I start this topic based on several factor( not in term on science).

y? cos i wonder about your point of view in this topic, or share it.

i sure everyone can search the information of " brain structure" in internet. (scientific explain).

Then, how about mind. here r some curios questions:

1) mind control brain or brain control mind?
2) soul control mind then control brain, or brain control soul? or mutual?
3) our brain size & weight can measure, but inside the brain (mind) is infinity space or universal.
4) why some ppl can predict or receive some unknow information?
5) Dream. "layer dream" i believe many ppl also experince it before, but some dream like "future dream" do u experince it? (example: u dream u r in place & talk with ppl u dun know, then u wakeup, u just figure it a normal dream. after 1 year, u go to the place talk to the same person, then u start realise all this happen in your dream before.)
6) Some ppl r brain/mind damage: (down syndrome)- They talk to himself, or talk to "air" (ppl we can't c). What r they thinking, what thing play in their brain/mind. are they "lock" down in their on "space", & what inside the "space".
7) from brain to mind, from mind to space, from space to soul......(what the next)
8) life end up after the body form stop/die. is that the space/mind inside go to other place or transfer?


What Do u think about this question? Can share u point of view, very appreciate & thank for your imaginative answer.

Sorry for my bad english.

Not proven yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prize..._the_paranormal

pls define soul....

go learn human consciousness...

go learn brain structural function...

go read Phantoms in the Brain : Probing the Mysteries of the Human Mind by Ramachandran

I think your guys got miss understood in this topic. No in term of science as i say early.

Ok...maybe may bad english cos ppl missunderstood...

Here is my view: (i believe diference ppl have diference view, & pls note it, this topic may not related or affected by religion, races, or culture, depend on how u think about it. some ppl will automatic mix it will culture, some mix with science, is all up to u).

1) brain- mind- space-soul. example: human mind r unlimit or infinity, but border but the restriction of of human body. Some ppl use their mind to create solution that the human can overcome diase, & die. If u go indeed, mind & brain can be totally "related" or "not all" (can be define as layer/space).

2) Human can create "thing" (city, tech..) & destroy it. The idea & inspiration all come from the mind. So indeed of mind, i believe got "space", & each space got a door for it. each door/space got the diference infor(inventory). The point is, how many door u can open? & how many knowledge (ideas) inside the space u can grab(remenber).

3) lock down- when we go to certain or too many space, the deep of the mind....we may lost our panth to reallity. example: u may say : this guy thinking too much & now his mental got little insane or worsted. (this depend on how deep u explore & how far u can remenber your panth to back home). beside that, some ppl when they face great impact (sons die sunddely), they may become insane. Y? our brain/mind got selfdefence system. & your Soul will lock in the space( memory space (past) - happy time with her sons), & she will talk to the "air", or alway think that she sons go working.

4) so thay why i say: brain - mind-space- soul. simply express my view for it.

5) Dreams- (1 layer dream) i believe may of u may dream a place for piss( toilet), then u sure piss out. when u grow up, same dream, but u realise is that dream & u automatic force yourself wakeup to piss. Rite?

(2 layer dreams) i do dream 2 layers dream like what your ppl saw the movie "inception". i dream i when out with my friends, talk alot, then the sky change dark, ghost chasing me (all ppl around me gone unconciously). i knew it a dream, i make myself wakeup, then i wakeup in my room. but the window is dark while my room is light(sunlight). i realise it a dream too, & i force my self wakeup. i wakeup in reality room, my head damn pain.

6) Predictable/ future dream(Déjà vu)- Maybe i'm the lucky one, cos i came dream this kind of dream: i dream i jogging in apark (i never go before) & talk to someone i don't know him/her. affter that i wakeup, realise it just a dream. Then after a year, in the place & the ppl i talk....wait...why this so familiar...why all this scenario so similar of my dreamed? why. Those ppl who got this kind of dream sure cannot explain of it (feeling).

7) Received data- recieved any data from alien? no...but i do dream a apak i dunno, say: "u got little money or not" shout very louded. alway say this too me...then his gone with his motor bike. i notice his plate no" tomoro i go toto..buy & win...LOL. Can this be explain in sceince? i sure may of your parent face this before. this kind of service do appear in military in US , china & russia.

8) idea- Why some ppl idea so great very craetive, while other not. why some ppl got wonder full data that can build atom....city..& future.

9) infinity ..........dunno how to talk...or can u understand me. Movie like "mad detective" HK film- very well..cos 1 man/brain- inside the mind got space that lock 7 soul. this character play by Lam ka tong.

Why i share this topic...cos i believe..( I believe i can fly, one day human can fly in sky- Orville and Wilbur Wright).

Do share your point of view regard : brain or mind or space or soul. how they work together? How deep human can explore? How many door & what inside in your Space?

Thak for ppl who view this post. sorry for my bad english.

This post has been edited by peace230: Mar 7 2011, 09:03 AM

wow,cant believe i found this here,i always think how does our brain function but cant get the answer.but i managed to think of some thing to answer the question regarding how does our brain work.
and mostly what i get is question leads to another questions><
2) soul control mind then control brain, or brain control soul? or mutual?
do question just pop out in the brain or it is fate that we find the question?just i like found this post here^^ fate and karma.?
my findings are we receive information around us by sense but unconsciously,why do question pop out?soul control our brain?
maybe there is a clear explaination?can we control our thaught?HAVE U TRIED TO THINK MANY THINGS AT ONCE?
is it thinking 3 things and 1 things different in some ways?
3) our brain size & weight can measure, but inside the brain (mind) is infinity space or universal.
i dont really care about brain size,but based on my experience,knowledge does not accumulate by themselves in our brain we need to accumulate them.
4) why some ppl can predict or receive some unknow information?
it is a gift gave by god.
5) Dream. "layer dream" i believe many ppl also experince it before, but some dream like "future dream" do u experince it? (example: u dream u r in place & talk with ppl u dun know, then u wakeup, u just figure it a normal dream. after 1 year, u go to the place talk to the same person, then u start realise all this happen in your dream before.)
ya,i experience before.^^
6) Some ppl r brain/mind damage: (down syndrome)- They talk to himself, or talk to "air" (ppl we can't c). What r they thinking, what thing play in their brain/mind. are they "lock" down in their on "space", & what inside the "space".
== i am not brain dmage so i dont know==u have to ask those who got brain damage.
7) from brain to mind, from mind to space, from space to soul......(what the next)
to new possibilities.if we study hard enough,we can see more new possibilites.
8) life end up after the body form stop/die. is that the space/mind inside go to other place or transfer?
try to watch this movie,hereafter^^

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Added on April 4, 2011, 10:33 amwow,nice to share with us^^ what an impressive findings.and profound findings.
i have read it ,and it is wonderful^^

This post has been edited by jackietingyu5: Apr 4 2011, 10:49 AM

Thank for your reply.

for me, sometime hard to control my mind keep thinking, the ideas, inform keep coming & coming (like after c a movie, what do u feel it, learn it, what the message they need to apply).

another movie regard brain damage (sakit jiwa) : "新房客(1995)/ New Tenant (1995)" play by Anthony Wong Chau sang (黃秋生). The film regard our mind & time space line....something like that...

"We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring….
Will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time….
After the game is before the game……

Men……probably the most mysterious species on our planet….
A mystery of unanswered questions…..

Who are we? Where do we come from?
Where are we going? How do we know. What we think we know?
Why do we believe anything at all?

Countless questions in search of an answer……..
An answer that will give rise to a new question…..
And the next answer will give rise to the next question and so on….

But, in the end, isn't it always the same question?
And always the same answer?

The ball is round. The game lasts 90 minutes….
That's a fact. Everything else is pure theory.
Here we go!
RUN LOLA RUN…

Every second of every day you're faced with a decision that can change your life…..
The difference between life or death can be decided in a split second. ~ RUN LOLA RUN 1998


& i do like this subtitle very much, & i do like the movie regard mind thinking & space timeliness.

Mind thinking: (curios what inside in that ppl mind..)
movie regard it: Mad detective, red dragon, The Silence of the Lambs, New Tenant ...etc.

space & timeliness: (full of imaginary, when(where) it start, & when it end, or recycle never ending)
film: 13th floor, Second Time Around (HK film, the concept quite good), Doremon (lanci bawa meja adalah time machine), the sound of thunder, run lola run ...etc (based on their concept, some question may anwser, or in logic form...)

All come to mind in theory form....undefine answer....

a little bit for share in space timeliness...
Source regard 13th floor ; http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/

when u watch the movie of 13th floor, they said 2044 year ppl create 100 above simulator (world & ai ppl exist in computer simulator space) & one of then r simulator 1996, this simulator 1996 his own self create simulator 1940, which means simulator create simulator....

my question r, 2044 maybe also simulator too. if 2044 world r simulator, then where is the first (real) world that create all this simulators? can we count of it? how many actual simulator in created? & how many simulator create simulator r craeted? is that got end of it, or is that recycle"lun hui" the space & timelinesss...like we all, ( born , sick old & die~ if u believe in buddha)....Why they want to create simulator...& who behide this..???

maybe we r the simulator tooo, Y? cos since the nano metre create, we can notice our body contraction cells, getting small & small until we meet DNA....is that DNA is the end of limitation or can we go further....& deeper?

imagine now camera do offer great pixel in photo, but when we zoom the photo (enlarge), we can notice that the photo consist of billion of pixels & each of the pixel fill with diference color....very similar too our body rite?
u may say i thinking tooo much:

btw just for share my experince & point of view only.....

sorry for my bad english....

This post has been edited by peace230: Apr 4 2011, 12:05 PM

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Added on April 4, 2011, 12:22 pmMy thoughts - comments welcome.

1. Brain is the interface that translate the will of the mind (mental) into physical phenomena. It is the connection between the psychic and the physical base.

Those who are paralyzed by stroke may lose the ability to move parts of their body. But this does not mean the mind is dead. They still possess the 'will' to move that part of the body, it's just that the part of the brain that control that part of the body is being knocked out. In this sense, "I" want to move , but it is not translated into movement because the interface is gone.

2. Look at our body as just got 2 things nia - body and mental activities. Simpler to group it as consisting of just physical AND mental parts.

4. psychic powers lor

5. dream is subconscious.

8. I don't think it will end that way. It should continue to exist but not in the way you expect it to be or wish it to be most of the time.

Space is infinite, consciousness is also infinite!

This post has been edited by soul2soul: Apr 4 2011, 12:22 PM

i would say that u watched too much movies-.-''especially science fiction one==

lol
i am the same also but included other genres as well like romance and manhwa and action and hentai.
but what i seek is the way to be genius.so i thaught maybe if i know how does our brain work,i might stand a chance to be genius

This post has been edited by jackietingyu5: Apr 4 2011, 02:05 PM

actually i like their concept & ideas. They(creator) can devalope or express their idea tru movie or comis or paper....like what we saw today.

do u believing man can fly?

here is the prototype of it( this maybe based on Tiberium Sun or starwar concept~fiction games or book)

http://www.impactlab.net/2007/04/28/yves-r...the-flying-man/

What i like to say is: ideas without action merely dreams...
action + ideas make your dreams come true.....++ believing is the force to success...

here is alitte bit regard our brain (2 side);

Right Brain vs. Left Brain

Definition

This theory of the structure and functions of the mind suggests that the two different sides of the brain control two different “modes” of thinking. It also suggests that each of us prefers one mode over the other.

Discussion

Experimentation has shown that the two different sides, or hemispheres, of the brain are responsible for different manners of thinking. The following table illustrates the differences between left-brain and right-brain thinking:

Left Brain: Logical, Sequential, Rational, Analytical, Objective, Looks at parts
Right Brain: Random, Intuitive, Holistic, Synthesizing, Subjective, Looks at wholes


So, how do u look on your mind...how does your ideas come out?

For example: your client(boss) want u to produce a new business...(what everlah)...so, what is the first think appear in your mind..then it will follow by other issue (link) such as ..model, location, target, earning...+++ etc.

Q: which of the (left or right) side brain much usage...?

Since the definition is so clear, why school never teach us how to harness / practice brain power? We can all be genius but which side of the brain form talent or how? Why ordinary people don't have talent? Is it true that dumb people use less of their brain? Or What cause stupidity is more interesting to know if there are reasons than what the brain does.

Regard the practice brain power, it may can be divide to :

1) memory power (how to remenber word)
2) Brainstorm (gathering of ideas for inspiration)

Memory power (daya ingatan): Simply talk~ i know in Malaysia do offer memory classes, help ppl to remenber all the word, image, color, items, specific ...etc, in a fast moment. For some student that lack of memory power (alway forgot the content after reading), it can be practice & upgrade your memory mind.

Memory power: actually human brain don't like to accept words or digit, we feel is anoying when we read the book(whole book/novel in time instead of comic book). Our brain much like visual & colorful thing, so to achieve how we remenber the word & digit, we will replace each words/sentence/name/digit... with visual. So exam come, the first thing appear in your mind is the visual: then follow by word/sentence.

Why we forget (name/place/tel no) after we meet some one, why we need to write it down instead of remenber it??

actually all we see, we meet, the data already store in our mind, just we don't know "where u put your data".
one of the method to practice memory power~ replace digit/word/sentence with visual, & "store it in library"

"libraby~ a place to store book according to the type, theme, of the book. So when u need it, u know the place go for."

Here is the link as reference: http://www.dumex.com.my/young_children/chi..._Development_14


Brainstorm
ideas sometime come easily & go easily too.....sometime the ideas imcompleted, or maybe just a sign.
so from the imcompleted idea or sign (mark it as headline, centercore), from there u can link the issue/ problem..indirect or direct to your center core....like web spider or tree. (of cos u need to write it down, unless u got powerful memory). After that, finish the exploration, evaluate your brainstorm plan, & try to develope ideas...link together. Brainstorm can be a person or a group of ppl, the more ppl, the more exploration & the more result.

Powerful memory not equel brainstorm
Yes, certain things can be practice but certain cannot. So we need to mix with other ppl, heard about it, share about it, & learn about it........

Do share u point of view, correct me if i'm wrong....

sorry for my poor english...

Well, I understand the visual aspect of memory and I rely on it in my work of art, perhaps its true that we are more susceptible to image since it is what dream made of rather than words or language. I practice thinking in English until it became a habit and made myself competent in it though no bombastic vocabulary, you can try it too so you don't have to apologize being poor in it.

Brainstorming with a group of half bake yield nothing and the decision is always made by the senior or responsible for it, youngsters who came from better financial support tends to have too much ego in the brain and the older one eat salt more than we eat rice. Not many people willing to subject themselves to test their own brain power that could shame them and stop improving, as long as they are comfortable living a life, they think they know enough and are doing the right thing until the winds of change struck and they panic.

It is scary and unpleasant to found ourselves being stupid, will say the wrong thing and agitate to comments. As such, talking about the brain to grown ups isn't really going to get any where.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Apr 7 2011, 11:49 PM

+1,i guess we are human afterall.my point of view is almost the same as yours.
and i think our only keep important data and informations<<this sentences i read it somewhere before and i still can remember it until now,so i think this statement is true.

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Added on April 17, 2011, 1:18 amkeep on thinking.but -.-i think u think too much><, relax yr mind dude.^^

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Added on April 17, 2011, 1:21 amlet's think outside the box ^^.
if we question how does our brain work,it will lead to more questions annd more questions><
if u score 100 marks, it does not mean u will earn big money.
but in some senses, those who score 100 marks most of them are smart ppl<not all.
logically,smart ppl will earn more money.something like cause and effect.
if we just study without know how does our brain work,in some senses it is bad to us.
if we study without any idea how does our brain work ,it might cause some stress to our brain .
why school never teach us how to harness / practice brain power.
lol,why do they even bother to teach such complex thing to us@.@ as long they get their monthly income,they are happy .
when i was in form 5,i ask my teacher? how to score 100?
he answered me,study la.
and i ask him,how to study?
he said, take note and do exercise or listen to him.
so,i just followed what he told me.
i study and take note and listen to his lecture=.=
and in the end.i did not score 100%.i just get 80 something.
where does it go wrong?
no idea,i still dont know where does it go wrong when i was taking my spm.
but,i try to find out where does it go wrong?
right now,before i face examintion,i will try different method to study and different way to answer the exam paper.
my results got a ,b also got, c also got,but i am happy with it becoz i know which method works and which method does not work.
we just have to find out by ourselves.

This post has been edited by jackietingyu5: Apr 17 2011, 02:20 AM

I watched a few documentary about all the subject being discussed here, seems all are from after watching Astro. Since Astro keep repeating, no more new topic here, so much for thinking outside the box.

When I was younger, I could not understand how one can think from outside if never been out of the well. It simply mean to think from other's perspective but one need to know and experience more things to be able to do that, otherwise assume from age factor or shallow mentality. I don't tell people to think outside the box because it is the same as asking stupid chicken or egg question, I laughed the first time someone ask me that question nearly 20 years ago, a fool tries to act smart but people still asking today.

A lot of people don't understand what they know, knowing is not understanding and echo the words everywhere as if they understand. This is dangerous, scam / strayed religion / propaganda / new cult ride on this defect. We don't control which side of the brain to perform as desire like you don't try to balance a bicycle after you can ride one, your mind can think of other things even hallucinate in daydream.

Does it make us smarter to know which side of the brain is for what? Do we need to know the purpose of being human to live a life? Why ask more questions that don't matter or don't have answer? If we are not in the position / qualify to investigate and provide credible answer, discussing in the box won't produce anything.

==lol, thinking outside the box=by jst asking different question which is related to this topic.nothing difficult or like chicken and egg question.chicken and egg question has an ambiguous answer
like paradox
1)the statement below is wrong
2)the statement above is correct<<
now,i just thaught outside the box.simple right?

When I was younger, I could not understand how one can think from outside if never been out of the well<<
like if u had never been to moon,how do u know moon look like?
use telescope ^^
so it is possible to think outside the box even though u no need to go outisde^^.jst imagine will do like art,
you create yr own 3d environment framework and yr own characters base on yr imagination or reality.
do u need to think outside the box?yes,u just did it without realizing what u did^^
in some senses,creativity can be equal to think outside the box.

let's say now,we dont know how to make telescope,and we want to how does universe look like?
what do we need to do first?
u could say,i have no idea.
but there is a way.we just need to find it.


second possible answer is
let's build something that can fly us to the moon.

more childish answer is
ask superman to fly us there.
superman is an alien,lol.

This post has been edited by jackietingyu5: Apr 17 2011, 03:25 AM

jackietingyu5,

Then, IMHO, you are still thinking inside your "box".

The "BOX" is the sum of all your knowledge and experience.

To THINK outside of the BOX is to see and know THINGS that you DO NOT KNOW. To see what is invisible to you...

So, do you know what you DO NOT KNOW aka your BOX?? If you don't, you DO NOT KNOW whether you are thinking inside or outside the box to begin with.

So, what you DO NOT KNOW about this subject??

Dreamer

P.S.: A medical story that I read somewhere. A person that never like spicy food had a liver transplant from a person that like spicy food. After the liver transplant, he start liking spicy food. Coincidence?? Does LIVER has a brain / memory / intelligence that carry with it?? I do not know.

As far as I can tell, I DO NOT KNOW anything about this subject. I do not know how brain, mind, and etc works.. And, that is the EXTEND of my knowledge of this subject. I know that I DO NOT KNOW.

yup jst like u said.anyway I am learning^^becoz i am a student,everyday i learn new thing. does this make me think outside the box yes?^^ becoz u said so^^.i add in another thing into my box.

This post has been edited by jackietingyu5: Apr 17 2011, 03:34 AM

Before someone invent the telescope, everyone can see the moon with eyes, if you have not live in ancient time, read la but how to increase sales? Everyone must invent a new technique? Suddenly become creative? Imagine will do? Real world is not fake 3D art, you are making a bad example of assuming you understand from what you know.

Find out what is knowing and understanding before you make a fool of yourself.

why do u become an artist?
lol,if u jst included in the possibility that everyone can see the moon with their bared eyes.==
i knew la

This post has been edited by jackietingyu5: Apr 17 2011, 12:59 PM

I sorry, didn't realize you are so young. What is your answer to chicken or egg?

I cannot brain your question "let's say now,we dont know how to make telescope,and we want to how does universe look like?", "let's build something that can fly us to the moon." Why go to the moon to see how universe look like?

Learning new things is not thinking outside the box, a student in school is in the box prior to the real world, until you begin to fend for yourself, you know nothing about working, so you can only say you know about occupation but you cannot say you understand, thinking is to analyze the problem and concoct possible solutions from various factors.

Just because you can practice masturbation does not mean you are good in sexual intercourse, why? Wait until you got married lah, cannot rush mah. Think outside like fantasize is not the same as touching the real person.
Why I become an artist? Because I like to draw and failed all subjects except English & Art. So no choice loh but what does that has to to with the box? Do you know what is talent? Why is it a gift?

Include what possibilities? Your question don't make sense, it is because you are not using your ability to forge proper communication, I have been young before but you cannot say you've been old before, so I am talking to you from a bigger box and there are many sizes.

what u said,it is just like, u think u understand but actually u dont.
If you feel agitated and echo what was said to you means you are reacting from your emotion because you can't differentiate knowing & understanding. In simpler term; Someone say f u and you reply the same, does it answer your question? I remember slapping myself many times acting exactly like you many moons ago, you'll get over it when you grow up.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Apr 17 2011, 04:33 AM