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TSjojozep
post Mar 1 2011, 05:54 PM, updated 14y ago

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Anyone have this problem?
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post Mar 1 2011, 06:02 PM

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this thing hapen evwhere...so, ask them to rebuilt la...or dont pay them
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post Mar 1 2011, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 1 2011, 05:54 PM)
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1st, do you already paid them in full? if not, then congrat.... you can hold their payment until they follow the spec and change the things.
make sure there is not additional charges when you want them to change and follow back the spec

2nd, terminated them, and hire another contractor.
TSjojozep
post Mar 1 2011, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(KirRoyale @ Mar 1 2011, 06:52 PM)
1st, do you already paid them in full? if not, then congrat.... you can hold their payment until they follow the spec and change the things.
make sure there is not additional charges when you want them to change and follow back the spec

2nd, terminated them, and hire another contractor.
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Do architect and engineers make site visits to check? or have to pay them to check?
Eleganz Concept
post Mar 1 2011, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 1 2011, 05:54 PM)
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Just try to ask, is the specs is so important that have to following 100%? or is only a minor diff? do you try to communicate with the contractor why this is happen? may be there is some problem on site which the person who make the spec do not realise?
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post Mar 1 2011, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 1 2011, 11:36 PM)
Do architect and engineers make site visits to check? or have to pay them to check?
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Depends on who you looking, if you want to hire them in proper way, then of cos they will charge you.

Will be easy if you have friend working as an architect.

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TSjojozep
post Mar 2 2011, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Mar 1 2011, 11:46 PM)
Just try to ask, is the specs is so important that have to following 100%? or is only a minor diff? do you try to communicate with the contractor why this is happen? may be there is some problem on site which the person who make the spec do not realise?
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Is this the norm? The specs says 4 J16 rods but he uses 6 J12 rods but he says is strong enough
so it is already not following the specs...

For car pavement over existing drain, recommended BRC but he uses J16 bars and tie them, he says this is stronger - not following specs..

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post Mar 2 2011, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 01:45 AM)
Is this the norm? The specs says 4 J16 rods but he uses 6 J12 rods but he says is strong enough
so it is already not following the specs...

For car pavement over existing drain, recommended BRC but he uses J16 bars and tie them, he says this is stronger - not following specs..

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ok, ic, if you already have the specs detail b4 work started and the contractor aware of it, then he is responsible to make sure giving everything acording to the specs, you have a right to ask then to re-do, but is really strong enough or not, then have to refer back to architect, let say architect also say is actually is strong enough, then u can choose want to ask them to re-do or not.
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post Mar 2 2011, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 01:45 AM)
Is this the norm? The specs says 4 J16 rods but he uses 6 J12 rods but he says is strong enough
so it is already not following the specs...

For car pavement over existing drain, recommended BRC but he uses J16 bars and tie them, he says this is stronger - not following specs..

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4J16??

u mean 4Y16 right smile.gif or 4T16 tongue.gif
TSjojozep
post Mar 2 2011, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(skng03 @ Mar 2 2011, 02:24 AM)
4J16??

u mean 4Y16 right smile.gif  or 4T16 tongue.gif
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yes..it is Y16 and T16 , don't know where the J came from..too confused..looking at engineering drawings..
also what is pad footing 1200 mm ? is it 3 feet deep and 3 feet wide cement footing for column?


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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Mar 2 2011, 02:19 AM)
ok, ic, if you already have the specs detail b4 work started and the contractor aware of it, then he is responsible to make sure giving everything acording to the specs, you have a right to ask then to re-do, but is really strong enough or not, then have to refer back to architect, let say architect also say is actually is strong enough, then u can choose want to ask them to re-do or not.
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Mpst contractors in Malaysia like that from experience? When I confronted him, it seems he has not read the specs..or choose to ignore it..

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post Mar 2 2011, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 07:45 AM)
yes..it is Y16 and T16 , don't know where the J came from..too confused..looking at engineering drawings..
also what is pad footing 1200 mm ? is it 3 feet deep and 3 feet wide cement footing for column?


Added on March 2, 2011, 8:01 am
Mpst contractors in Malaysia like that from experience? When I confronted him, it seems he has not read the specs..or choose to ignore it..
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well, from what i know, mostly are actually like that. because if a minor house extention, they will just ignore the spec since they think they had done a lot and no problem so far, and they normally will think architect always giving a spec more then what should they use simply becoz architect not the person work on site.

But if you looking for a formal designer company which have own architect to build a bangalow house, they will of coz following all the spec but of coz the price must be extreamly higher compare to the contractor around.
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post Mar 2 2011, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 07:45 AM)
yes..it is Y16 and T16 , don't know where the J came from..too confused..looking at engineering drawings..
also what is pad footing 1200 mm ? is it 3 feet deep and 3 feet wide cement footing for column?


Added on March 2, 2011, 8:01 am
Mpst contractors in Malaysia like that from experience? When I confronted him, it seems he has not read the specs..or choose to ignore it..
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What is everyone's opinion? rclxub.gif


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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Mar 2 2011, 12:47 PM)
well, from what i know, mostly are actually like that. because if a minor house extention, they will just ignore the spec since they think they had done a lot and no problem so far, and they normally will think architect always giving a spec more then what should they use simply becoz architect not the person work on site.

But if you looking for a formal designer company which have own architect to build a bangalow house, they will of coz following all the spec but of coz the price must be extreamly higher compare to the contractor around.
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You are right, this is what contractor say, architect not person on site.. rclxub.gif

Thank you, you are very honest-one..like that how do we get the CF? I heard that I need council officer to visit the completed site before issue of CF
or most people do not proceed to CF and loses their deposit as too much hassle/risk.

Like that 9 out of 10 people who renovate will not comply if choose the lowest quote - sure cannot meet one..



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post Mar 2 2011, 02:16 PM

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In ideal world, they sud always refer to the specs for requirements. what is their excuse of not following the specs? its very irresponsible contractor.
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post Mar 2 2011, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(myonedeco @ Mar 2 2011, 02:16 PM)
In ideal world, they sud always refer to the specs for requirements. what is their excuse of not following the specs? its very irresponsible contractor.
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Contractor says cannot make money...specs too high -


Added on March 2, 2011, 11:45 pmNow the columns and beams are exposed, so we can see the size.
I was wondering if the walls and columns are plastered, how would anyone know they curi? or experienced eye can see?

To really check, have to break or dig to see how deep, who will do it?
Anyone knows? Once approval given by council, who monitors?

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post Mar 3 2011, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 03:21 PM)

Added on March 2, 2011, 11:42 pm
Contractor says cannot make money...specs too high -


Added on March 2, 2011, 11:45 pmNow the columns and beams are exposed, so we can see the size.
I was wondering if the walls and columns are plastered, how would anyone know they curi? or experienced eye can see?

To really check, have to break or dig to see how deep, who will do it?
Anyone knows? Once approval given by council, who monitors?
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Its the contractor's responsibility to follow spec according what stated in the engineering drawing in the first place. If they think the drawing is over spec, they have to consult u upfront and suggest their method to reduce cost and than submit to architect which normally architect will accept. If they change the method after the tender process, its not according what agreed. No of steel rods, footing size, beam size, water proofing spec, cement grade ( make sure u know how to monitor what grade their are using) all are important.
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post Mar 5 2011, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 1 2011, 06:54 PM)
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there`s only few endings

1) bribe the engineer to close one eye........
2) this is most cunning of all.... bribe the technician so that he know when strict engineer is coming, and on that day, all the goods follow spec... and daay before and after is not according to spec
3) engineer found out and redo thewhole thing and bear the cost incurred...... that is the worst case scenario.. that is why they resort to option 1


Added on March 5, 2011, 10:42 am
QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 04:21 PM)

Added on March 2, 2011, 11:42 pm
Contractor says cannot make money...specs too high -

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problem arise when owner want to pay RM 20k for a new merz

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Mar 5 2011, 10:42 AM

 

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