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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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wunderbar
post Jun 1 2011, 10:53 PM

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very good and long debate over the property prices.
thanks to all for their contributions, i learned something new smile.gif

Personally, i don't see the property prices going anywhere but up.
Seriously doubt that a PJ house is going to depreciate by 20-30% within a year or 2. A more likely scenario is that the property is going to appreciate by 10% over the next 6 months.
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post Jun 2 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 2 2011, 10:55 AM)
if prop price dropped, many sectors will suffer (includiing your job), but we can buy prop at lower prices.
If continue up, flipper and developers will win but mid income ppl will suffered. (can not afford and continue to rent or live with parent)

which scenerio do you prefer?
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Hi lucerne,

I honestly would prefer the economy to continue growing at a steady and realistic rate.
That's the ideal but how possible to achieve, i cannot say.

Both your scenario's seem to be based on "must either Win OR Lose" mentality.
I hope the middle path can prevail.
In this case, it will allow people to earn and buy what they can afford.
People who have bought properties can still earn a decent ROI.

There is no way to make things back to the way they were (RM0.10 for a bowl of noodles).
Change is inevitable.
Lets just hope that the change will come gradually and not just suddenly show up and slap you in the face (like the 2 scenarios you suggested)

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post Jun 2 2011, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 2 2011, 03:02 PM)
with today fast changes (due to advance technologies, internet, borderless era, globalization trade?) , the economy cycle will become shorter. so i think the future outcomes will be more drastic compare to those 20,30 years ago. the rich poor gap will become wider. Only the smarter people will survived (not veyr rich though), and the poors will suffered more. so one need to be very careful in their investment and money management. u cant expect the same as 20-30 years ago.

personally i think those people with good financial knowledge will be survived. u need to open up your mindset, think global. sharpen your investment knowledge.  like one said dun become katak di bawah tempurung.  those can take higher risk (calculated) will be rewarded. (like those tycoon.

share, commodities market become more volatile than before.
business is getting tougher, margin become thiner. (too many poors?)
new biz start failed sooner then previous. old biz cant sustain any longer.
more conmen than old days (try all new tatics to cheat u)
job opp is lesser, jobless rise. (and govt dun bother u)
your bank saving will become worthless. (fixed asset is better?)
prop market become uncertain due to too much speculation (unlike old days, stable and systematically appreciation)
so what to do? if u cant beat them jsut join them la - lets jump into prop and share lah.. see who is smarter.. or die standing..(become poorer)
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Haha, right on on the last line.
Jumping soon smile.gif
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post Jun 3 2011, 04:24 PM

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i think a fundamental thing that most people should keep in mind is

"Buy what you need and can afford 1st, invest only if you have access cash"

i know of people buying a prop just to get rental income, they say its a way of getting a free prop.
this theory is all good and well only IF the tenants are good paymasters and do not leave.

i think as long as people dont get too greedy and over stretch their money, they should all be OK.
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post Jun 6 2011, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Jun 6 2011, 08:45 AM)
property could be asset or liabilities at the blink of eye.

Note: i can see 1 prop adv from 680k and now asking 620k quietly now... wait and see over the times... soon soon, more and more offer...
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Prop drop price can be from 2 scenarios:
1. market really peaking and slowly dropping to more reasonable rates
2. owner got cash issue and desperate now

if the case is the latter, i think you should go look at the prop. can pressure the seller for a better price smile.gif
if its the former, tunggu dan lihat la smile.gif
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post Jun 6 2011, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 6 2011, 02:57 PM)
in sg, sh, hk, taiwan, korea...many low to mid income ppl eg working class, blue or white collar r ok to live in smaller, older apt, they know that the high end condo, landed prop r for the rich and expatriates. compare to kl, everyone want to live in new condo, landed prop (not old single storey but new DSL or SD, near city etc..some even want to buy new prop just after graduate. they feel shame if they live in old apartments. they are so many affordable old apartment out there but mostly rented to foreigners, blue collars etc. locals always think that they are higher status adn refuse to stay with the so called "low class ppl". look at sg, more than 80% citizen are living in HDB flat. they dun feel shame to stay together with blue collars workers, low income earners etc. wat's wrong with young msian??
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Very true. it's a malaysian thing.

But then again, don't know if its because of a "Malaysian" mentality OR we don't have a form of "Standardized" housing.
Living in a HDB flat is all well and good because there is little comparison. It's usually only either HDB flats OR Condominiums.

Over here you have low-cost, medium cost, apartments, condominiums, service apartments, luxury condominiums.
It's no wonder why people here are picky, cause they have so many choices smile.gif


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