwm or Openbox with SLIM but not both of them. I want an option to select which WM to choose at login pretty much like GDM.
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@G-17 shocking.gif Gentoo , building packages need aloott of work laugh.gif

Arch will be nice

@Acid ya need to change it to use xsession in order to select , or add a few lines in .xinitrc might do the trick hmm.gif

CODE
# The following variable defines the session which is started if the user doesn't explicitly select a session
# Source: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/slim/trunk/xinitrc.sample

DEFAULT_SESSION=twm

case $1 in
kde)
exec startkde
;;
xfce4)
exec startxfce4
;;
icewm)
icewmbg &
icewmtray &
exec icewm
;;
wmaker)
exec wmaker
;;
blackbox)
exec blackbox
;;
*)
exec $DEFAULT_SESSION
;;
esac


Did u try adding these ?
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Aug 6 2011, 04:40 AM)
^ yeah i did.. but its not working.
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hmm , can u post your xinitrc and slim.conf ?
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Aug 6 2011, 05:19 PM)
.xinitrc
CODE
[SPOILER]#!/bin/bash
exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch openbox-session

set +fp /usr/share/fonts/local
xset fp rehash[/SPOILER]


slim.conf
CODE
[SPOILER]# Path, X server and arguments (if needed)
# Note: -xauth $authfile is automatically appended
default_path        /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin
default_xserver     /usr/bin/X
xserver_arguments -nolisten tcp vt07

# Commands for halt, login, etc.
halt_cmd            /sbin/shutdown -h now
reboot_cmd          /sbin/shutdown -r now
console_cmd         /usr/bin/xterm -C -fg white -bg black +sb -T "Console login" -e /bin/sh -c "/bin/cat /etc/issue; exec /bin/login"
#suspend_cmd        /usr/sbin/suspend

# Full path to the xauth binary
xauth_path         /usr/bin/xauth

# Xauth file for server
authfile           /var/run/slim.auth
# Activate numlock when slim starts. Valid values: on|off
# numlock             on

# Hide the mouse cursor (note: does not work with some WMs).
# Valid values: true|false
# hidecursor          false

# This command is executed after a succesful login.
# you can place the %session and %theme variables
# to handle launching of specific commands in .xinitrc
# depending of chosen session and slim theme
#
# NOTE: if your system does not have bash you need
# to adjust the command according to your preferred shell,
# i.e. for freebsd use:
# login_cmd           exec /bin/sh - ~/.xinitrc %session
login_cmd           exec /bin/bash -login ~/.xinitrc %session

# Commands executed when starting and exiting a session.
# They can be used for registering a X11 session with
# sessreg. You can use the %user variable
#
# sessionstart_cmd some command
# sessionstop_cmd some command

# Start in daemon mode. Valid values: yes | no
# Note that this can be overriden by the command line
# options "-d" and "-nodaemon"
# daemon yes

# Available sessions (first one is the default).
# The current chosen session name is replaced in the login_cmd
# above, so your login command can handle different sessions.
# see the xinitrc.sample file shipped with slim sources
sessions            xfce4,icewm,wmaker,blackbox

# Executed when pressing F11 (requires imagemagick)
screenshot_cmd      import -window root /slim.png

# welcome message. Available variables: %host, %domain
welcome_msg         Welcome to %host

# Session message. Prepended to the session name when pressing F1
# session_msg         Session:

# shutdown / reboot messages
shutdown_msg       The system is halting...
reboot_msg         The system is rebooting...

# default user, leave blank or remove this line
# for avoid pre-loading the username.
default_user        xacid9

# Focus the password field on start when default_user is set
# Set to "yes" to enable this feature
#focus_password      no

# Automatically login the default user (without entering
# the password. Set to "yes" to enable this feature
auto_login          yes
# current theme, use comma separated list to specify a set to
# randomly choose from
current_theme       default

# Lock file
lockfile            /var/lock/slim.lock

# Log file
logfile             /var/log/slim.log[/SPOILER]

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I will look through this once i get back from gathering rclxub.gif sorry for late inspect of this

Whole day being busy installing and tweaking my Archie to be parallel with my Debian 6 install laugh.gif

Im'ma new Arch Linux user reporting myself
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post Aug 7 2011, 02:57 AM

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After some tiring and f**k*ng hard of configuring Slim in Arch , ive succeeded to make it boot from xinitrc beautifully

Make sure your .xinitrc looks like this :

CODE
# The following variable defines the session which is started if the user doesn't explicitly select a session
# Source: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/slim/trunk/xinitrc.sample

DEFAULT_SESSION=openbox-session

case $1 in
evilwm)
xsetroot -solid "#333333" &
xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr &
#setxkbmap us &
synclient TapButton1=1 &
synclient VertEdgeScroll=1 &
synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1 &
feh --bg-scale /home/willeosoeurs/Pictures/Random/AmazingART/wallpaper-475682.jpg &
xcompmgr -cCfF -t-11 -l-12 -r8.8 -o1 -D4 &
thunar --daemon &
conky &
urxvtd -q -o -f &
xbacklight -70 &
xbindkeys &
exec evilwm
;;
xfce4)
exec startxfce4
;;
icewm)
icewmbg &
icewmtray &
exec icewm
;;
wmaker)
exec wmaker
;;
blackbox)
exec blackbox
;;
*)
#xsetroot -solid "#333333" &
#xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr &
#setxkbmap us &
synclient TapButton1=1 &
synclient VertEdgeScroll=1 &
synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1 &
feh --bg-scale /home/willeosoeurs/Pictures/Random/AmazingART/wallpaper-475682.jpg &
xcompmgr -cCfF -t-11 -l-12 -r8.8 -o1 -D4 &
thunar --daemon &
urxvtd -q -o -f &
xbacklight -70 &
exec $DEFAULT_SESSION
;;
esac



#synclient HorizTwoFingerScroll=1 &

#xbacklight -70 &
#xbindkeys &

#xcompmgr and brightness
#xcompmgr -c -t-5 -l-5 -r4.2 -o.55 &


#xscreensaver -no-splash &
#thunar --daemon &

#exec scrotwm

#for evilwm
#xbindkeys &
#exec /usr/bin/evilwm -term urxvt -snap 10 -bw 3 -fg grey

#for evilwm
#evilwm -term rxvt -snap 10 -bw 2 -fg gold


lets assume evilwm as scrotwm and openbox as your default

make sure that the exec of a window manager located at the most end after all the apps for startup

After that , please edit your slim.conf to look like this

CODE
# Available sessions (first one is the default).
# The current chosen session name is replaced in the login_cmd
# above, so your login command can handle different sessions.
# see the xinitrc.sample file shipped with slim sources
sessions            openbox,evilwm


This will make sure pressing F1 will redirect slim.conf's to be linked with xinitrc's

I know im bad with explanation , do ask question if i didn explain it clearly laugh.gif

Edit , idk why my xinitrc looks bad there , pls dl the xinitrc from here : http://ompldr.org/vOXNhNw/.xinitrc



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Loads of wm's biggrin.gif

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Added on August 9, 2011, 7:36 pm@G-17

Any comments on these wm's ? tongue.gif

Need your opinion about it biggrin.gif

wmii

xmonad

dwm

musca



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QUOTE(G-17 @ Aug 9 2011, 08:22 PM)
@Zai

60% of that long list of WMs available via pacman or yaourt are either broken or have been depreciated, fyi.... half of them probably don't even work with newer versions of Xorg and Xlib/XCB.
That's actually my main problem with Arch sources/package-maintainers. Their style is much like Malaysian commercial property developers .... know how to build, don't know how to maintain, and becomes a garbage dump as a result (cough... AUR... cough)

wmii - Probably most modular of all tiling wm. Scriptable in any language, though recommended configuration should be in either bash/dash or ruby on rails. Needs a lot of work to get working just right. Personally, I don't really like the curved-edged windecs it employs, though that's a purely a subjective issue. If interested, find a user called sunaku over at the Archtard forums. He's been using wmii since the time of the dinosaurs. Needs quite a lot of config files to work just right, and it's a manual tiler fyi.

xmonad - My ex-favourite WM. I used to used Xmonad  for a long time before I discovered ScrotWM (Many people call ScrotWM a Xmonad-Lite, btw). Requires some proficiency in HAskell, so I wouldn't recommend it if you don't know the language. Arguably the most full-featured tiling WM out there, with the most documentation. Pretty big compared to other wms (requires the Haskell compiler) and can be a pain for newbies. Xmobar is recommended as a panel, though I personally prefer dzen2. There should be a thread with configs in the Archnerd forum if you're interested. The Gentoo forums are a better place for xmonad stuff, imho. Also try the xmonad site.

dwm - Another old favourite. I still have it installed, in fact. Coded and configured in C. To get the best out of it, you'll need a lot of patches (search for dwm-sprinkles). It's codebase has gotten rather messy in recent years, but it's still one of the most configurable WMs out there. Reloading configs requires modifying the config.h file and recompiling (not a simple restart like Scrotwm or Openbox), so you'll either have to do that or creat a script that recompiles and restarts it for you.

musca - Great manual tiler, but I think the project died. Heard it was forked by someone and renamed, but I'm not 100% sure. Very light (as light as ScrotWM, in fact). Editing source requires knowledge in C, but configuring is in plain English and quite simple (also has the benefit of having startup apps in the same config). No panel, so probably requires conky or dzen2 to get the best use out of it.

I have some old configs for Xmonad, Musca and Dwm lying around on an external HD somewhere and can paste them later if you want, though it's also good to explore forums and teh main sites to get a better idea of their usage. The server in my mom's house has wmii installed, so I can remotely grab some configs from there as well. Let me know.
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G-17 , hw bout awesome and wmfs ? Any comment about it blink.gif

It seems that quite alot of people use awesome second to xmonad

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