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 Buying Gold As Investment V2, 2011 Gold Rush From Oil Hype

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post May 14 2011, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ May 13 2011, 12:53 PM)
I only buy 1 oz stuff unless U super rich then buy 10oz or kilobar.
For small change, you can get 1/10 oz , however the premium is 10% more.
if that the case better get silver lor.

Large bar disposal to general public may be difficult unless U willing to sell back lower to banks or goldsmith
According to pricing, there is not much differences between 1 oz bar and 1 kilo bar.
So stick with 1 oz bar/coin.
it's is your RM10,000 notes in the future.

For RM10 notes, RM100 notes that one you have to buy silver lah.
Cheapest branded gold bulllion is PAMP and credit sussie 1 oz bar but
actual price will depend on MKS distributor how much they 1 2 sell to you.
U 1 2 bury in 1 place or 10 different place.
I choose 10 different place as i 1 2 hedge my bet.
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Probably just 3 different places. Tired la digging too many places tongue.gif Must be around 3 feet which is about a waist deep.
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post May 15 2011, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ May 14 2011, 10:33 AM)
Bank Rakyat min lease period is 1/2 month. thus U need to pay 0.5 x 14% = 0.7% interest lah.
After you overlap they will add another 6 month, don't be silly wait for 6 month and pay bank rakyat upah simpan. Overlap when near 6 month. Do it for I don't know, 5 years maybe....
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post May 16 2011, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ May 15 2011, 06:43 PM)
After you overlap they will add another 6 month, don't be silly wait for 6 month and pay bank rakyat upah simpan. Overlap when near 6 month. Do it for I don't know, 5 years maybe....
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Just contact the Bank Rakyat personnel, and she said Bank Rakyat only accept a few gold manufacturers, such as Kijang emas, Dinar Kelantan and some other brands(can`t remember).
Since Bank Rakyat also don`t accept my Turkiyee gold, perhaps i will decrease my holdings in Turkiyee gold and go for Kijang emas or Dinar Kelantan.


Added on May 16, 2011, 1:16 pm
QUOTE(Sifha238 @ May 13 2011, 04:59 PM)
But but, where you want to price gold seller that allowed you to take 100 gram gold for 5k down payment only. I know a dealer that will follow you to Bank Rakyat with the gold  brows.gif

He also cannot cheat you with fake gold because it's the bank officer that determine whether it's really a 999/24k gold  rclxms.gif
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Whose the man who could supply 100gram gold and accept RM5K d/payment ?
Does he supply Kijang Emas or Dinar Kelantan ?

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post May 16 2011, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(FrancescoTop8 @ May 16 2011, 02:10 PM)
Just contact the Bank Rakyat personnel, and she said Bank Rakyat only accept a few gold manufacturers, such as  Kijang emas, Dinar Kelantan and some other brands(can`t remember). 
Since Bank Rakyat also don`t accept my Turkiyee gold, perhaps i will decrease my holdings in Turkiyee gold and go for Kijang emas or Dinar Kelantan.


Added on May 16, 2011, 1:16 pm
Whose the man who could supply 100gram gold and accept RM5K d/payment ?
Does he supply Kijang Emas or Dinar Kelantan ?
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Bank Rakyat only accept jewellery. This man provide 999/24k jewellery. If you really interested can PM me, I can make an appointment with you and him at Bank Rakyat of your choice. After Bank Rakyat officer approve this is real 999/24k jewellery, you can proceed with payment to him
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post May 16 2011, 03:56 PM

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Dinar Kelantan have many stocks? Which area could we get it around Selangor/Kuala Lumpur?
Is dinar Kelantan cheaper than Public Gold or GCP 1 Dinar Gold?
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post May 16 2011, 04:24 PM

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i am planning to invest in gold during this coming July. Can i know Public bank or maybank better?

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post May 17 2011, 04:12 AM

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QUOTE(kenny5978 @ May 16 2011, 04:24 PM)
i am planning to invest in gold during this coming July. Can i know Public bank or maybank better?
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me too, wanted to start somewhere last year , but again as a teenager, haiz, i've spend it on some other stuff haha

time to put serious attention to my future.. smile.gif
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post May 17 2011, 04:21 AM

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lol gold so high now still wanna go in ?
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post May 17 2011, 04:23 AM

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QUOTE(Canopies @ May 17 2011, 04:21 AM)
lol gold so high now still wanna go in ?
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blush.gif learner here smile.gif

i feel gold is at a high price now, but if we are talking about long term hmmm blush.gif

or perhaps might advice a right price?
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post May 17 2011, 04:27 AM

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QUOTE(Sh@rty 5 @ May 17 2011, 04:23 AM)
blush.gif learner here smile.gif

i feel gold is at a high price now, but if we are talking about long term hmmm blush.gif

or perhaps might advice a right price?
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well tell u the truth, i dump all my loan money to gold when it was 700USD , now its reaching 1500 USD, guess how much i earn in 3 years.

but,

i believe if u can buy , go buy silver. gold is not that bull anymore, silver is even powerful ...with petrol rising silver be the first to up more than gold.

buy public silver...or overseas silver fund but its hard.
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post May 17 2011, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE(Canopies @ May 17 2011, 04:27 AM)
well tell u the truth, i dump all my loan money to gold when it was 700USD , now its reaching 1500 USD, guess how much i earn in 3 years.

but,

i believe if u can buy , go buy silver. gold is not that bull anymore, silver is even powerful ...with petrol rising silver be the first to up more than gold.

buy public silver...or overseas silver fund but its hard.
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public silver?

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post May 17 2011, 08:24 AM

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For the statistical fellows here, historical data / prices can be found here
http://www.gold.org/investment/statistics/prices/

My personal findings with Gold in M'sia - please do correct me if i'm mistaken. These info were gathered last year
Gold A/C (not physical)
PBank - the LOWEST (ignoring UOB) spread 4.03%-ish
Min: 20gm start, then 5gm, + x *1gm
Charges: Gold quantity balance of less than 10 grams as at 31 December each year, charged RM10
Requirements: Customer is required to maintain either a savings account or current account prior to opening a GIA to facilitate the debiting of service fee, if any.
Online: Can transact AFTER initial opening

UOB Normal -1.45% spread
Min: 20gm start, then 5gm, + x *1gm
Charges: An administrative fee of RM2.00 will be charged per month if the balance of the account falls below 10gm at month end.
Requirements: Prior to opening a Gold Investment Account, the investor is required to maintain either a savings account or current account in RM to facilitate the transaction, administrative fees or and other charges.
Online: Didn't ask coz EACH BRANCH has different allocation of "gold" according to UOB. Gotta go to another branch if the one U are at "ran out". Kinda not smart IMHO

UOB Premier - 0.72% spread
Min: 1kg
Charges: An administrative fee of RM2.00 will be charged per month if the balance of the account falls below 10gm at month end.
Requirements: Prior to opening a Gold Investment Account, the investor is required to maintain either a savings account or current account in RM to facilitate the transaction, administrative fees or and other charges.
Online: Didn't ask coz EACH BRANCH has different allocation of "gold" according to UOB. Gotta go to another branch if the one U are at "ran out". Kinda not smart IMHO

MBB - 4.46% spread
Min: 5gm, then 5gm + x *1gm
Charges: No ANNUAL FEES, only charge of conversion from Book A/C to PHYSICAL GOLD IF NEEDED
Requirements: Prior to opening a Gold Investment Account, the investor is required to maintain either a savings account or current account in RM to facilitate the transaction, administrative fees or and other charges.
Online: No

MBB PHYSICAL GOLD (KIJANG)
31.105 gm / 1 troy ounce, Spread 4.10%
15.550 gm / 0.5 troy ounce, Spread 6.02%
7.780 gm / 0.25 troy ounce, Spread 8.02%


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post May 17 2011, 05:13 PM

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Yesterday just bought some Bunga Raya gold bar from Poh Kong, today feel a bit regretted after seeing this thread. The price I paid was RM177 per gram which was "their market rate" yesterday but after seeing the rates from the Public Gold and some paper golds account offered by Banks are only RM140-150 per gram. Furthermore, their spread is 11% if trading solely with them... Why is their price is higher than the rest but still able to sell many of them??
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QUOTE(echoesian @ May 17 2011, 05:13 PM)
Yesterday just bought some Bunga Raya gold bar from Poh Kong, today feel a bit regretted after seeing this thread. The price I paid was RM177 per gram which was "their market rate" yesterday but after seeing the rates from the Public Gold and some paper golds account offered by Banks are only RM140-150 per gram. Furthermore, their spread is 11% if trading solely with them... Why is their price is higher than the rest but still able to sell many of them??
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Why?

Because of you... laugh.gif
You already contributed one of their sale. biggrin.gif

Joking only, no offence. smile.gif

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post May 17 2011, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ May 17 2011, 06:13 PM)
Yesterday just bought some Bunga Raya gold bar from Poh Kong, today feel a bit regretted after seeing this thread. The price I paid was RM177 per gram which was "their market rate" yesterday but after seeing the rates from the Public Gold and some paper golds account offered by Banks are only RM140-150 per gram. Furthermore, their spread is 11% if trading solely with them... Why is their price is higher than the rest but still able to sell many of them??
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Lol....why not make any research first sweat.gif current market price is 171.37, you can get lower than that smile.gif
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post May 17 2011, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ May 17 2011, 07:00 PM)
Lol....why not make any research first  sweat.gif  current market price is 171.37, you can get lower than that  smile.gif
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Which shop can get 171.37? I mean why the rate comparing to those paper gold is significantly higher? Is it because they included the workmanship??
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post May 17 2011, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ May 17 2011, 08:38 PM)
Which shop can get 171.37? I mean why the rate comparing to those paper gold is significantly higher? Is it because they included the workmanship??
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171.37 is rate at Monday 16/05/2011. The price is depends on the gold type and the seller. If you buy more than 100gram you can get lower price. But pay 177 is too high in my opinion. Nowdays got lots of gold seller, no need to go to famous gold shop because they will charge you kaw2 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(echoesian @ May 17 2011, 07:38 PM)
Which shop can get 171.37? I mean why the rate comparing to those paper gold is significantly higher? Is it because they included the workmanship??
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Because it is a retail price recommended.

Some sort like that, if you want to view it like that, aka profit + workmanship + cost incurred.

You only can resell the gold at its real actual worth, aka roughly near the paper gold price.
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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ May 17 2011, 09:17 PM)
171.37 is rate at Monday 16/05/2011. The price is depends on the gold type and the seller. If you buy more than 100gram you can get lower price. But pay 177 is too high in my opinion. Nowdays got lots of gold seller, no need to go to famous gold shop because they will charge you kaw2 biggrin.gif
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Which are the cheaper and reputable jewelery shop that can trust?


Added on May 17, 2011, 9:31 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ May 17 2011, 09:19 PM)
Because it is a retail price recommended.

Some sort like that, if you want to view it like that, aka profit + workmanship + cost incurred.

You only can resell the gold at its real actual worth, aka roughly near the paper gold price.
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However I can sell those gold bar back to Poh Kong with their market rate - 11% which I think it's reasonable because if I sell non-Poh Kong golds to them, I'll only can get back market rate - 25%.

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QUOTE(echoesian @ May 17 2011, 09:29 PM)
However I can sell those gold bar back to Poh Kong with their market rate - 11% which I think it's reasonable because if I sell non-Poh Kong golds to them, I'll only can get back market rate - 25%.
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-11% is still an hefty premium paid or spread paid, if solely from the view of investment perspective.

Gold price needs to surge 11%, just for you to breakeven.

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