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post Apr 17 2012, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(michaellee @ Apr 17 2012, 08:07 AM)
. But you do need to look out for government caveats and normally agents who wish to do my business will warn me enough without having me to go do a search.

If you can pay cash, then why would govt caveat bother you ? Govt caveat takes a longer time to remove but eventually it will be removed.

As long as you pay cash, you can move in already. So what's the problem here ?
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post Apr 17 2012, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Apr 17 2012, 12:17 PM)


So, the moral of the story is : The bank is always the winner.  whistling.gif
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Banks = "Legal" Ah Long. laugh.gif
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post Apr 19 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(golfphunk @ Apr 17 2012, 02:27 PM)
big brother is watching  rclxms.gif
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Taiko,

if you want to talk about politics, please discuss elsewhere.

This is about auction properties, please give more advice on what to avoid and know all the tricks
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post Apr 19 2012, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(beandk @ Apr 19 2012, 06:22 PM)
The best way to learn the tricks is to experience the auction yourself. Please understand that many of these tricks are not appropriate to be discussed in an open forum.
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Why so secretive ? whistling.gif

This is not political so it can be discussed in open forum .
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post Apr 20 2012, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(beandk @ Apr 19 2012, 08:42 PM)
Haha..I'm afraid later moderator ban me.  cry.gif
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Don't worry, moderator are not so bad. laugh.gif



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post Apr 20 2012, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 20 2012, 07:10 PM)
What happened was, before the property that we're bidding, all others property before that, the reserved price let's say RM 200,000. But the auctioneer will announced the price will start at RM 220,000 even before anyone rise their hand and bid for it. Is that common practice in KL??

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How can they simply announce the starting price at rm 220,000 when the reserved price is already stated at rm 200,000 ?

Isn't that unethical ? That's why we need to know all the tricks they used before deciding whether to go for auction.

Finally, I heard that bank themselves can bid for the property.....

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post Apr 20 2012, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 20 2012, 08:37 PM)


And, same goes to the property i'm bidding for it. One of my friend's friend managed to register and went into the auction room. Surprisingly, she said the auction start 20k higher than the reserved price, and the bid increment is 20k per bid...
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This is called cheating. Can we hire a lawyer to sue them ?

If you are the only bidder, then you must take that price or else your deposit is forfeited.

Very sneaky ....

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post Apr 21 2012, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 21 2012, 12:58 AM)
I've to double check the clause that if more than 2 bidders, the reserved price will be increase. i remember i didn't read about something like that, or maybe i mis-read or something, let me double confirm...

I double check the POS/COS that I obtained, there is NO such clause that if more than 2 bidders they can increase the reserved price. But mine is not from high court.


Added on April 21, 2012, 6:47 am
QUOTE(beandk @ Apr 21 2012, 05:08 AM)

Anyway, there is plus point to raising the reserve price and increment amount....helping genuine buyers. False buyers could be those who are making a living out of "settlement" or the owner's people trying to jack up the price.
The owner's people try to jack up the price so that the owner can get more money out of the balance...
But what if the owner's people are the ones who win the bid ?

The owner cannot pay the bank, why would his people try to buy the property from the bank ?



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post Apr 21 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 21 2012, 03:22 PM)
what if both the bidder do not suscpect that the reserve price at the high court auction will be increased, so both do not bid. Will their deposit get forfeited? because in cos, it stated that if any person deposit but do not bid, their deposit will be forfeited. Is this for single bidder only or apply to all?

Good question, i would like to know too.

If one bidder, then it must be sold at reserved price.

If two bidders, then if both don't bid ?
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post Apr 21 2012, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(BBB Project @ Apr 21 2012, 05:55 PM)
The judge increase the reserve price is because there are more than 1 bidder. Normally the judge will only do that if more than 5 bidders. If let say the judge adjust the reserve price and no bidder wanted to bid, the deposit will not be forfeited, but if a property got more than 5 bidders and judge increase few k, definitely sure got ppl bid one, just those who has lower budget got no chance to raise their hand only.
And, if single bidder for sure the judge won't adjust the price, it will be sold to the bidder at the reserve.
And sure there's reason why the judge adjust/increase the reserve price. You will know it if you have more experience in auction property. wink.gif
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Thanks for the secret info.

So you are saying that if there are only TWO bidders, they would not increase the reserve price ?
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post Apr 22 2012, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(BBB Project @ Apr 21 2012, 05:55 PM)
The judge increase the reserve price is because there are more than 1 bidder. Normally the judge will only do that if more than 5 bidders. If let say the judge adjust the reserve price and no bidder wanted to bid, the deposit will not be forfeited, but if a property got more than 5 bidders and judge increase few k, definitely sure got ppl bid one, just those who has lower budget got no chance to raise their hand only.
And, if single bidder for sure the judge won't adjust the price, it will be sold to the bidder at the reserve.
And sure there's reason why the judge adjust/increase the reserve price. You will know it if you have more experience in auction property. wink.gif
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Are all these rules (increase reserve price arbitrarily) for high court cases only ?

Or does it apply to non high court (LACA) cases too ?

Can anybody confirm ?
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post Apr 22 2012, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 22 2012, 11:32 AM)
for laca, usually it will be at rounding up to the thousand if the reserve price is not rounded to the thousand. and increase will be per 1k
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What i mean is will they increase the starting bidding price higher than reserve price for laca auctions ?

Then it is better to attend laca auction and avoid high court auction if it is easier for bidders ?
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post Apr 22 2012, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 22 2012, 03:10 PM)
cannot bro cause the bailiff said he need the original IC and bank draft in order to register....
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Bad luck. You should know the traffic situation in KL.

Maybe next time , try to be there at least 3 hours earlier.

Go and chit-chat around that area while waiting.

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post Apr 23 2012, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(clanzkiller @ Apr 22 2012, 11:19 PM)

The final price is only 10k higher than my budget... sad.gif
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I am also going for my virgin auction soon. I will tell everyone how it goes here. Thanks to clanzkiller for your valuable experience.
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post Apr 23 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(beandk @ Apr 23 2012, 02:27 PM)
Post auction for me is always a bunch of headache. Chasing for draw down to meet deadline, chasing owner to move, chasing the auction bankers to pay up their court fees....
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after winning the auction and the old owner still staying there using electricity and water. shocking.gif

can we ask the condo management to block the old owner from further incurring costs that the new owner have to pay ?

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post Apr 26 2012, 01:37 PM

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Went for my maiden auction yesterday.

I phoned up at 12 noon and he said the auction of the unit is still on and ask me to come at 2 pm to register.

When I reach the place at 2 pm, they say the auction unit is WITHDRAWN ! shocking.gif

What trick are they up to ? They should at least give 12 hour notice so we dont' waste our time buying bank draft and wasting petrol money and taking leave !

When I went that time to register, there were no buyers for other auction units but a lot of agents there waiting and sitting.

What are the agents doing there ? hmm.gif


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post Apr 27 2012, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 27 2012, 07:50 AM)
can i just cabut all the banner there? majlis also will be doing the same if they got maintenance around that area

Last time, I also receive a call from somebody trying to buy my house at the price quoted by the auction price on the ad in my area.

I told him off, "if you can buy at that price, go and buy and don't bother me !". doh.gif

If you are free, go and remove all the banners because the majlis are mostly lazy people. They will thank you for removing for them. laugh.gif

Actually, it is illegal for them to post all these banners/ads everywhere. It was reported in the Star newspaper, they can be fined.

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post Apr 28 2012, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 28 2012, 08:19 AM)
frankly i never did any title search but from my understanding the search cost RM30++. Maybe Any experience bidder can confirm this. so the agent sshould charge higher due to transportation, runner commission and so on. you also can do the title search but its kind of troublesome. if the auction got canceled, your search will just be a waste.
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By right, the agent shouldn't charge so much if there are many enquiries, they only search one time and then photocopied the rest.
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post May 19 2012, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Monstar @ May 19 2012, 01:49 AM)
Maybe last minute the owner paid up. There have been cases whereby the auctioneer is informed at the very LAST minute. Literally the instruction to call off the auction of a property could be delivered by the legal council in attendance. Of course this applies to LACA auctions and not Court auctions. Don't think court auctions could be called off that easily.

Agents get commission from banks if their client is the successful bidder. They are there to help their client as some of them are unfamiliar with the paperwork and procedures.
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The problem is that the property was on auction for 6 times and nobody bidded. Why now ?

 

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