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tritonite
post Apr 16 2011, 01:46 AM

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I've been trying to plan a network of homeplugs for my upcoming Unifi installation in my condo.

I understand I need a separate set of homeplugs for data and IPTV, but am a bit confused now as to where to put the RG and STB.

Requirements are

a) PC in the living room, where the BTU will be
b) PC in master bedroom, also where I want the STB to be
c) PC in second bedroom

Planning to get a bunch of Homeplugs to link them all, but need advice on where to put the various boxes, and how to configure the homeplugs to differentiate between the data ones (for the PCs) and the IPTV ones.

Any help is appreciated.
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post Apr 16 2011, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(ntah_le @ Apr 16 2011, 08:27 PM)
The simple way is to used homeplug just for one service. My advice used the homelug for data. So, its better to you have the btu, and rg at your master bedroom where u want to put ur iptv. Then from there u can extend the data transmission using homeplug to other place. Use only 3 homeplug with one as a something like master and 2 more as a slave. This solution only applicable if u willing to hack your condo up to ur master bedroom.
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You can create 2 homeplug network to connect data and iptv.  So u need to hack ur condo up to living room and need to have btu and rg there. Then extend the iptv line using one pair to the masterbedroom and put ur stb there. Then u need to have another pair to transmit the data to pc. Setback is u need to have more homeplug and enough power plug at ur living room.

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you can have the BTU at the living hall (less hacking). connect the rj45 from the btu to homeplug and pair it (pair 1) to another homeplug to your master bedroom. from there you can connect the RG and STB and have 2 wired connection to your pc and iptv STB. then take another homeplug and connect from another RG ethernet port (data) to homeplug and create another pair (pair 2) and connect it to living hall pc and second bedroom pc. This configuration need 5 home plug and pricey. So if your condo can covered by wireless, better buy wireless adapter for the pc at another bedroom and living hall. this will used 2 homeplug and it can prevent you to do a lot of hacking.
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Hmm, I didn't think of the first option. I already have a phone socket in the master bedroom, so it would be possible to put the BTU there. As mentioned, I live in a condo, and the Unifi will come in through VDSL. Does this mean that there will not be any hacking, and the Unifi tech guy just comes in and connects the BTU straight to the phone socket? And if so, would any phone socket work? I rather not do any hacking for wiring, which is why I'm considering homeplugs in the 1st place. If I was willing to do hacking, I would just put in Cat cables and make a Gigabit Ethernet LAN instead smile.gif

Thanks for the insight.

BTW, I assume you are already using homeplugs. If so, may I just ask if you are using the 85Mbps variety or the newer 200Mbps type? Just wanting to know as I would be planning to stream 1080p HD content from the NAS in the study to the media player outside in living room, and was wondering if the 200Mbps type can cope with the traffic.



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post Apr 16 2011, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(ntah_le @ Apr 16 2011, 09:14 PM)
used 200Mbps.. but if you willing to wait.. wait for 500Mbs... and find out the chipset maker as well. Either DS2 or Atheros.. my advice.. go for atheros..
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Yeah, not sure whether to wait for AV2 (500Mbps) or not. Those will only start appearing in the market 3Q of this year, and the initial ones will probably be expensive, especially when I need to get them in bulk - i.e. at least 4.


QUOTE(izkon @ Apr 16 2011, 09:15 PM)
on the same topic..does it work by putting it on the extension cord or must be directly to the wall socket?
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It is suggested that you plug them directly into the wall socket for optimum performance. Plugging them into an extension may cause deterioration in performance depending on the quality of the extension, or may not work entirely. Plugging it into something with a surge protector definitely doesn't work.

If, like me, you don't have many plug outlets in certain rooms, you may need to consider getting homeplugs that have pass through AC. They cost a bit more than regular ones, but may be worth it

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QUOTE(izkon @ Apr 16 2011, 09:36 PM)
ic ic...how much u bought yours? do u get fast stable speed with it?

im considering to get one as i am not satisfied with the speed i get over wifi
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I'm currently using 85Mbps ones. They are mostly stable, but are not good enough to stream HD content to my media player, which is why I'm considering getting 200Mbps ones.

Regular ones cost between RM80-95 each at Digital Mall SS14, depending on brand. Don't know about Lowyat Plaza.

Pass-through ones from Aztech cost RM120.
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post Apr 17 2011, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(khoodennis @ Apr 17 2011, 12:03 AM)
I've got 1 question about this. WORKS ON A 3 PHASE POWER???
I've read it somewhere that it won't perform so well ...
Almost all of medium-cost and higher properties built in the last 15 years are 3 Phase.

I live in a condo with 3 Phase, and my homeplugs work fine.

However, reading around, I think it depends on the quality of the electrical system in the individual home. If there's a solid copper link between the phases, it should be indistinguishable from a single phase system.

Like extension cords, it all depends on whether there's a continuous path of copper, as opposed to substandard combos.

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RM85.00 is still okay. If U go & get a contractor to conceal RJ45 it's gonna cost about RM80.00-RM120.00 per point & that's for workmanship only. Branded CAT6 is about RM600+-. If it's 6-10 points & don't mind messy abit then CONCEAL CABLE works best.

You need to remember that if you lay Cat5e/Cat6 cables, you get Gigabit quality speeds, whereas the 200Mbps plus, even in an optimal environment, are not up to 100Base-T speeds.

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post Apr 17 2011, 10:53 PM

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Because of the higher quantity of concrete and electrical wiring in our walls over here, wireless is inherently less effective here than in the West.

To get an insight into what factors cause homeplugs to be less effective, I would strongly suggest you watch some videos by surestreamer on Youtube. It's by Eco Dream Venture, a company here in Malaysia who is proposing a device called Powerline-Ace to reduce the problems inherent in the technology. Calvin, the CTO, explains the problems much better than I can. Since the company is located near me, I am going to go see them some time in the next few days to see whether powerline technology will be a viable alternative to wired networking.

surestreamer's channel on Youtube
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post Apr 18 2011, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(tanghm @ Apr 18 2011, 02:04 PM)
So, homeplug latency is definitely better.
I'm using Homeplug for my TV which is at master bedroom while the 615 is at living room.
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Planning something like this.

May I ask if you are reliably streaming 1080p to your master bedroom TV? If so, are you using 200Mbps plugs, and if they are plugged into wall sockets or extension power cord?
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post Apr 19 2011, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(aneip @ Apr 19 2011, 10:23 PM)
How you separate data and IPTV?
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I'm working on that at the moment. Will probably involve an economiser.

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