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What happen if contractor did not follow specs, - engineering specs
What happen if contractor did not follow specs, - engineering specs
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Mar 1 2011, 05:54 PM, updated 14y ago
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Anyone have this problem?
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Mar 1 2011, 06:02 PM
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this thing hapen evwhere...so, ask them to rebuilt la...or dont pay them
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Mar 1 2011, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 1 2011, 05:54 PM) 1st, do you already paid them in full? if not, then congrat.... you can hold their payment until they follow the spec and change the things.make sure there is not additional charges when you want them to change and follow back the spec 2nd, terminated them, and hire another contractor. |
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Mar 1 2011, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE(KirRoyale @ Mar 1 2011, 06:52 PM) 1st, do you already paid them in full? if not, then congrat.... you can hold their payment until they follow the spec and change the things. Do architect and engineers make site visits to check? or have to pay them to check?make sure there is not additional charges when you want them to change and follow back the spec 2nd, terminated them, and hire another contractor. |
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Mar 1 2011, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 1 2011, 05:54 PM) Just try to ask, is the specs is so important that have to following 100%? or is only a minor diff? do you try to communicate with the contractor why this is happen? may be there is some problem on site which the person who make the spec do not realise? |
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Mar 1 2011, 11:49 PM
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Mar 2 2011, 01:45 AM
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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Mar 1 2011, 11:46 PM) Just try to ask, is the specs is so important that have to following 100%? or is only a minor diff? do you try to communicate with the contractor why this is happen? may be there is some problem on site which the person who make the spec do not realise? Is this the norm? The specs says 4 J16 rods but he uses 6 J12 rods but he says is strong enough so it is already not following the specs... For car pavement over existing drain, recommended BRC but he uses J16 bars and tie them, he says this is stronger - not following specs.. |
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Mar 2 2011, 02:19 AM
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 01:45 AM) Is this the norm? The specs says 4 J16 rods but he uses 6 J12 rods but he says is strong enough ok, ic, if you already have the specs detail b4 work started and the contractor aware of it, then he is responsible to make sure giving everything acording to the specs, you have a right to ask then to re-do, but is really strong enough or not, then have to refer back to architect, let say architect also say is actually is strong enough, then u can choose want to ask them to re-do or not.so it is already not following the specs... For car pavement over existing drain, recommended BRC but he uses J16 bars and tie them, he says this is stronger - not following specs.. |
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Mar 2 2011, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 01:45 AM) Is this the norm? The specs says 4 J16 rods but he uses 6 J12 rods but he says is strong enough 4J16??so it is already not following the specs... For car pavement over existing drain, recommended BRC but he uses J16 bars and tie them, he says this is stronger - not following specs.. u mean 4Y16 right or 4T16 |
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Mar 2 2011, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE(skng03 @ Mar 2 2011, 02:24 AM) yes..it is Y16 and T16 , don't know where the J came from..too confused..looking at engineering drawings..also what is pad footing 1200 mm ? is it 3 feet deep and 3 feet wide cement footing for column? Added on March 2, 2011, 8:01 am QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Mar 2 2011, 02:19 AM) ok, ic, if you already have the specs detail b4 work started and the contractor aware of it, then he is responsible to make sure giving everything acording to the specs, you have a right to ask then to re-do, but is really strong enough or not, then have to refer back to architect, let say architect also say is actually is strong enough, then u can choose want to ask them to re-do or not. Mpst contractors in Malaysia like that from experience? When I confronted him, it seems he has not read the specs..or choose to ignore it..This post has been edited by jojozep: Mar 2 2011, 08:01 AM |
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Mar 2 2011, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 07:45 AM) yes..it is Y16 and T16 , don't know where the J came from..too confused..looking at engineering drawings.. well, from what i know, mostly are actually like that. because if a minor house extention, they will just ignore the spec since they think they had done a lot and no problem so far, and they normally will think architect always giving a spec more then what should they use simply becoz architect not the person work on site.also what is pad footing 1200 mm ? is it 3 feet deep and 3 feet wide cement footing for column? Added on March 2, 2011, 8:01 am Mpst contractors in Malaysia like that from experience? When I confronted him, it seems he has not read the specs..or choose to ignore it.. But if you looking for a formal designer company which have own architect to build a bangalow house, they will of coz following all the spec but of coz the price must be extreamly higher compare to the contractor around. |
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Mar 2 2011, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 07:45 AM) yes..it is Y16 and T16 , don't know where the J came from..too confused..looking at engineering drawings.. What is everyone's opinion? also what is pad footing 1200 mm ? is it 3 feet deep and 3 feet wide cement footing for column? Added on March 2, 2011, 8:01 am Mpst contractors in Malaysia like that from experience? When I confronted him, it seems he has not read the specs..or choose to ignore it.. Added on March 2, 2011, 1:01 pm QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Mar 2 2011, 12:47 PM) well, from what i know, mostly are actually like that. because if a minor house extention, they will just ignore the spec since they think they had done a lot and no problem so far, and they normally will think architect always giving a spec more then what should they use simply becoz architect not the person work on site. You are right, this is what contractor say, architect not person on site.. But if you looking for a formal designer company which have own architect to build a bangalow house, they will of coz following all the spec but of coz the price must be extreamly higher compare to the contractor around. Thank you, you are very honest-one..like that how do we get the CF? I heard that I need council officer to visit the completed site before issue of CF or most people do not proceed to CF and loses their deposit as too much hassle/risk. Like that 9 out of 10 people who renovate will not comply if choose the lowest quote - sure cannot meet one.. This post has been edited by jojozep: Mar 2 2011, 01:01 PM |
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Mar 2 2011, 02:16 PM
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In ideal world, they sud always refer to the specs for requirements. what is their excuse of not following the specs? its very irresponsible contractor.
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Mar 2 2011, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(myonedeco @ Mar 2 2011, 02:16 PM) In ideal world, they sud always refer to the specs for requirements. what is their excuse of not following the specs? its very irresponsible contractor. Added on March 2, 2011, 11:42 pm Contractor says cannot make money...specs too high - Added on March 2, 2011, 11:45 pmNow the columns and beams are exposed, so we can see the size. I was wondering if the walls and columns are plastered, how would anyone know they curi? or experienced eye can see? To really check, have to break or dig to see how deep, who will do it? Anyone knows? Once approval given by council, who monitors? This post has been edited by jojozep: Mar 2 2011, 11:45 PM |
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Mar 3 2011, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 03:21 PM) Added on March 2, 2011, 11:42 pm Contractor says cannot make money...specs too high - Added on March 2, 2011, 11:45 pmNow the columns and beams are exposed, so we can see the size. I was wondering if the walls and columns are plastered, how would anyone know they curi? or experienced eye can see? To really check, have to break or dig to see how deep, who will do it? Anyone knows? Once approval given by council, who monitors? |
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Mar 5 2011, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 1 2011, 06:54 PM) there`s only few endings1) bribe the engineer to close one eye........ 2) this is most cunning of all.... bribe the technician so that he know when strict engineer is coming, and on that day, all the goods follow spec... and daay before and after is not according to spec 3) engineer found out and redo thewhole thing and bear the cost incurred...... that is the worst case scenario.. that is why they resort to option 1 Added on March 5, 2011, 10:42 am QUOTE(jojozep @ Mar 2 2011, 04:21 PM) problem arise when owner want to pay RM 20k for a new merzThis post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Mar 5 2011, 10:42 AM |
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