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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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cybermaster98
post Apr 20 2011, 08:56 AM

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Prices are still going up for the prime areas for sure. I got an offer for my condo at Kiara Park, TTDI yesterday for RM 700K. My purchase price in May 2009 was only RM470K. Damn! Should have bought more.

Anyway, im looking to purchase another unit in Kiara Park. Any available?
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post Apr 21 2011, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(godutch @ Apr 21 2011, 10:19 AM)
I don't understand. I thot all new launches in KL and Selangor mostly kena sapu habis habis?

Isn't <60% take up low? Sifus, pls enlighten  notworthy.gif
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Mostly sapu habis habis? Who told you that? Dont tell me the property agent or the take up rate board that they display!
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post Apr 25 2011, 05:27 PM

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What do you guys think of Pelangi Mont Kiara?
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post May 6 2011, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 5 2011, 08:46 PM)
OPR up 0.25%, so expect to see all major banks to raise BLR as fast as Monday.

So with theory of RPGT 30%, properties price up 30%.
Now BLR up 1%, so housing price should go up in tandem with BLR rise?  whistling.gif  biggrin.gif
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Would banks increase thier loan rate offers now as well? Currently the best offer is BLR-2.4%.
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post May 20 2011, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(KLsooner @ May 20 2011, 09:41 AM)
It is off topics here. you can open another thread to talk about this or may be it has already been discussed b4.

My advice is to get life insurans instead of MRTA if you do not plan to stay there more than 10 years.

Normally for working couples, you can pay off your first house loan in less than 10 years if you really want to. Take a 15 years loan, pay 10% down, take out EPF saving every 3 years, put in all your bonuses, 7-8 years should be enough. MRTA is a waste.

If you stretch the loan too long, let say 30 years loan, for the first 10 years, 3/4 of your installment goes to interest. You can do the math.
Well this is right and wrong to a certain extent. Yes i thyink MRTA is a waste and if you already have a life insurance (which everybody should), then no point taking MRTA/MLTA.

Housing loans should only be minimised for those who cant manage money well. If ure a smart investor and have excellent financial controls, then getting a max loan period is best. This would free up capital to invest in a subsequent property.

I made a mistake with my 1st property in 2009 when i only took a 15 yr loan. The higher monthly payments will eat into your 'qualification' salary for a subsequent property. Luckily for me i could still go ahead with the 2nd unit without having to refinance the 1st. But ill surely face a problem with the 3rd property. So ill keep my refinancing & EPF option for then.

Taking out EPF too early is a waste when the returns on EPF is more than the amount you're paying for home loan interests at current rates.

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post May 20 2011, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ May 20 2011, 11:30 AM)
That time I will throw all my money in FD and get 10% compounded interest and lock for 5 years. No need to look so hard for $ to cover inflation already  flex.gif
There are only 2 low risk options to buffer against rising inflation: Gold and Property.
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post Jun 21 2011, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(ericpires @ Jun 21 2011, 09:25 AM)
The property bubble in China is gonna burst alredi and plus Greece is gonna crash soon. Expect property drop price soon
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The drop will only happen in new areas or areas facing glut. In the Klang Valley, developed and mature areas e.g TTDI, Damansara Heights, Damansara Utama, Bandar Utama, Bangsar, Bukit Tunku, etc will not drop. Areas like Mont Kiara and KLCC will be the first to be hit in case of a bubble burst due to the glut in high rise developments there. New property launches will also be hit badly if that happens. Thats why i always recommend to stick to subsale rather than new developments at their inflated prices.

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post Jun 21 2011, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 21 2011, 11:19 AM)
personally think that MK will be the worst hit.
KLCC will have demand from both foreign and local alike. in fact i think a lot of ppl already standby their elephant guns perhaps?
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Yes i agree that Mont Kiara will be worst hit. The number of condos there is shocking. Plus more than half of the units are empty. Even property valuators for banks like CIMB and Maybank are giving very conservative pricing for MK condos as they are anticipating a drop. The worst hit in MK would be the newer launches with their exorbidant pricing.
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post Jun 21 2011, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jun 21 2011, 02:33 PM)
i believe the new condo launches in Puchong+BJ+OKR in the last 2-3 years are also in the shocking numbers.
The problem is just moving from MK to other areas...
The new launches will be badly hit as well. Developers are really milking the people by telling them scary stories about price increases etc to force them to purchase at crazy prices well above normal market values.

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post Jun 21 2011, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 21 2011, 03:11 PM)
Most of the time, price won't drop, even drop, only minimal only.
But you may see more difficulty to sell.

People rather hold on the properties instead fire-sale, until last resort, which prevent price dropping.

So high probably is you see more property want to sell, but harder to sell, take longer to sell, instead of price drop.
You may see "for sale" banner for longer time.

Unlike last time, property is snapped up once you put up "for sale".
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In Kiara Park Condo, TTDI low rise units put up for sale are often snapped up within days of the sale notice. Thats how high the demand is.
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post Jun 21 2011, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 21 2011, 03:48 PM)
It still depends on area or location.

Even if property market turn sour in general, there are still location still selling like hot cake.
We cannot conclude property market turn bad time, everything turn bad at same degree.

In Penang, there are location once you put up for sale, you will get at least 5-10 calls from interested buyers, agent later on.
Even your mail box being flooded with name card, stated if interested to sell, please contact xyz.

While some location put banner, advertisement, yet hardly get many interest party after 1-2 months.
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Yes thats wht i meant. Thats why its important to purchase property in the 'correct' locations and not blindly purchase based on heresay.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 21 2011, 03:55 PM)
so is it a good sign if every once in about a month or so, strangers ring my door bell asking whether i interested to sell???
seriously, i've been asked this many times during my stay.
and my mail box constantly have flyers from agents (with clauses saying no need agent's fees)...
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What is the name of your property? I too have similar experiences. Ive got agents saying they can get me RM 800K for my unit (purchased for RM470K in 2009) plus they said i dont need to pay any fees unless they get me that promised price.
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post Jun 22 2011, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 22 2011, 03:31 PM)
My dad said even if properties in Malaysia drop, it wouldn't drop much also.
Thats true. Those expecting some major drop will be disappointed for sure. Even then the most affected will be newly launched condo's in glut areas like KLCC and Mont Kiara.

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post Jun 24 2011, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(22222222 @ Jun 24 2011, 11:38 AM)
Yes......but will be reserve to bumiputera ..... no chance for us.... sad.gif
Forget all these affordable housing projects. These are merely election gimmicks to try and show that we have a caring Gov. Same as all those MACC investigations into high profile corruption cases. All merely eyewash for the elections this year. Charged is one thing. Being convicted and put into jail is a different matter all together.

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QUOTE(dreamadream @ Jun 27 2011, 12:10 PM)
Some of my friends hv already given up on buying although they can afford, but renting is comparatively way cheaper, no points taking unnecessary risk and one of my friends said when the market is corrected, with the same amt of money he could afford better location, better quality prop. just wanna share. smile.gif
That wont happen in prime & matured areas. That is just wishful thinking. I think renting a property is always a waste as only the landlord profits. Anybody choosing to rent while waiting for the market to drop is just wasting their time and their money.

Just imagine this scenario. Say somebody rents an apartment for RM 1500 per month for 2 years hoping for the property prices to stabilise then. In that 2 years, the rental expenditure would have been RM 36,000. That is money out of his pocket and into the pocket of the landlord. But in 2 years time, does he actually think prime area property prices will be RM 36K or more lower??

Prime areas have not dropped in the pricing (generally). In bad times it would stagnate but waiting for a price drop in my opinion is just wishful thinking.

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jun 27 2011, 02:42 PM)
it's either u pay the money to the investor/landlord or u pay the money to the bank.. its just the same.
let say u get a subsale, borrow 350k from the bank. BLR - 2.4 = 4.2%
350k * 4.2% = 14700. [just the interest charged by bank]

apartment RM1500 per month.. its kinda high end..  i read ur comment only realise it..
in my place.. can rent a decent condo liao  smile.gif
Paying a bank is the same as paying landlord??? Why? At the end of the tenure, your landlord gonna give u his house or condo is it? Common la my friend. U pay the bank at least ure paying for something that can become yours.

I meant condo la. Focus on the main point not on a single word. vmad.gif

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post Jun 27 2011, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(dreamadream @ Jun 27 2011, 03:15 PM)
Exactly what my friend said. With the ridiculously high property prices and relatively cheap rental, it is not worth to OWE the bank so much money coz interest rate has bottomed, meaning paying more interest to banks, but rental has been stagnant (if not declining), thanks to many new launchings and many have also jump into the bandwagon leaving the rental segment more competitive.
The only prices which are ridiculous are the prices of the new launches. Prime areas have been growing steadily for the past 10 years. Who asked u to buy new launches? I have always said this and im gonna say it again. FOCUS ON SUBSALE PROPERTIES NOT NEW LAUNCHES.

Buying a property in the right area will get you excellent capital appreciation. So dont be foolish and claim that to avoid paying banks interest so u gonna rent. You will always be renting and u wont have anything at the end of the day. The only person that benefits will be the landlord. Trust me.

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