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 Buying Gold As Investment V2, 2011 Gold Rush From Oil Hype

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prophetjul
post Apr 26 2011, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(ahmadtarmizi88 @ Apr 26 2011, 08:21 AM)
haha, u talk about genneva rite?
yes they use PAMP suisse gold bar,
the purity that we can trust,
but the way they run the scheme quite tricky. haha
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They use PAMP? Not mentioned in their site....this is Sing website


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Our Approach
We only deal with the finest 24k genuine physical gold that are from accredited gold bar manufacturers. This is so as to provide our customers with the ultimate peace of mind, knowing that they are buying a physical asset class that is precious and yet highly liquid.

Our Gold Product Range 
We offer a comprehensive range of physical gold bullion so as to cater to the varying need of our customers.

Our gold bullion and gold coins range:
5 grams
10 grams
20 grams
50 grams
100 grams
500 grams
1 kilogram


http://www.genneva.com.sg/products.html

This is Msian site

http://www.samudra-gv.com/products.html

NOW this is the strange thing.....these sites NEVER mentioned the 1.5% interest that that

http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about/ mentioned!

http://www.genneva-world.com/web/index.php...id=51&Itemid=66


ARE THESE SITES OF GENNEVA BRAND THE SAME COMPANY???? shakehead.gif

What gives? ISSIT NOT SMELLYY?


Added on April 26, 2011, 8:37 am
QUOTE(ahmadtarmizi88 @ Apr 26 2011, 08:21 AM)


Added on April 26, 2011, 8:29 amyeah!
this is about genneva history hehehe
click here
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=175335525823021

happy reading
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HAHA! i dont have facebook! wink.gif

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Apr 26 2011, 08:37 AM
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post Apr 26 2011, 08:38 AM

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i really dont dig out about genneva but base on the history, their chairman was caught due to stealing people money, and now they running genneva product.

once scammer forever scammer. hehe
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post Apr 26 2011, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(ahmadtarmizi88 @ Apr 26 2011, 08:38 AM)
i really dont dig out about genneva but base on the history, their chairman was caught due to stealing people money, and now they running genneva product.

once scammer forever scammer. hehe
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Seems the name is everywhere....in singapore...are they related?

They have so many website.....looks very smelly.

See this CAVEAT EMPTOR
[QUOTE]Q ) Is the Gold genuine?
A) Yes our gold is genuine 999 gold that can be verified via any legal sources.
Q) How the company does make profit?
A) We have a team that works with the funds & the gold to generate further profits to help us share the profits with you.
Q) Can I sell back the gold before 30 days?
A) Yes, the company will buy back the gold at the market value price minus 25%.
Q) What if I do not return the gold on time ?
A) Genneva Malaysia will consider that the Client has no intention to sell back the gold bullion. Should the Client decide to sell the gold bullion to Genneva after the 7 days; Genneva can choose to acquire the gold bullion based on market value price minus 25%.[/QUOTE]



http://www.genneva-world.com/web/index.php...id=53&Itemid=41
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post Apr 26 2011, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(ksc_3688 @ Apr 25 2011, 11:15 PM)
If I'm to buy gold bar, which is best to buy?
From public gold, nubex or 1stopgold?

How about buying from gold shops ?
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This website is helpful on options of buying physical gold in malaysia. Happy reading
http://politicalmetals.com/coins/

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post Apr 26 2011, 10:22 AM

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I was thinking of buying from Genneva as well. but scared it might turn out to be a scam.

worst case scenario, if it's a scam, all i have to loose is the monthly dividend payment right? cause the gold will still be in my hand and i can still sell it elsewhere.
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post Apr 26 2011, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 26 2011, 07:45 AM)
What exactly is Gennevas biz plan?

Next have you assayed their gold bars yourself?
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I call it Genneva Gold Saving Plan which is what it really is.
View http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about/

Indeed, I've assayed Genneva's gold for its purity.
Happy to report back it is indeed 999 PURE GOLD.
View the Certificate of Confirmation by independent assayer at
http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/2011/04/1...ood-to-be-true/

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post Apr 26 2011, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(PatEagle @ Apr 26 2011, 10:33 AM)
I call it Genneva Gold Saving Plan which is what it really is.
View http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about/

Indeed, I've assayed Genneva's gold for its purity.
Happy to report back it is indeed 999 PURE GOLD.
View the Certificate of Confirmation by independent assayer at
http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/2011/04/1...ood-to-be-true/

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Not referring to the buyers.....i am refering to Gennevas biz plan.....

plus Are all the Genneva gold sites the same company?

Next, none of the other sites mention the monthly interest except YOURS...... hmm.gif

How is it paying interest is Syariah compliant?
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post Apr 26 2011, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 26 2011, 08:36 AM)
This is Msian site
http://www.samudra-gv.com/products.html

NOW this is the strange thing.....these sites NEVER mentioned the 1.5% interest that that
http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about/  mentioned!

http://www.genneva-world.com/web/index.php...id=51&Itemid=66
ARE THESE SITES OF GENNEVA BRAND THE SAME COMPANY????    shakehead.gif

What gives?  ISSIT NOT SMELLYY?
Yes, I can understand your confusion. Let me try to explain...

Samudra-GV Sdn Bhd is no longer selling gold. The website is an archive.
All who bought gold from Samudra-GV are now moving to Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd.

Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd in a nutshell as seen at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about-genneva-malaysia/ :

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1.  The FIRST of its kind in the world
    — Leading Gold Bullion Dealer with a new and unique business model based on syariah concept.

2.  Incorporated in March 2004 and has fulfilled all Bank Negara’s requirements as a scheduled Institution under Section 21(1) of the Banking and Financial Institution Act, 1989 (BAFIA); and classified under First Schedule of Anti-Money Laundering and Anti-Terrorism Financing Act, 2001(AMLA) as a “Reporting Institution”.

3.  Syariah compliant product; policy governed by the Syariah Committee.


FYI, My Gold Goose is a group of consultants who are investors and consultants of Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd as seen at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/contact-me/

Hope this clarify matters. More later. Going to meet potential clients now. biggrin.gif

Cheers!




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post Apr 26 2011, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(PatEagle @ Apr 26 2011, 10:59 AM)
Yes, I can understand your confusion. Let me try to explain...

Samudra-GV Sdn Bhd is no longer selling gold. The website is an archive.
All who bought gold from Samudra-GV are now moving to Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd.

Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd in a nutshell as seen at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about-genneva-malaysia/ :
FYI, My Gold Goose is a [B]group of consultants who are investors and consultants[/b] of Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd as seen at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/contact-me/

Hope this clarify matters. More later. Going to meet potential clients now.  biggrin.gif

Cheers!
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You mean salesmen ler...... nod.gif biggrin.gif

You goose site is not linked at http://www.genneva-world.com/web/
How do you claim to be 'consultants'? biggrin.gif

Hows paying interest make it Syariah compliant? NOBODY answer this yet..... rclxub.gif
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post Apr 26 2011, 08:32 PM

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hi to all sifus,
please excuse for being blur like *****.... sweat.gif blush.gif

I am quite interested in gold investment. smile.gif since I have only Maybank acct, I go for GSPA. but how to apply for it? I checked with maybank2u.com but cannot find one there. sad.gif
any idea how to open the acct? hmm.gif
any other steps i have to expect from maybank?
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dear sifu,
just wan to ask if i buy the gold bar fizikal from 1 of the shop in msia.
then can i sell it back to any others shop?
or only i can sell back to the shop i bought ?

Beside how can i noe the gold is real or fake. cause i scare of get scam.
i am a begineer .
Thanks.
PatEagle
post Apr 27 2011, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(ahmadtarmizi88 @ Apr 26 2011, 07:51 AM)
bro, just becarefull, all of high commitee from genneva have their own story, try google each name. please. smile.gif
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True, for the last two years, since July 2009, the directors had a very colourful and adventurous past -- being investigated by BNM and being charged for "money laundering" and "illegal deposit-taking". However, the prosecution simply can't proof it till today as I write. whistling.gif

Here's an excerpt from Genneva Directors Charged and follow all the related news articles within at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/2011/04/1...ectors-charged/
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Yes, yes <addressing friends who are concerned about this> this is the Genneva Sdn Bhd whose case is still on-going.  Read some of the articles below.

The irony is while this case is on-going, Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd is operating and growing from strength-to-strength. We know that Genneva Malaysia is a reporting institution to Bank Negara Malaysia. Even BNM acknowledges that.

In addition, having browsed through numerous websites, blogs, discussion forums and having read hundreds of comments on the net on Genneva Gold, I’ve yet to find a police report or claim by anyone being “scammed” or “cheated” by Genneva Malaysia.

Perhaps I’m not thorough enough. If you come across any solid evidence – not rumours, assumptions or predictions by naysayers, skeptics, Self-Appointed Prophets of Doom and Narrow-minded People Stuck in Old Economy Mindsets (i.e. old conservative ways of making money) – I invite you to post here.

Also view current BNM Financial Fraud Alerts -- Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd is not listed there.

Hope this helps to clarify matters. Cheers!
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QUOTE(ahmadtarmizi88 @ Apr 26 2011, 08:21 AM)
haha, u talk about genneva rite?
yes they use PAMP suisse gold bar,
the purity that we can trust,
but the way they run the scheme quite tricky. haha

Added on April 26, 2011, 8:29 amyeah!
this is about genneva history hehehe
click here
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=175335525823021
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Hi, your "genneva history" does not hold water. Being investigated doesn't mean they are guilty.
Worse, the author calls Genneva Malaysia a "scammer" without any backing by facts or evidence. doh.gif
Here, read my comments at http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=41880179

On the purity of Genneva Gold, read my earlier post at http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=41856365

BTW, go visit Genneva's office and talk to the numerous people any day.
It's packed everyday. I only see happy and contented clients there. smile.gif

Cheers!
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QUOTE(ksc_3688 @ Apr 26 2011, 10:22 AM)
I was thinking of buying from Genneva as well. but scared it might turn out to be a scam.

worst case scenario, if it's a scam, all i have to loose is the monthly dividend payment right? cause the gold will still be in my hand and i can still sell it elsewhere.
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SPOT ON, ksc_3688! Yes, you still hold the Genneva Gold in hand no matter what happens to the company and can still sell the 999 pure gold elsewhere. nod.gif

I'll be happy to meet you at Genneva's office to show you around and to answer any questions you may have. Just buy me coffee. tongue.gif

Here's the address: Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd, 52A-1 Jalan Kuchai Maju 6, Off Jalan Kuchai Lama, 58200 Kuala Lumpur.

Cheers!
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Im intrested in GOld as well, can i buy this directly ? I mean pure 100% gold not fake one ler. Whats your price ?

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 26 2011, 11:07 AM)
You mean salesmen ler......    nod.gif    biggrin.gif

You goose site is not linked at      http://www.genneva-world.com/web/
How do you claim to be 'consultants'?  biggrin.gif

Hows paying interest make it Syariah compliant?  NOBODY answer this yet.....  rclxub.gif
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Ahyah prophetjul, "consultants" sounds better lah. cool2.gif

http://www.genneva-world.com/web/ is Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd's official website.

My friends and I created the blog http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com :
1. to share more about the Genneva's wealth-sharing platform in greater detail,
2. address concerns and misperceptions about the company, and
3. to post articles and humor on gold that might interest our clients and visitors to our site.

We call our blog Genneva Malaysia - My Gold Goose... simply because the company Genneva Malaysia is literally our "golden goose".
Here, read our first posting The Golden Goose at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/2011/03/0...e-golden-goose/

How do we claim to be "consultants"?
First, you have to be an investor yourself with a minimum purchase of 100G of Genneva Gold.
Then you apply to the company that you want be a consultant to sell Genneva Gold as a business lah. brows.gif

You can be a Gold Entrepreneur. When you introduce your friends and family members to save with Gold, you can earn a 5-digit income within months.
This is neither a MLM nor a Get-Rich-Quick Scheme. No free lunch. Reap what you sow. Simple. Want to know more, buy me coffee! whistling.gif

To learn more about Syariah Compliance, please click on the relevant links at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about-genneva-malaysia/

BTW, as Consultants, it is compulsory to attend a full day seminar (approved by Bank Negara) on An Approach to Syariah Gold Trading Compliance, Banking and Financial Institution Act, 1989 and Anti-Money Laundering and Anti-Terrorism Financing Act, 2001.

Cheers!
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QUOTE(ShoppingBag @ Apr 27 2011, 02:34 AM)
Im intrested in GOld as well, can i buy this directly ? I mean pure 100% gold not fake one ler. Whats your price ?
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Hi ShoppingBag and all newbies interested in saving with gold,

First, please read my open letter and follow all the links at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/2011/03/0...-my-gold-goose/
Then, read Genneva Gold Savings Plan at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about/

Interested to know more, PM me.

Cheers!
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Hey PatEagle,

How did you assayed the goldbars? I have a strong feeling they are gold plated tungstens, which are able to surpass most counterfeit test.

This post has been edited by HuorEarfalas: Apr 27 2011, 06:43 AM
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March 29, 2011 at 11:59 am I personally known Mr.Fernandez, i have asked him before to what extend of the legality is Genneva Malaysia? he answered theres no proper signed documents from the board. Its more of a verbal OK from the people in power from BNM. It is only rightous to legalize a company under the BNM wing if the were endorsed by the members of the board or in other word the bankers themselves. Anyone can buy a scheduled institution company, what to define as a scheduled institution company?
To define it in a nut shell, it is a franchise offering by BNM to those who wish to do financial related business. They are not licenced nor approved by the main board in BNM. It is a so called franchise product/plan sold by BNM for revanue. thats why there no deposit taking allowed unless the fanchise holder specially apply to do so. As for the case of Genneva, they have bought over an abondoned fanchise and turn it into GMSB and then claims they are legal.Thats why they still hide themselves under the radar and not to be seen selling in public. No approval in endorsement by the relevant people yet. A verbal ok by the some cronies in there wont mean anything.


http://www.lioninvestor.com/the-gold-label/

wow!.....they bought over an abandoned franchaise company and call it ok? whistling.gif


Added on April 27, 2011, 8:46 am
QUOTE(PatEagle @ Apr 27 2011, 03:36 AM)
Ahyah prophetjul, "consultants" sounds better lah.  cool2.gif

http://www.genneva-world.com/web/ is Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd's official website.

My friends and I created the blog http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com :
1. to share more about the Genneva's wealth-sharing platform in greater detail,
2. address concerns and misperceptions about the company, and
3. to post articles and humor on gold that might interest our clients and visitors to our site.

We call our blog Genneva Malaysia - My Gold Goose... simply because the company Genneva Malaysia is literally our "golden goose".
Here, read our first posting The Golden Goose at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/2011/03/0...e-golden-goose/

How do we claim to be "consultants"?
First, you have to be an investor yourself with a minimum purchase of 100G of Genneva Gold.
Then you apply to the company that you want be a consultant to sell Genneva Gold as a business lah. brows.gif

You can be a Gold Entrepreneur. When you introduce your friends and family members to save with Gold, you can earn a 5-digit income within months.This is neither a MLM nor a Get-Rich-Quick Scheme. No free lunch. Reap what you sow. Simple. Want to know more, buy me coffee! whistling.gif

To learn more about Syariah Compliance, please click on the relevant links at http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about-genneva-malaysia/

BTW, as Consultants, it is compulsory to attend a full day seminar (approved by Bank Negara) on An Approach to Syariah Gold Trading Compliance, Banking and Financial Institution Act, 1989 and Anti-Money Laundering and Anti-Terrorism Financing Act, 2001.

Cheers!
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YOU have not answered my question

Hows it a scheme paying monthly interests be Syariah compliant? whistling.gif
Just cos YOU say so?

Since you claimed to have been trained by BNM, pls explain whats Syariah.

Next, to all who wish to invest or sell this product, she claims that one can earn 5 figure income in few months.
How can a company pay out sustained 18% pa interest, pay lucrative income to their salesmen, and make a resaonable profit by selling a NON consumable product?
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As yerself properly......as Madoff.......

The mods deleted my last msg. Dont know why....just trying to discuss this thing and bring light to pertinent questions
before someone gets burnt.... sad.gif


Added on April 27, 2011, 9:11 amThis is one similar failed gold scheme in Singapore- The Gold Label



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The Gold Label Pte. Ltd Singapore. have applied for Insolvent Voluntary Liquidation on the 8th of February 2011 and only official announcement was made yesterday, 15 Feb 11 in Business Times.
During the meeting of creditors held on the 8th of February 2011, the following company was appointed the liquidators:
SK Lai and Co.
8 Robinson Road
#13-00 ASO Building
Singapore 048544
Mr Lai Seng Kwoon
Tel: 62365710
Fax: 62267030
Email: laisk@sklai.com.sg
If you have any queries, kindly direct them to Mr Lai Seng Kwoon.

A story on how TGL Singapore get into Voluntary Liquidation.

1. Sometime in July 2010, Wealth Foundation, one of the marketing arm of TGL, found out that TGL is not making profits. Wealth Foundation Singapore sold more than 70% of TGL’s Gold sales from Dec 2009 till July 2010. Wealth Foundation management decided to stop marketing TGL Gold effective from 15 August 2010. This event led to a sudden fall in new sales and created high sell-back. This is like a tsunami run by Gold clients on TGL. TGL was left with more Gold bars and their cash flow was seriously impacted.

2. TGL continued sales to try to rectify the issue of high sell back against lower sales. High sell back of millions were expected for November and December per month.

3. TGL has immense inherited problems because the directors admitted that the margins from the sales were not churned, leaving company unable to fulfill payments.

4. The October 2010 sales attempt fail to address high sell back situations but created another high sell back situation of sell back amounting millions in January 2011.

5. Directors of TGL resigned in mid-November 2010, leaving two investors who came in with investment and apply turnaround strategies and change the business model of TGL.

6. Part of the turnaround strategy included an informal SCHEME ARRANGEMENT to request sell back clients in December 2010 and January 2011 to accept delayed rebates and pay outs by 9-12 months.

7. In December 2010, TGL stop sales to deal with immense inherited issues and debts, and amidst negative reaction from customers and ex-agents with threats of lawsuits.

8. 8 Feb 2011, TGL filed for Voluntary Liquidation. TGL Singapore is in history now.


http://www.lioninvestor.com/the-gold-label/

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Apr 27 2011, 10:34 AM
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Hey Prophetjul

Good points there.

The only way to make 5-figure income in a few months is to put a 7-figure deposit in the instrument, assuming a single digit return rate.

The probable reason why Genneva is doing well here is likely due to the fact that there are more sheep/lemmings/ignoramuses.



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