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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues
Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues
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Feb 22 2011, 08:34 AM
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Feb 22 2011, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Feb 22 2011, 10:11 AM) Well, there's no need for you to conclude it, because we all know it hasn't happen. And if true to history, nay sayers will pop in and announce it again. Buy things with potential you wouldn't need to wait for the price to drop. Anytime is a good time.Like the kid who keeps asking "are we there yet?" If my suspicions are correct, then the nay sayers are basically the speculators with alot at stake. |
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Jun 5 2011, 01:06 PM
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Jun 5 2011, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(sunzi69 @ Jun 5 2011, 05:06 PM) i'm 25..a fresh graduate graduated from UK majoring in finance just landed on a Management associate job in 1 of the MNC in Malaysia... My brother also graduate from UK, he is 26 also a fresh grads earning 4k right now. but he is a lecturer starting pay- RM2300 (to be revised after completion of the 2 years training program) feel like freaking stressful when talking about this property prices.. For others may perceive that Foreign grad that got a MTP job in MNC seems to have a lot of bright prospect but i seem myself very gloomy future down the road.... I am local and my great grandfather follow Yap Ah Low to develop the KL raw land ...but now seems like i can't even have my own 5 feet place to sleep( to own a house) *those speculate jerks who didn't contribute to the economy but everyday just going to new launch development site to sign a few S&P documents ,few more months back pass back the title to freshie like us and earn the "jackpot" with appreciation gain out of nothing... People like us work like hell from 9am to 9pm in MNC just able to fork out few hundreds to save in a month... But people like those freaking rich auntie just buying properties like buying vegetables ,5 units in 1 new lauching project, b4 get CF, gain 50k appreciate, Sell... 50k x 5 = 250k we freshie only managed to save RM300 per month, it will take how long to reach RM250k... but auntie just put few thousands for downpayment to developer, few months later, magic show starts, RM250k cash in ..wink ^_* ( definately she will sing the Rihanna's song .. don't stop the music.. come ..young man..keep buying.. agent asking buy now ..if not few months back increase again... developer asking.. no bubble.. buy buy buy ..so that they can sell to u more more more at HIGHER and SKY HIGH Price) i knew i ady have written in a very emotional way ady... haha..but i just can't help it... ok..after emo from my right brain.. it's to use my left brain to analyse.. According to Property Price to income ratio, Malaysia seems quite low compared to Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, China ,Taiwan, Korea (see any similarities ??) 1. They are all Chinese origin, we Chinese custom from 5000 years back, die die must have a house to start a family) 2. They are all very developed country in economic sense...but Malaysia?? hehe..are we?? this is what I object what the agent said about Malaysia property price is much cheaper now compared to Hong kong and Singapore... but ahem..excuse me...do we earn as much as HongKee and Singaporen or Japanese?? what are their GDP per capita??? World Ranking (by USD) GDP per Capita as at 2010 (sources from IMF) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...l%29_per_capita 15 Singapore 43,117 16 Japan 42,820 24 Hong Kong 31,591 25 Brunei 31,239 (surprise me, Brunei.wow) 33 South Korea 20,591 37 Taiwan 18,458 50 Libya 11,314 (lol..even Libya just got attack also doing better than Malaysia by far percentage..are we ashamed or not?? ) 65 Malaysia 8,423 94 China 4,382 (dun forget PRC has 1.3billion ppl) (comment a bit above) Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan,Korea needs not to say..They ady get rid of medium income trap.. their economy can producing high value add on products and rakyat enjoy high income so that high property price still can sustainable... moreover, Singapore and Hong Kong do have a protective security net for low income group, they can't buy private house, still have "HIGH QUALITY HDB Flats" for the citizen.. but What About Malaysia??? Our Goverment said RM3k is considered HIGH INCOME group?? but bloody hell..do u think RM3k alone can afford to buy a house??? say cheers to urself in tat particular month if u no need borrow RM300 from ur parents or cash advance from credit card if u r living in KL... so.. I earning 3k ,Gov said i ady high income group, suppose I should not have the problem to own a property ,rite? since I am so "success".. but the fact is ??? what about those low income group below 3k??? what about the new generation future?? yeah.. 18 years education n training in Malaysia... Singapore Gov get it all talents for free.. TQ very much for ur highly productive workforce n cheap as well... okay..come to an article on Household debt in Malaysia – Is it sustainable? — S.M.Mohamed Idris http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/breakin....mohamed-idris/ According to Bank Negara’s Annual Report 2010, Malaysia’s household debt at end of 2010 was RM 581 billion or 76 per cent of GDP (Gross Domestic Product). The Bank claimed that the household debt is still manageable because of income growth, high levels of savings and favourable employment opportunities. Malaysian household debt service ratio 39.1 per cent in 2006 49.0 per cent in 2009 47.8 per cent in 2010. (Meaning to say earning RM100, almost half of paying off housing, car instalment, credit card) left RM50, then what else?? not to say 1)insurance (getting more n more expensive due to medical inflation) 2) daily meal allowance ( food price hike like hell, sugar,what else?) 3) utilities ( TNB naik lagi) 4) transportation (no more subsidy, transporter said wanna increase again) 5) ptptn fee 6) children tuition fee 7) grocery 8)internet 9)mobile 10) basic entertainment (movie..etc) 11)parents allowance 12) car maintenance 13) gf maintenance *take note, item 12 or 13 could be very expensive too ..hehe ^^ depend on individual 14) savings (Masih ada meh???? sudah negative lor ....) n Please pray to God or Allah or Buddha or whatever, that no1 in ur family fall sick or need emergency treatment, as 1 minor surgery could cost you nearly bankrupt.... and Answer to BNM item 2)high levels of savings 1)we young generation will have no money to save 2) Old generation save becoz they don't see any productive economy opportunity to invest, or worried for the future, only thing, goreng stock and goreng property la..is it health to an economy?? and BNM item 1) income growth and 3)employment opportunities are in certain correlation from my point of view.. as what Najib is proposing ..ETP (yes, Economic Transformation Program)...sounds glamorous and shed a light to a gloomy gen-y youngster like me.. What I only know..Mr.Prime MInister.. sebelum kita jadi HIgh Income Country, sekarang ni sudah High Burden la...apa pun naik, gaji tak naik... have a look on the latest http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/index....emid=89&lang=en my lecturer said , he earns RM2300 in Standard Charted Bank also once he graduated back in 20 years ago... but now , I also earning RM2300 after graduated from UK.. at that time, he bought a bangsar landed property just cost him around RM30k.. i just check on bangsar landed property just now, it shows Bangsar,RM13,2Million (RM380.00 psf) Bangsar Property price increased by 440 x Fresh Grad Salary increased by 0 x (stagnant ) once again- well done.. Bolehland!!! let's talk about Income growth and Employment Opportunities... definately we Malaysia ady fall into Middle income trap countries.. To producing high quality services and products like Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea and Japan (Can we or Do we able to fight??) (Singapore and Hong Kong have a world class financial centre, logistic port, free corruption n busines friendly environment, do we have tat???) (Japan can made high quality and cheap Toyota or Korea can made hyundai or LG) What We Malaysian proud of ?? Making Proton cars ?? but still need protection??? and cost we Malaysian paying so high instalment for a ok ok proton for such a high price and sacrifice our quality of life... To achieve a high income country > to able produce high value of services or product n efficient > can we product high tech or value product services > (do we have tat talents?? or able to attract the talents or could we have the efficient and skillful workforce???) > to attract those talent > what is our gov policy or our current environment?? write till here...my paid is freaking low(RM2300 for junior)..but the same equivalent job i could earn about SGD3500 in senior position (about RM7500).. about 3x what i earn in Malaysia... so don't say we young generation not loyalty or to serve our country ...(but i dunno why i still serve my contribution in Malaysia becoz my family is here .. n I still love KL n it's my root) btw,1 last sentence.. Looking at the problem from the ratio of household debt to disposable income, this ratio is 140.4 per cent for Malaysia, one of the highest in the world; above that of Singapore at 105.3 per cent, USA at 123.3 per cent and Thailand at 52.7 per cent in 2009. This means that the loans taken by each household in Malaysia is on average 1.4 times more than its household income. yes.. no.1 in the world 140.4 percent for household debt to disposable income ...yes..we r more serious than sub-prime buyers in U.S and yet ppl say we Malaysia will not happen that what happened in U.S... i just wondering if ppl stop repaying their repayment n go bust, Banks surely are the one whose get affected drastically....if bank no money channeling out money out...surely tighten of credit supply...a mere property price bubble burst could trigger the stock marke collapse hence the hit into the real economy....it just like what happened in 1997.. perhaps 1 big event i believed which might started in China will initiate a contagion effect on the Asian region and sweep away all the excess liquidity in the market and once again 1997 Asian financial Crisis will once ..the history repeat itself again.. it's a circle anyway driven by human greedy n fear... so.. the music chair ..see when the music stops la... n i think very soon ..... I used to work for a MNC too, Co is very big in m'sia my boss top 3 richest malaysian. Guess what my pay almost same like you today, but i work very hard to do part time real estate. I am from property background so its easier for me to start. I made my 1st 100k at age 25 and that year also i bought my very first property in Taman Bunga Raya, Setapak. A single storey Renovated to 8rooms and from there on after 5yrs today i owe quite a number of properties already. I've client who made 2-3mil in 1-2years. I sold some very good properties where if i can buy itself at that time, i would have be a millionaire 2years ago. But its still not too late because we are still young. Stop complaining get yourself in action start to think how to make more money. In KL Money is everywhere go get it!! Work hard is the only key. and most important you need to learn the magic of investment |
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Jun 16 2011, 01:28 PM
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