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 Buying Gold As Investment V2, 2011 Gold Rush From Oil Hype

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Jutawan
post May 19 2011, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(97th Mobile @ May 18 2011, 10:47 PM)
There is banks overseas with normal accounts that allows online trading gold spot at RM1-RM2 spread and silver spot at RM.041-RM0.50 spread per gram.

for even better spread perhaps forex?
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Forex played by individual is considered illegal by Bank Negara right?
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post May 19 2011, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ May 19 2011, 09:03 AM)
UOB SG got gold and silver account. Spread is about SGD 10 cent /gram
HOng Kong banks also got paper gold. But all of them U must physically present to do the buy and sell.

below is the full details lah
http://silvermalaysia.blogspot.com/2011/04...pm-trading.html

If you got other bank contact which allow  online trading, I ;'m interested to know lah.
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so i guess only for Singaporean to apply for it? hmm.gif

I am living in malaysia. cry.gif
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post May 19 2011, 04:51 PM

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Anyone knows a reliable seller around Kuala Lumpur where I can acquire a 2011 Gold Panda...

Want to add a gold panda to my coin collection tongue.gif if they're not too expensive sweat.gif

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post May 20 2011, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(double7 @ May 19 2011, 10:27 AM)
Anyone bought gold bullions from UOB before? Is it difficult to get gold stock/supply? Does the bank offer free safe deposit box?
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I think still got stock in UOB KL. Safe deposit box not available any more.


Added on May 20, 2011, 8:48 am
QUOTE(aaronpang @ May 19 2011, 04:51 PM)
Anyone knows a reliable seller around Kuala Lumpur where I can acquire a 2011 Gold Panda...

Want to add a gold panda to my coin collection  tongue.gif if they're not too expensive  sweat.gif

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if U 1 I can ask my supplier to piggy back 1 oz 2011 Gold Panda (sealed) when I reorder my next silver shipment.
Price per oz is about RM300 above UOB selling price.
However, I need to take a RM500/- deposit for this because of my bad experience with other customer.
In case you don't want after i ordered, I will just exchange with someone with UOB gold and sell off the UOB gold.


Added on May 20, 2011, 8:50 am
QUOTE(GoldChan @ May 20 2011, 08:35 AM)
I think still got stock in UOB KL. Safe deposit box not available any more.


Added on May 20, 2011, 8:48 am

if U 1 I can ask my supplier to piggy back 1 oz 2011 Gold Panda (sealed) when I reorder my next silver shipment.
Price per oz is about RM300 above UOB selling price.
However, I need to take a RM500/- deposit for this because of my bad experience with other customer.
In case you don't want after i ordered, I will just exchange with someone with UOB gold and sell off the UOB gold.
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or if U have someone going to Hong Kong, Macau or Zhuihai, U can ask them to buy for U at Bank of China.
price is almost the same as UOB price.
However, I unable to get anyone to do it for me.


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post May 20 2011, 09:41 AM

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Question about spread. Assuming UOB spread = 5%

Does it mean that:
Whatever price it goes up to in the future, UOB will buy it back at whatever price - 5%?

And this will be clearly reflected in the purchase agreement / term & conditions ?

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post May 20 2011, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(ycyip @ May 20 2011, 09:41 AM)
Question about spread. Assuming UOB spread = 5%

Does it mean that:
Whatever price it goes up to in the future, UOB will buy it back at whatever price - 5%?

And this will be clearly reflected in the purchase agreement / term & conditions ?
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Spread means different in buy and sell.

Let say
xyz bank sell you at 150, and buy back from you 147, <--- spread 2%.


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post May 20 2011, 11:56 AM

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I know spread means difference in sell and buy.

My question is, what happens when want to sell back to them later.
This spread will apply too?
Will it be reflect in black and white when we purchase the gold coin?


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post May 20 2011, 12:15 PM

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Investing in Genneva or UOB Gold? Which one will you invest?
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QUOTE(ycyip @ May 20 2011, 11:56 AM)
I know spread means difference in sell and buy.

My question is, what happens when want to sell back to them later.
This spread will apply too?
Will it be reflect in black and white when we purchase the gold coin?
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Let say at the time you buy bank sell $150 buy $142.5 (5% spread), 3 years later the bank sell $180 and buy $171 (also 5%). So if you sell to bank then your profit is $171-$150 = $21. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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post May 20 2011, 02:09 PM

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A good read, to heed or not is your choice, as a new gold investor this is really important.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/260900-the...the-gold-bubble
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post May 20 2011, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(double7 @ May 20 2011, 12:15 PM)
Let say at the time you buy bank sell $150 buy $142.5 (5% spread), 3 years later the bank sell $180 and buy $171 (also 5%). So if you sell to bank then your profit is $171-$150 = $21. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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How to correct you if I'm not sure biggrin.gif
What you said is what I'm trying to clarify actually

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QUOTE(double7 @ May 20 2011, 12:15 PM)
Let say at the time you buy bank sell $150 buy $142.5 (5% spread), 3 years later the bank sell $180 and buy $171 (also 5%). So if you sell to bank then your profit is $171-$150 = $21. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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yes..ur correct
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post May 20 2011, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(`arthas @ May 19 2011, 08:22 AM)
hmm.gif what bank does offer that kind of spread? mind to intro?  blush.gif
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banks in HK and CHN

also i type too fast on last post the spread for silver is 0.41- (not .041)

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post May 20 2011, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(ycyip @ May 20 2011, 11:56 AM)
I know spread means difference in sell and buy.

My question is, what happens when want to sell back to them later.
This spread will apply too?
Will it be reflect in black and white when we purchase the gold coin?
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No, the spread is not a guaranteed figure, it depends on buyers of gold.

But for banks as reputable seller, the spread generally is fixed throughout.
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post May 20 2011, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ May 19 2011, 09:03 AM)
UOB SG got gold and silver account. Spread is about SGD 10 cent /gram
HOng Kong banks also got paper gold. But all of them U must physically present to do the buy and sell.

below is the full details lah
http://silvermalaysia.blogspot.com/2011/04...pm-trading.html

If you got other bank contact which allow  online trading, I ;'m interested to know lah.
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try HSBC in HK for paper gold, ETF's and Hang Seng Index.

U only need to stay in HK to be able to invest in US stock mkt or other non HK counters or margin trading.

Unfortunately the trading hours for spot gold in HSBC is 7 am - 12 am, five days week.

for a trading junkie, you need 24 hrs access to catch the up and down flow especially silver where good money can be made from all the up and down.

for shorting gold and silver best go for forex trading, available in SG. I think forex accounts is still the best vehicle cause you can Long and short plus stop loss but must be carefull of margin call.

For forex account recommendation pls go to the forex subforum, there many expert there. Mabye after you get your answer, you can advise me too thumbup.gif

Hope that helps.

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post May 20 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2011, 02:31 PM)
No, the spread is not a guaranteed figure, it depends on buyers of gold.

But for banks as reputable seller, the spread generally is fixed throughout.
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If i am not mistaken, maybank increase their spread a few months ago. So generally the spread is at the discretion of the bank..
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QUOTE(Jutawan @ May 19 2011, 10:33 AM)
Forex played by individual is considered illegal by Bank Negara right?
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Well, it is subjective.

Let say i made money in business or working in SG or A gift from relative in SG who bank into my SG account, and i do not intend to bring back the money to malaysia and use it to play forex in singapore.

would that be illegal?

I think you would find a better answer in the forex subforum...


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post May 21 2011, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ May 20 2011, 08:35 AM)

if U 1 I can ask my supplier to piggy back 1 oz 2011 Gold Panda (sealed) when I reorder my next silver shipment.
Price per oz is about RM300 above UOB selling price.
However, I need to take a RM500/- deposit for this because of my bad experience with other customer.
In case you don't want after i ordered, I will just exchange with someone with UOB gold and sell off the UOB gold.

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Thanks appreciate your help GoldChan, lets continue over PM...
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post May 21 2011, 06:19 AM

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QUOTE(ycyip @ May 20 2011, 11:56 AM)
I know spread means difference in sell and buy.

My question is, what happens when want to sell back to them later.
This spread will apply too?
Will it be reflect in black and white when we purchase the gold coin?
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Bank: I'm the seller, I decide what spread I want to give. If U don;t want U can always don;t buy or sell (if U have brought it earlier). or sell direct to someone else. For few % of profit margin (spread) I have to give U black and white meh!
2. If more people buying and market changes rapidly I will increase my spread lah to cover my potential lost and increase my profit.
3. If no sales or got competition, then I lower my spread lah.
4. at the same time all these must be done properly so that customer will still stay with me.

It happens to Public Gold, Maybank & many other vendor as well. U have to live with it.


Added on May 21, 2011, 6:36 am
QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2011, 02:31 PM)
No, the spread is not a guaranteed figure, it depends on buyers of gold.

But for banks as reputable seller, the spread generally is fixed throughout.
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Don;t be chicken lah, the lowyat forum market is pretty efficient for selling IT gadgets stuff, why not it can be for PM as well.
step 1: get your ebay a/c build up some reputation there.
later whatever U 1 2 sell U can do it less hassle as got repo already mah.

step 2: email , forum, list at ebay, mudah etc,
I'm sure over time got buyer who will buy directly from U one. This happen a lot in PG gold among dealers and customer at a much lower commission rate.

think about it.
When U go to University, did U ask your professor what if U didn't get a job.
U go 4 the university 4 a particular course because U confident U can get a job out of it mah. Not because government guarantee U a job mah.
then U R independent lor.
The same case may apply to PM to some extend.

U should think if things get from bad to worst like argentina, some form of ground rules for one to exchange
maybe 1 silver coin 1 oz for 100 Kg of rices.
I.e.
buying house in Vietnam is paid in gold bar. quite common.

ok.



This post has been edited by GoldChan: May 21 2011, 06:36 AM
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post May 22 2011, 03:22 AM

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QUOTE(aaronpang @ May 19 2011, 04:51 PM)
Anyone knows a reliable seller around Kuala Lumpur where I can acquire a 2011 Gold Panda...

Want to add a gold panda to my coin collection  tongue.gif if they're not too expensive  sweat.gif

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Can try this one >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alliance-Gold/108373422583037
My friend's company, tongue.gif

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