Hi all,

I just curious if somebody test it and how the configuration. After the BTU or just after the Residential Gateway. Let discuss it..

Here is my current config: -

BTU -- Homeplug (1st flr) -- (Ground flr) Homeplug - RG + IPTV

Using TP-Link TL-PA201KIT (RM 169).

any problem? how about the IPTV? any jerking picture?

actually i also considering to have the home plug but after browsing the iptv for 1 day i give up...no owrth the value to invest on home plug

ahahaah i totally switch off my iptv .....

just wondering, if IPTV using a pair of powerline home plug, then for the rest of PC, still capable to using homeplug too? because what am i understand that, the TM dlink wireless router's port 1 is preset for IPTV, if Home plug-1 is connected to Dlink router port, Homeplug-2 is connect to Tv, then the PC is connect to homeplug -3, will the PC still capable to online or surfing net???? any method to solve this situation if more than 2 PC is using the powerline homeplugs???

thanks..

its possible..just create a new network for the plugs....so IPTV will have 2 plugs..and ur computer network will have another pair on its own...

yup, create new pair for data.

I've been trying to plan a network of homeplugs for my upcoming Unifi installation in my condo.

I understand I need a separate set of homeplugs for data and IPTV, but am a bit confused now as to where to put the RG and STB.

Requirements are

a) PC in the living room, where the BTU will be
b) PC in master bedroom, also where I want the STB to be
c) PC in second bedroom

Planning to get a bunch of Homeplugs to link them all, but need advice on where to put the various boxes, and how to configure the homeplugs to differentiate between the data ones (for the PCs) and the IPTV ones.

Any help is appreciated.

The simple way is to used homeplug just for one service. My advice used the homelug for data. So, its better to you have the btu, and rg at your master bedroom where u want to put ur iptv. Then from there u can extend the data transmission using homeplug to other place. Use only 3 homeplug with one as a something like master and 2 more as a slave. This solution only applicable if u willing to hack your condo up to ur master bedroom.
Or
You can create 2 homeplug network to connect data and iptv. So u need to hack ur condo up to living room and need to have btu and rg there. Then extend the iptv line using one pair to the masterbedroom and put ur stb there. Then u need to have another pair to transmit the data to pc. Setback is u need to have more homeplug and enough power plug at ur living room.

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Added on April 16, 2011, 8:51 pmor

you can have the BTU at the living hall (less hacking). connect the rj45 from the btu to homeplug and pair it (pair 1) to another homeplug to your master bedroom. from there you can connect the RG and STB and have 2 wired connection to your pc and iptv STB. then take another homeplug and connect from another RG ethernet port (data) to homeplug and create another pair (pair 2) and connect it to living hall pc and second bedroom pc. This configuration need 5 home plug and pricey. So if your condo can covered by wireless, better buy wireless adapter for the pc at another bedroom and living hall. this will used 2 homeplug and it can prevent you to do a lot of hacking.


This post has been edited by ntah_le: Apr 16 2011, 08:51 PM

Hmm, I didn't think of the first option. I already have a phone socket in the master bedroom, so it would be possible to put the BTU there. As mentioned, I live in a condo, and the Unifi will come in through VDSL. Does this mean that there will not be any hacking, and the Unifi tech guy just comes in and connects the BTU straight to the phone socket? And if so, would any phone socket work? I rather not do any hacking for wiring, which is why I'm considering homeplugs in the 1st place. If I was willing to do hacking, I would just put in Cat cables and make a Gigabit Ethernet LAN instead

Thanks for the insight.

BTW, I assume you are already using homeplugs. If so, may I just ask if you are using the 85Mbps variety or the newer 200Mbps type? Just wanting to know as I would be planning to stream 1080p HD content from the NAS in the study to the media player outside in living room, and was wondering if the 200Mbps type can cope with the traffic.



This post has been edited by tritonite: Apr 16 2011, 09:05 PM

used 200Mbps.. but if you willing to wait.. wait for 500Mbs... and find out the chipset maker as well. Either DS2 or Atheros.. my advice.. go for atheros..

on the same topic..does it work by putting it on the extension cord or must be directly to the wall socket?

Yeah, not sure whether to wait for AV2 (500Mbps) or not. Those will only start appearing in the market 3Q of this year, and the initial ones will probably be expensive, especially when I need to get them in bulk - i.e. at least 4.


It is suggested that you plug them directly into the wall socket for optimum performance. Plugging them into an extension may cause deterioration in performance depending on the quality of the extension, or may not work entirely. Plugging it into something with a surge protector definitely doesn't work.

If, like me, you don't have many plug outlets in certain rooms, you may need to consider getting homeplugs that have pass through AC. They cost a bit more than regular ones, but may be worth it



This post has been edited by tritonite: Apr 16 2011, 09:32 PM

ic ic...how much u bought yours? do u get fast stable speed with it?

im considering to get one as i am not satisfied with the speed i get over wifi

I'm currently using 85Mbps ones. They are mostly stable, but are not good enough to stream HD content to my media player, which is why I'm considering getting 200Mbps ones.

Regular ones cost between RM80-95 each at Digital Mall SS14, depending on brand. Don't know about Lowyat Plaza.

Pass-through ones from Aztech cost RM120.

I've got 1 question about this. WORKS ON A 3 PHASE POWER???
I've read it somewhere that it won't perform so well ...

RM85.00 is still okay. If U go & get a contractor to conceal RJ45 it's gonna cost about RM80.00-RM120.00 per point & that's for workmanship only. Branded CAT6 is about RM600+-. If it's 6-10 points & don't mind messy abit then CONCEAL CABLE works best.

I've never get to try it yet. Internet research from what I read works best as below:
BTU<-->BPL<-->Router<-->PC/IPTV
Let the router do it's job. Spread out from there.

Almost all of medium-cost and higher properties built in the last 15 years are 3 Phase.

I live in a condo with 3 Phase, and my homeplugs work fine.

However, reading around, I think it depends on the quality of the electrical system in the individual home. If there's a solid copper link between the phases, it should be indistinguishable from a single phase system.

Like extension cords, it all depends on whether there's a continuous path of copper, as opposed to substandard combos.


You need to remember that if you lay Cat5e/Cat6 cables, you get Gigabit quality speeds, whereas the 200Mbps plus, even in an optimal environment, are not up to 100Base-T speeds.

Reference chart

This post has been edited by tritonite: Apr 17 2011, 12:12 AM

working on 3 phase if ur plug came from one phase.. need to check first. if not the implementation become more complex.. on the cat6.. i think cat 5e is enough..

either on the trunk or not.. it will works fine.. but you need to separate pairing each pair for that purpose...

Guys, how is the latency using the homeplug? Would it be better than using wireless?

Latency im not sure. But bit error rate is better. Far better

Because of the higher quantity of concrete and electrical wiring in our walls over here, wireless is inherently less effective here than in the West.

To get an insight into what factors cause homeplugs to be less effective, I would strongly suggest you watch some videos by surestreamer on Youtube. It's by Eco Dream Venture, a company here in Malaysia who is proposing a device called Powerline-Ace to reduce the problems inherent in the technology. Calvin, the CTO, explains the problems much better than I can. Since the company is located near me, I am going to go see them some time in the next few days to see whether powerline technology will be a viable alternative to wired networking.

surestreamer's channel on Youtube

This is my ping result comparing WiFi and Homeplug

WiFi - 6~8ms
Homeplug - 3~5ms

So, homeplug latency is definitely better.
I'm using Homeplug for my TV which is at master bedroom while the 615 is at living room.

Planning something like this.

May I ask if you are reliably streaming 1080p to your master bedroom TV? If so, are you using 200Mbps plugs, and if they are plugged into wall sockets or extension power cord?

Let me tell you my experience with extension cord.

Due to the insufficient of plug point, I have no choice but to use power trip extension gang although it is not recommended.

At first, both ends of the Homeplug are connected to power strip like this

Router end: -- X X X H
TV end: -- X X X H

-- = Power Cord
X = Other electrical device (i.e. Dect phone, BTU, DLink 615, TV)
H = Aztech Homeplug AV

Watching SD channels are fine, but when it comes to HD channels like LUXE.TV totally cannot use all blockish and garbled picture.

Somehow I got it perfectly working now by switching the Homeplug to the closest one near the power cord cable like this.


Router end: -- H X X X
TV end: -- H X X X

I guess the problem occur when the Homeplug signal got alot of interference while struggling to channel through 3 electrical devices on the power strip. Switching it to the 1st outlet nearest to the cord solves the issue.

EDIT: HyppTV HD channels are 1080i, not 1080p

This post has been edited by tanghm: Apr 19 2011, 09:58 AM

yup.. i agree with u. if u are using ext cord.. please make sure plug the homeplug to the first/nearest socket

ya...it true..if not maybe u suffering slow connection...

Get a Aztech HL 110 EP, u won't waste a plug point at least!

Costs about RM120 @ LOW YAT

I got 4, dual connection of IPTV & Data from MASTER, stream to whole house.

So far so good......



This post has been edited by dejazz: Apr 19 2011, 06:46 PM

How you separate data and IPTV?

I'm working on that at the moment. Will probably involve an economiser.

create 2 pair for homeplug. one pair for iptv and one pair for data..

I see, never used homeplug before. Dunno 1 house can run multiple lan using homeplug. If the homeplug support vlan tagging and trunking it will be better.

it will support vlan tagging... should be no problem.

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Added on April 20, 2011, 9:39 amMaybe some homeplug do not support IGMP ver3 for IPTV operation.

This post has been edited by ntah_le: Apr 20 2011, 09:39 AM

I used Homeplug for IPTV its working without any problem im using aztch homeplug

hi,

i otw getting vip5, and plan used DIR-615 as Bridge Mode + WRT54GL Tomato, my noob question is :-

IPTV, can i use with my PC in my room ? can i used same time with my TV at hall ? How can i manage/setup , what equipment need? plz guide and tqvm

Distance plan :-
a) Router IPTV - PC = 8-10meter
b) Router IPTV - TV = 10-12 Meter
c) possible control different chanel with different pc/tv ? how abt remote ?

IPTV on PC.. NO, u need STB huawei for that because of the DRM..

hi

i have two pair of homeplugs.
one pair for data
another paid is for iptv.

but the iptv just dont work fine.
.. i have a problem with my IPTV.. the picture appear to be jagged. my internet appear to work fine.


how do you configure two pair of homeplugs working in the same powerline?

i have 1 x HL110EW (wireless N extender) and 3 x HL110E

Hi, good news.... Aztech 500Mbps HomePlug AV with AC Pass Through will be available soon in July. Remember to check out Aztech Website for special launch promotion

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Added on June 23, 2011, 10:38 amYou need to changed the Network name in the Homeplug.
Install the utility and you will see the NEtwork name are AV Homeplug for all 4 units.
You have to separate them by changing Network names to IPTV (2units) and Internet (2units).
Then they will link to it's own network...

This post has been edited by moonstar: Jun 23 2011, 10:38 AM

thanks for ur reply.
tried that but everytime i reopen the utility, the network name revert back to HomePlugAV

I think you need to make the pair separately.

I thought already got 1000Mbps aztech plug.. Why introduce 500Mbps.. Why not just extend 1000mbps series..

Any idea if home plug can work in 3 phase electric wiring?

All network components must be on same phase wiring.

Do you understand how the 3 phase wiring layout at your premise?

that... need to find out. thanks.

hi, i have one 110EW n 110EP,

1)can i know just plug both into power socket can use already?
or need to press the connect button below at the same time for pairing only can use?

2)my BTU at level 2, can i jus attach the cable from BTU to 110EP, then another side attach with 110EW with router?

BTU+110EP----110EW+router (then only come out with iptv LAN4 and PC with LAN1)

TQ.

you need one pair in order to work.

e.g. use 110EW and plug the cable from RG to 110EW. then another plug (110EP), use the cable to plug into your pc/notebook. then can use already.

cannot plug from BTU to 110EP...

Yup.. agreed. Please refer to manual how to pair it

Bought a pair of these recently (the latest Aztech 500MBPS with passthru), when my WIFI-N starts lagging when streaming HD movie...it works fine...speed is maybe around 170Mbps, according to the Aztech software....but now, the WIFI N300 is ok again...suspect it could be TVERSITY having problem previously due to cache/temp files too full...now no lagging after i clean up the cache even when streaming uncompressed BD over 30GB++ on the Wifi-N300.....regret blowing RM260 on the pairs of homeplugs...haiz....

Anyone wanna buy? Might wanna let it go.

I m using tplink home plug. My setup is BTU to Homeplug on 2nd floor and Homeplug to Router on ground floor.

Works fine

There is no chipset support 1gbps. Maybe you come accross with gigle that some manufacturer used for 1gbps. But the problem is i think gigle not in the homeplg alliance and it will make it difficult to interoperability later.

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Added on August 28, 2011, 6:23 amActually homeplug ' connected' through the neutral cable in 3 phase wiring. So, u still can connected but maybe not strong connection.


This post has been edited by ntah_le: Aug 28 2011, 06:23 AM

How much does this Homeplug cost and does it comes in pair?

I bought a pair of tplinks home plug av at rm150, from sri computer. the slower non-av was less than rm100 for a pair (if I remember correctly)

Can I know if my mobo (MSI P67a-GD55) network chipset can support Aztech 280E which is 1000Mbps?

what is the diff between AV set and non-AV set?

(apart from bandwidth)

the problem is my setup: BTU- 110EP (2nd floor) to 110EP- RG (1st floor), works fine on both iptv n data.
but if: BTU- 110EP (2nd floor) to 110EW- RG (1st floor), cannot use at all, i only replace one 110EP with 110EW cannot work, all paired already..

should be ok for both... maybe u need to pair it again..

Guys, please be aware of the Aztech HL280E (1Gbps model). I read from somewhere that mentioned about the stability and heat issue with this model. That is the one of the reason why Aztech went back and come out with the new HL115EP which has lower speed than the HL280E.

Do google around to decide which one suit u better. And I don't you need the 1Gbps connection unless you are doing a lot of streaming from your local storage.

Yeah.. better buy 500Mbps homeplug. HL115EP is on of it. Because of the Homeplug alliance and interoperability.

I would like to setup two pairs of Homeplug with the following setup:

1st pair (for IPTV)
1. 3ph 415V
2. BTU@1st floor>RG>(LAN 4 from RG)HL115EP>wall socket
3. wall socket>HL110E>Set Top Box>HDTV

the problem now is how should I set up another pair of HL115EP for DATA from RG? Is there a configuration to set the Homeplug to recognize which Homeplug I want it to recognize? (i.e. 1st pair for IPTV, 2nd pair for data). Please guide me, tqtq

How about distance?
I had the unifi install at my office, but wanna use the IPTV at my home which is just opposite, around 100m.

Currently using maxis home at home, don't know when the IPTV will come

it must be on the same powerline to use homeplugs.
your house is using the same powerline wth ur office?

I'm not too sure, i stay at condo, and i rent another unit opposite as my office, does it count as same powerline?

I think that will be not the same power line.
Same power line means on the same meter.

Thanks

Guys, I got question. Does home plug usually come in pair? Or have to buy 2? Very new this home plug thing.

Hi, I bought TP-Link TL-PA211KIT (pair) several days ago, to connect STB at ground floor to TP-Link TD-W8960N ADSL/AP/Router at 1st floor. Yes, I am using the TD-W8960N as the stock DIR615 replacement. I configured it to channel IPTV (Vlan 600) to port 4 of the router, and connects it to the HomePlug.

Unifi --> RG -> TD-W8960N --> HP1 *****> HPg --> STB --> TV

HP1 : First floor HomePlug
HPg : Ground floor HomePlug

It works great, but, sometime got frame freeze. Previously I tried using 2 WiFi N APs in Repeater Bridge mode, but it is worse.. It is due to Multicast UDP stream which carries the video stream. It is a well know problem for WiFi to stream Multicast , eventhough the stream is just at 5Mb/s (Megabit/s).

At least with HomePlug, YouTube stream is working flawless, where it use standard HTTP/TCP.

BTW, my house is using 3 phase electrical wiring I read somewhere that HomePlug may not working properly, but, it just works. I tried using it at several places, and the worst case senaria is it works at least, at 2Mbps (HP1@1st floor living room and HPg@kitchen). without ANY packet loss. Not try to put STB at kitchen yet, but, I may try it someday..

Ping responds are betewen 3-10 ms based on the location or distance. But, the most important thing is, NO packet loss, compared to WiFi N, which may get a very good ping respond around 1-2 ms, but, lots of packets loss, and this is the main problem for realtime streaming or gaming.

Oya, 1 more thing, I also read that HomePlug cannot be use on extensions + multiplier, but guess what, the HP1 is on 2 chained 10+2+2 m extension and multipliers!.

Wall plug --> 2m, 6 ports multiplier -> 10m 2 ports extentions --> 2m, 4 ports multiplier <-- HP1

Yeah, that is bad... but, it works... I plan to simplify the connections, if I have time, and hoping to get better performance....

Typically I got average working speed rate at 36 Mbps with the current setups.

Conclusion : I am qute happy with the TP-Link TL-PA211KIT (MYR155) even though there is a time to time frame freeze problem with multcast streaming TV channels. but, it works on multipliers, extension and 3 phases wiring! But, I am not saying that HomePlug will works at your place/setup.

Thank you.

This post has been edited by bahathir: Aug 30 2012, 05:26 AM

Hi guys

I am new to this homeplug. Tried it yesterday, however the powerlink led was glowing red on the default setting. Both of them were plugged into the wall socket directly.



Seems that my LED downlight causing the power link to glow red. Any one has the same experience?

This post has been edited by Quanta: Dec 12 2012, 10:41 PM

Hello everyone, really need your help.

I am using 3 tp-link homeplugs.

1. 1st homeplug located upstairs room with the modem & phone.
2. 2nd homeplug located downstairs room with D-Link DIr-615 router. My desktop & laptop is located here.
3. 3rd homeplug is at living room with iptv-box.

My iptv keeps showing error 9820, I read at another thread that the box must be connected to the router at LAN 4(red socket). But with my setup I am unable to do so, is there any other solutions?

Thank you very much.

Me got same poblem...
Btw is it possibe to use Ethernet splitter? Combine port 4&3, so we can get both internet and iptv?

This post has been edited by console: Apr 14 2013, 11:54 AM

@ post #68 & #69

i think you'll need 2 pairs of home plug

1 pair between modem - router (WAN)
1 pair from router (IPTV port) - iptv box

This post has been edited by safwanuar: Dec 13 2013, 05:14 PM

This is my setup:

BTU ---> HP 1 ---> HP 2 ---> WR1043ND (Internet Access)

HP 1 ---> HP 3 ---> DIR-615 ---> STB (IPTV)

In short:
1. I used 3 Aztech Homeplugs
2. From BTU split into two directions (First Homeplug paired to TWO Homeplugs)
3. First direction is to WR1043ND
4. Second direction is to DIR-615 which is connected to STB to provide IPTV

* Both routers (TP-Link WR1043ND AND Dir-615) are dialing the same Unifi account (same username and password) SIMULTANEOUSLY.

This post has been edited by Nashraf: Dec 13 2013, 07:15 PM

hi Nashraf,
i'm thinking of doing something like your setting.
questions do you run 2 dhcp servers, ie the WR1043ND is on a different network? and the DIR-615 is on another network? cuz i plan to use DIR-615 to extend my wifi as well.

thanks

I'm still confused with homeplug.
Let say i'm using two sets (or pairs) of homeplug, each with the same exact model, one pair for iptv and another for data. how these two pairs know that they are in the different internet network since they are all connected in one electrical network? Do they need to be configured?
So far from my understanding homeplug is just plug and play and it works just like network switches. Please enlighten me.