Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 AUCTION PROPERTY- NEED ADVICE

views
     
SUSjalsrix
post Mar 29 2012, 05:08 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
Can somebody answer me.

Who is going to pay for the lawyer fees to transfer the name ? Bank or purchaser ?

Who is going to pay to remove caveat, remove charge etc.
SUSjalsrix
post Mar 30 2012, 01:54 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ Mar 30 2012, 01:34 PM)
All other fees is paid by purchaser.

Bank only help cover what own by the previous owner, such as maintenance fee, assessment and etc.

If all other fees by right purchaser need to folk out.

However, in some cases the bank do not want to cover what own by the previous owner.

So please double check in the POS to make sure before you bid. biggrin.gif
*
How to get the POS ? Can we get POS without agent ?

SUSjalsrix
post Apr 5 2012, 05:29 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
1. property is leasehold

2. the master title is not transferred yet to first owner.

3. the condo is more than 10 years old.

4. auction unit (not from high court and not from land office)

Do we need consent from developer too ? If answer is yes, how long will developer take to give us consent ?

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 5 2012, 05:30 PM
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 6 2012, 01:40 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 6 2012, 01:27 AM)
I thought auction properties are normally free from encumbrances? Or excluded caveat?

*
I am not an expert but auction property usually have bank caveat and also charge.
And also tenants who refuse to move out.

Free from encumbrance means what ?
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 6 2012, 01:07 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ Apr 6 2012, 07:13 AM)
What kind of consent you need. I'm mean when you change tittle you how also need the developer's consent.  hmm.gif


*
I heard if title broken up into strata but old owner haven't transferred to his name yet, we still need developer consent to transfer
to new owner.

can anyone verify ?

SUSjalsrix
post Apr 6 2012, 06:03 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009



So you are saying that if a property under master title but approval given to the first owner, we won't be able to get the money on time (90 days) because developer can delay us ?

So it is very risky buying auction property ?
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 7 2012, 08:30 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 7 2012, 06:31 PM)

Before auction
1. Inspect the property at your own will.
2. Do an official search for the properties
3. Register with the licensed auctioneer/ agent/ bank.

During auction
1. 10% of the reserved price by bank draft, with photocopied IC.
2. Go for bidding

After auction
1. Pay the remaining of the 10% from the reserved price - final price by either bank draft or cash.
2. Apply for bank loan. (this can be done before the auction for safety precaution that as if you think your financial statement would be a problem)
3. Engage own lawyer.
4. Wait lawyer to prepare documents
5. Loan approved, sign LO and LA.
6. Sign SPA, and whatever doc that related.
7. And, wait lawyer to process again.


*
Great step by step process. My question

Before auction
2. What's the purpose of the title search ?
3. How many days before auction day do we need to register ? (agent say several days but auctioneer say just go on auction day)

After auction
7. Wait for approval from land office (if leasehold)
8. Wait for approval from developer (if master title)





SUSjalsrix
post Apr 9 2012, 09:52 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(michaellee @ Apr 7 2012, 11:22 PM)

As for before auction, it is optional to register with licensed auctioneer/agent/bank. Unless you are getting some kickbacks (not so proper) best is you do not register, as some auctioneers may not be ethical enough and "inform" friends to kacau the auction.


*
Can you tell us in details how the auctioneer will 'kacau' the auction ? Why do they want to do that ?
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 9 2012, 01:22 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(michaellee @ Apr 9 2012, 12:19 PM)
Like all my other postings, I will only talk about the proper ways of doing things. For the kacau part, you need to gain more experiences then you understand. I have given a BIG HINT that unless you have KICKBACKS, there is no point in registration.
*
We are NOT as rich as you to get burned with trying out experiences. Please do contribute your valuable experience for all of us.

Thank you.


biggrin.gif
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 9 2012, 04:32 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 9 2012, 04:19 PM)
Jalsrix,
What Michael said is true, some informations is best not to discuss publicly. I think he already provide sufficient information for the register part. Try figure it out with common sense and u will get it. Remember this, 'business opportunity, money is evil'. smile.gif
*
I have never been in an auction so I am trying to get as much info as possible. Nothing wrong with that.
A lot of these agents ask us to register, thats why I am curious whether this is necessary.

You did a great job with the step by step procedure but unluckily it is not detailed enough and some steps are missing.
Besides, you can expand and update the list ?

More questions.

During auction, who are the ones we should be wary of ?

During land search, what are the things that we should look out for ? (besides govt caveat)



thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 9 2012, 04:34 PM
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 13 2012, 01:31 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
More questions:

1. If we have to pay condo service fees from the day of successful bidding, can we legally go and stay (ie. take over) at the unit ?

2. Why do we have to pay the previous condo service fees, sinking fund, water fees etc because that should be paid by the previous owner since he is the one using it. The previous owner owed the management and the management should held the old owner responsible and not new owner.

( Assuming banks don't pay.)

3. New owner should be responsible from the date of successful bidding.

4. What if there is ONLY one bidder ? What will happen ?

5. Where can we get the floor plan ? The developer is NOT helpful and the bank doesn't have it.



This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 13 2012, 01:35 PM
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 14 2012, 07:38 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 14 2012, 01:27 AM)
4. Then youre the winner smile.gif. Means you will be buying based on the reserved price.

5. Some layout is with SPA, some are not. For those old house normally no floor plan d. If u need the origin floor plan, maybe can try Majlis perbandaran, or simply ask a drafter to draw your layout Lo. But why u need the old one le? Normally ppl will just ask to draw a new one for extension xD(for landed).

Correct me if I'm wrong smile.gif
*
4. What i meant was, will the auctioneer or agents play some tricks to jack up the price if I am the only bidder ?

5. I need to look at the floor plan since I cannot go into the house before deciding to go for the auction.
But most people don't want to give. shocking.gif

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 14 2012, 07:39 AM
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 14 2012, 05:52 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 14 2012, 04:27 PM)
No la bro, you see a, when you're the only person in the auction room, how can it be possible that other people will come and disturb you? You're the only bidder inside what...
If you're talking about if there are few people inside, then maybe lo.

Yes, they won't disclose it to you, cause you're yet the owner..
Is a condo or landed?
If landed then ok at least you can climb over the fence (illegal) and do your measurement and draw the layout yourself.
If condo, then you can try search in internet if that property is not that old enough. Some website got the floor plan if you're lucky smile.gif.
*
1. I mean can they pay their own people to act as fake bidders to artificially inflate the auction price ?

2. It is condo and more than 10 years, so cannot find in website.

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 14 2012, 05:52 PM
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 15 2012, 08:14 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(michaellee @ Apr 14 2012, 09:45 PM)
1. I remembered you are happy to register despite me advising not to, to prevent others kacau-ing. But now you are afraid of artificial bidders? why should they do that? If they end up taking the properties, then they had to pay for it.
*
I remembered you're very secretive and not wanting to reveal any details when I asked you.
So why should I listen to your advice unless there are valid detailed reasons given ?

I am new to auction , that is why I ask whether they have any artificial bidders (collaborate with bank or auctioneer) who don't pay even when they win. whistling.gif


SUSjalsrix
post Apr 15 2012, 09:32 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Apr 15 2012, 08:45 PM)
Very simple asnwer.
Because the Bank Lelong it on the condition of "as is, when is"
Meaning you buy it as it is when it is. Any amount owing (whether unpaid TNB bills, sinking fund, etc) all will be paid by the new owner. That's why the bank sell you cheaper at lelong prices. The Bank and the ex-owner are absolved of all responsibilities. Remember this is lelong and not new property.That is the rule if you want to play the game.
Yes you can immediately shift into the house upon signing the S&P.
*
OK. Thanks for the MUCH direct and straightforward answer !

Great ! That means we can move in (but not do renovation) the house rather than wait 3 months after 100% payment. rclxm9.gif

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 15 2012, 09:51 PM
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 15 2012, 11:19 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
More questions:




1. What are some of the reasons auctioneer withdraw auction at the last moment ? (other than owner paid up at last moment)


2. How easy is it to remove any caveat other than the bank caveat ?

ie. S&P was signed with another buyer and bankrupt owner AFTER bank put it on auction


3. Can caveat be put in if bank already put a caveat there ? ie. can there be more than one caveat ?




This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 15 2012, 11:21 PM
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 16 2012, 09:10 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(golfphunk @ Apr 16 2012, 03:42 AM)

4. wanna take more loan? dont forget to pay more income tax.. if u avoid income tax..no banks will lend u money
how will the bank know if somebody avoid income tax ? do they phone up income tax to check our files ?
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 16 2012, 09:58 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 16 2012, 09:30 AM)
regarding the caveat and title or official search, i think the search is really troublesome as to when the auction is called off, the search will just be a waste. Usually auction will be called of the very day on the auction date. Any way to get this for free?  thumbup.gif
*
What are the reasons the auction are called off ? Nobody have given me any reasons yet.

Some agents have already done the search but you must pay them commission once successful if you register with them. No such thing as free.


SUSjalsrix
post Apr 16 2012, 09:00 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
If property has a lot of caveats, who is going to pay to remove them ?

The bank or the new owner ?
SUSjalsrix
post Apr 16 2012, 09:44 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,927 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(golfphunk @ Apr 16 2012, 09:07 PM)
jalstrix.. did u read through page 1?

there's alot of information discussed there which is very helpful..

as for your question...winning bidder
*
Page 1 say if do land search, there is a caveat, cannot get bank loan.

But didn't say who's gonna pay to remove the caveat.

I just ask my friend, he said most auction units got at least one caveat.

So what's the point of doing caveat search before auction ? Waste of money.

Might as well do search after win the bid.

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 16 2012, 09:45 PM

2 Pages  1 2 >Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0232sec    0.46    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 17th December 2025 - 05:21 PM