I am interested to get a landed property in Sg buloh brp. However, would appreciate if can get some feedback from kind forumers who are exisitingly residing at brp area or have more info on the neighbourhood.

Brp is very near to Sri damansara (Sd) & kepong. However, the prices of houses in brp aren't as 'crazy' as sd's or those nearer to desa park city. I am more concerned on it's crime rates & traffic within the area.

Personally, I prefer the area as it is still with greens & not as hectic as kepong menjalara area which already developed rapidly!

No sure about crime rate but very sure the air pollution is very bad. The neighbourhood is surrounded by industries. You better think on long term

Thanks bro for given such important highlight! I will check accordingly

Why not try Saujana Damansara which is much nearer and is just next the Sri Damansara. I have bought one last
year at RM380K. U will regret to invest in Rahmat Putra as very morning u have the expereince the HEAVY TRAFFFIC
FLOW. Think twice

Mind sharing which unit is yours? Am looking at Saujana Damansara area as well for potential purchase.

thanks Bro...

saujana damansara? where isit? ur property is landed property or cond/apartment?

please share...many thanks!

It is double storey terrance house 22x75. Is near Damansara Damai.

How do you think the security & environment is it there? I am contemplating between BRP & SD at the moment, have a few headers on units for sale in both areas.

Traffic is very bad during morning and evening

...and can you share where does it start? I am looking at an unit at BRP 7 and will be travelling between BRP and Ulu Kelang on a daily basis for work if at all I decide to go for the said unit.

I was told d traffic congestion started from brp mcd as early as 7, as parents are sending children to school, there r 2 schools in brp 7.

It jams all d way to the store, and second terrible part is at d damai where all cars coming out from there.

The other let down is those factories next to brp, u can expect big lorries traveling frequent along brp with u
There are BIG factories, not some tiny light industries only.

That's why d condition of their road is bad.

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Added on February 22, 2011, 8:06 amLooking at each of their selling price, u will have answer

Sd definitely is far better neighborhood, in every aspect. It is just right next to LDp, an established residential area, clean air, with all facilities.

If u can afford, pls no need toconsider brp.

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Added on February 22, 2011, 8:08 amIs it after those flats?

Or those medium low cost double story b4 sutera damansara?

D traffic from damai also terrible rite?

This post has been edited by bearbearhong: Feb 22 2011, 08:08 AM

So you're siding Saujana Damansara compared to BRP?

Hi, I'm staying in brp, actually there is a peace land as after come back from work, u can have your dinner around this brp area, no need to go out to kepong area, even got a morning market, is quite convenient, btw the food rate is cheaper than kepong area, even though there is jam, but sd also facing a fantastic jam as well, but u can escape from jam by go to NKVE highway, try to consider....

Mind to share which BRP phase are you in? I'm looking at the 22 x 75 unit at BRP 7. What's the going rate for units there? Its G&G but how are the security in terms of efficiency & work itself?

haha...no, i will vote for SD=Sri Damansara, saujana Damansara is within damansara damai. for me, the later is too congested with population, those flats and apartments just located near to the shoplots...

SD's traffic is heavy, however, u save times from stuck in traffic of Sg Buloh & Damai. i am currently stayed in SD, thinking of getting 2nd Property, but the price is too steep and a bit risky to get a 2nd property of RM600K+ in SD... . imho, it is a well established residential area, it is not as hectic as Kepong Menjalara/DPC area in terms of traffic, population, commercial places (kepong tesco, DPC). SD is more to "pure" residential area" with few add on on shops comes with Bank/restaurant/fastfood etc.

This post has been edited by bearbearhong: Feb 23 2011, 02:48 PM

I think BRP is currently the best place to get a DS terres for <400k with close enough (too close is bad) MRT main station access in future. Any other places along the MRT route would have gone over half a mil now.

For BRP 7, best way to avoid jam is to take the Hospital Sg. Buloh exit/entrance to NKVE, but you have to know the small kampong road that leads to the HSB exit.

BRP is very good for own stay, the only problem is lack of a Chinese school for chinese community, nearest is Kampong Baru Sg Buloh or Kuang. There was a rumor before that Guacoland is offering a free land for the Kuang Chinese school to move there but never a success.

To be honest, I like BRP area too...its kinda cozy with an people'e feeling to it as compared to Saujana Damansara. Is RM450k (recently renovated) a worthwhile price for an 22 x 75 unit at BRP7?

I like BRP too. Last two mths I saw one unit in BRP 7 price around RM350k (20 X70), nice house. I remember someone saying structure in housing areas in BRP 7 are not good. After much thought, then I decided to take the new launch house in Aman Putri.

I was offered a 22x75 BRP7 during 2005 for around 300k, looks like it has increased so much in 5-6 years time.

To be honest I do not like the design of the 22x75 BRP7, the front car porch is too short, just barely the same length of a car. There is no enough room to move around after the car parked inside. Avoid the last row backing railroad for the obvious reason.

I would prefer the 20x70 design next to it for the lower entry price and longer front porch (with the trade off of shorter buildup).

The better 22x75 in BRP7 is the one infront of the secondary school but very limited numbers and hardly see people selling.

The one I like most is the 22x75 at BRP 6 (opposite Mc-D and Sunway RP), the design is good and very wide front road where you can park your car in front and opposite of your house beside the road divider. It was priced at 350k on 2005 and I think it would be 500k now.

How about those units at BRP 7/3?

For 7/3, better get those close to 7/1, far from railroad and you can enjoy the nice tree shaded road along 7/1 and the school.

For security, never heard of robbery but break in stealing was occasionaly heard. I moved out from BRP 3-4 years ago but according to old neighbours there seems like ok and better now.

d one u mentioned must be next to those BRP 7 shop lots, they looked bit older and nearer to industrial area rite?

try squeeze the price lower to RM420k? i think those nearer to the store can fetch higher price, like BRP 1-5..BRP 7 is quite deep in.

I have seen 20x70 units, but some also mentioned about the structure of the building...

anyone have info about houses inside/next to BRP club? RM600K+ ?

The ones I meant at BRP 7 is the BRP 7/3 units, its very close to the new Tiara Puteri units - which is costing upto RM900k!!!!

The RM600k units you mentioned above - Do you mean the Ascott Hill units? Those are really nice houses. Big opening & spacious....

7/3 i think is those opposite/next to the secondary school.

Tiara Puteri Semi D RM900k yummy yummy , but if u notice, there is a piping factory/warehouse before those semi D

7/1 is only going for RM370K+, 20x70...

I am not sure of ascott hill, but seen in iproperty, RM600K+ double storey house situated jes next to the golf club.

Tiara Puteri is kinda over-priced judging by the fact that its facing an empty (rubbish dumping area) & a small factory.

Ascott Hill is really nice if you ask me....

I do not recommend Ascot hill. There are still developer units available few years after completion. Reason is bad fengshui, very deep down the slope and too close to golf club. Living too near to golf turf is bad for health when they spray those weedkiller and fertiliser.

Tiara puteri is not a good choice, bad location and lousy interior, most of the interior is made of very thin stainless steel. For 900k, i rather take 7/1 corner and reno nicely.

What is the recommendable going price for Ascott Hill now? I remember a friend of mine telling me that the developer price was like RM350k when first launched but based on my survey, I see the prices going as high as RM600K+++ even tho there are ample of empty units there.

hey Bro, how's ur survey of BRP properties?

is Ascot hill not recommended? RM600K+ for a 32x60 semi D, pretty worthwhile, as compared to those Sri Damansara double storey intermediate calling for RM650k

any1 any idea how much a corner unit of BRP 7 double storey can fetch? probably around 35x70....

The latest offer that was tabled to me was RM500K for BRP 7/3 intermediate unit with extensive renovations.

U may wan to check out there is one advertised rm430k, brp 7 too... In mudah. Looks pretty well maintained & renovated.

It was rm350k-rm400k in January... -.-"

Yup, saw that advert but its the 20 x 70 unit. I'm looking at the 22 x 75 units

but those 22x75 BRP 7 is quite close to railroad & TNB station, and nearer to industrial area. dont u think so? i am seen a corner unit, which is quite near to the rail road, but yet to get the price from owner, thinking should i consider it

been to acot hill last weekend, it wasnt as bad as it thought, in fact, imho,there is clear air, quite neighbourhood provided ur unit is not those closer to the main road which is higher then the area. Strange design of ascot hill is, there is no backlane for each unit.

anyone has any other suggestion?

I'm beginning to like Ascot Hill as well but what is an stopping gap for me is how much the price as jumped within just a few years. I remember the intermediate units were going for like RM380k++ just a few years ago and now its hitting RM630k++ already. My worry point is if this would be the peak of its price curve.

well, something i read from the star shakened my preference over ascot after lunch..

10/3 a reader who stay in ascot hill sending a complain highlighting pollution at Sg buloh during nite time, smell of chemical/plastic burning etc...

try check it out bro, the star 10/3. if there is the case, think twice...

i am not worried of the price appreciation or stagnant, i am confident it will be a value asset for my next generation, provided it is not affected by pollution as claimed.

This post has been edited by bearbearhong: Mar 14 2011, 02:43 PM

Thanks for the heads up...will look into it. Anyways, where are you looking for your property?

anywhere around Kepong/sri damansara/Sg Buloh, the first 2 i have almost giving up, as the value has gone pretty far from the value recognised by most banks.

got few choices of RM600k+ for SD, but just find it is not worth the price paying.

gone to Sg Buloh, prefer those area before BRP 7/3, it is not so "developed' like kepong, price of food are almost 10% cheaper

i am still considering if getting Ascot hill too "ambitious", hahaha...bigger house for small family, or just a unit in BRP 7 will do. at all, i am also concerned on the traffic in the morning to get out from Sg Buloh...

Agreed...the first 2 of your choice is also mine but I've already given up on it as the prices are soaring sky high. Believe it or not I saw one property for sale. Very very basic unit at Taman Ehsan, 1-sty Leasehold with I think almost 30years+ Lease lapsed asking for RM330k. I think that property need to spend a minimum RM50k+++ to renovate just to move in. Atrocious I tell you....

Was very close in putting an booking deposit for an Armanee Condominium corner unit but decided not to after reading some feedbacks from their own residents on their website.

At the moment, still continuing with the hunt.

sound like we are in the same boat....

prices of Tmn Ehsan Property should be more reasonable then other area of Kepong, i have seen some 1st storey unit putting up for RM260k-270k... gosh, those were sold at RM20k+ when i was an infant...

is it ur first Property? if so, i strongly recommend u to go for landed property, as ppl said, 'there will be no re-production of land anymore' and high rise property erected in master title/strata title, i have seen more problems, be it from management or the issuance of strata title etc.

I have even gone to aman putri to survey, just find it too deep and price isnt attractive to accomodate the location and travelling required. top up more and u can get a unit in BRP which save 20min of drive and an estabilshed neighbourhood.

aman putri is too deep and the road over is super jam with those traffic light .
BRP 7 is guarded communities right when i by pass there there always block the main road, seem a good choice

I went to the Aman putri site as well, agree to Hoilok.

Yup...those Taman Ehsan houses were indeed around that price. Well to be honest, if you have an big 5-6 figure cash in hand just for the renovation then the Tmn Ehsan houses are worth for. I've some wonderful renovation works done.

Yup, its going to be my 1st purchased property tho it'll be my 3rd property (I have 2 landed properties that was passed down to me by my parents).

At the moment, BRP seems an viable option tho the prices are slowly going up. Need to act fast

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Added on March 15, 2011, 11:43 amYup, BRP 7 is fully guarded by individual lanes.

This post has been edited by Xai-V-iaX: Mar 15 2011, 11:43 AM

bro xai, 3rd property liao wo! hmmm...me still thinking and planning of necessary to get 2nd property, as was told by banker moment ago, expect BLR to go up to 7%....

been thinking to get a 2 storey landed house since end 2008, and missed a lot of good deals (at that time, thinking price was ridiculous, but now... )

We're sailing in the same boat mate....I've been in the property market since 2008 as well, hunting on landed properties and have missed a considerable amount thinking that the price was ridiculous at that time too.

My BIGGEST & most REGRETTED miss was Adora Courtyard Terrace @ Desa Park City. Launch price during 2004/2005 was RM398k only....now going for RM1m upwards.

Ascot Hill, chemical/burning?? Are you sure? I have been in living at Ascot Hill for close to three years now and I hardly can smell chemical .. and there was once a burning smell but then again, I believe there was fire somewhere nearby.

I don't know much about fengshui but majority of the residents are Chinese. Malays and Indians can be counted by hands.

Price wise, I've got the last unit which was offered at below RM400K, this one is the phase one unit. I don't think there is any developer unit available.. not that I know off when looking for a unit here though. Not that many units are on sale right now, surely none in my row.. but I believe there are at least few units available for sub-sale.

I guess this is the one that mentioned in the star:

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...15050&sec=focus

Somehow, I don't really smell anything funny...

And about the jam people are talking about.. they're manageable, you'll not get stuck for more than 10 minutes at the BRP main road on normal condition (i.e. no accident etc.). My wife is commuting from BRP - Wangsa Maju - Gombak everyday and she usually take around 30-45 minutes to reach Wangsa Maju, she hits the road usually around 7-7:15am.

This post has been edited by wiraone: Mar 15 2011, 11:06 PM

hahah...calm down bro, u r not alone. I was there during first few launches of DPC, even in 2006 -2007, i urged my sibling to grab a unit there at RM600k, but none accepted the price at that time. anyway, those were the days, dont look back in regret, we are blessed as we are already having shelter then those still struggling to hunt for their first property.

well, imho, market prices are high, but not all transacted price are what the agent been advertised. i am not sure how long more the "seller's market" will stay on, but i believe, it may end soon....

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Added on March 15, 2011, 11:11 pmthanks Bro for sharing those valuable input, may i know how's the morning traffic getting out from BRP? and what is the monthly maintenance paid?

do u have BRP club membership?

This post has been edited by bearbearhong: Mar 15 2011, 11:11 PM

Yea, how's the traffic from Ascot Hill area heading towards MRR2?

Morning traffic is okay as long as no accident happens on the road. As per my post above, my wife usually take around 30-45minutes to reach Wangsa Maju using MRR2 in the morning but she usually take the DUKE driving back since there always major traffic jam at the MRR2/LDP bridge.

Maintenance for Ascot Hill is RM80/month, security is quite good, the guards usually make their rounds every hour or so. At night, there is a guard with a shortgun doing his round.

Most of the residential areas in BRP are closed and guarded except for BRP7. It seems that BRP7 devided into 3 areas. Since there is a secondary school there, they couldn't just simply close the roads to the public.

And nope, don't have Rahman Putra membership, the transfer fees is killing as I was told.

This post has been edited by wiraone: Mar 15 2011, 11:50 PM

...and I need to use the same path to work on a daily basis as well (if at all I get the Ascot Hill unit). BRP - Ulu Kelang - BRP for work.

I was from Ulu Klang, moved here in 2008 and still have a house there. Visited this subforum to look if anyone want to letgo/discuss about any apartment/condo for sale around that area and found this thread about BRP

LoLz.....hope to hear from you soon bro...maybe we can end up being neighbors soon

May you welcome another fellow boat passenger, Me
Xai-V-iaX & BearBearHong: Have you managed to get any good offer yet @ BRP? I'm survey this area too ... can't be more agree to most of your views of the market .. sad to me ... hunting 1st property ...

Still Hunting...! ! !

still hunting...but quite frustrated already...feel like giving up!

by the way, i found there is one 22x75 in BRP up for auction, Bro xai, are u muslim? if so, u may wan to consider it, nice & quiet enviroment, but there is a construction of surau across the road.

Nope, I'm not MUSLIM and not looking at buying a house in-front of an surau - no disrespect but I doubt I can't bear with the fact that they will play the loud prayer song 5 times a day right infront of my 'would be' house.

true, some of my muslim frens also opt out such enviroment.

AGREED....how's your hunting going?

tiring and not fruitful

imho, currently it is a seller market for property in kepong/SD/sg buloh, they are so confident in the vlaue of their Property, arrogant, as if their house are made of gold

i have fren who jes got a end lot unit in Sutera Damansara for RM700K, pretty good workmanship and the developer OSK is going to launch 3rd phase estimated RM670k for intermediate...still thinking which area i should get a double storey.

i also looking around sg buloh, ascot hill etc, but it seems like brp not so many offers. Bro Xai, any recommendations? As for Ascot hill, i read there are 2-3 phases, some 2 1/2 storey, some 3 storey. personally i prefer BRP 1 as neared to exit out from BRP and further from industrial area.

I was offered a corner unit in BRP 7 by a fren, but the property just situated +-500m from railroad...

ASCOT HILL asking RM650k++ and above. I called one agent and he said the owner asking for RM685k but not in hurry to sell because want to wait for the price to go above RM700k...!!! WTF!!!

What's your budget?

see, those agents and sellers think highly on the market... i remembered warren buffett said something like,"when everyone is optimistic over the market, that should be time you are to be cautious, whereas if everyone is sceptical , that may be time you should venture into the market.." So, where are we now? optimistic?

For me, not really a urgent hunt, as i dont like to be "threatened" by current trend and most of them are not so attractive, lousy condition of Property expecting premium price

my budget...it was set at RM400k sometimes ago, then up to RM500k, but now Rm600k+. of course the lower the better lar..

Bro, what abour ur "journey" in hunting ur 3rd Property?

Similar to you - I'm not looking to be held ransom by the owners & agents. If they are so adamant with the price, I'll just withdraw my interest.

Have done so with a few properties already - Owners/Agents push me too much to complete the deal at Premium price and I decline to proceed. After a while, they come calling again to see if I am interested.

bro xai & bbh, looks like gettin a good deal near brp is not an easy mission .. i saw some brp unit 400k-500k on iproperty .. hav not call yet ... not sure how's the condition of the units ...

That's the thing - everyone is overpricing their units...

do u know the bank value for unit in brp? gotta find that out before visiting the units ... at least i would hav a baseline ...

I have indeed checked with a couple of banks on this. The BRP 7, 22 x 75 is valued at around RM440k (considering an approx figure of RM50k worth renovations done). As for the Ascot Hill, the basic unit is valued at RM550k

Bro, hardly we can find "good" deal in property market now especially around Kepong/Sg Buloh.

I think Cheras area still can get some reasonable priced Property, but of course location.location....

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Added on March 24, 2011, 10:11 amgosh...Rm550K+ for ascot hill, yet owner thinking RM680K is below market , now even Bank's valuer cant chase the price in market.

i remembered there is 1 unit of 20x70 in brp 7, asking for RM430k ...cis...

This post has been edited by bearbearhong: Mar 24 2011, 10:11 AM

Yup, even the Valuer told me that the asking price is way too high. Bank valuation won't lie ma...BRP 7 the 22 x 75 unit is valued at around RM380K+ only but considering the unit I requested to be valued had renovations done for about RM50k thus the valuation stated at RM440k.

So go figure how much the valuation for the BRP 7 20 x 70 asking for RM430k will be like? Maybe only RM350k max, so still have to fork out about RM80k for D/P. RM80k can pay D/P for new house already ma...correct or not?

Bear, have you checked out units at Wangsa Permai near Desa Aman Puri @ Kepong? Not bad the houses there. Fully gated & guarded. Very near to shops & small supermarket. I viewed one unit there last year - asking for RM350k (Nego) but the house condition terrible la. Have to redo the whole house if want to stay and also the house like on downhill so if rain will be a problem later. Maybe thats why the asking price is low.

Sometimes, i just wish bubbles popping from those greedy owner's head burst and blown out loud...hahaha...

by the way, the wangsa permai area i dun favour. you may wan to do some research pertaining to the traffic flow.

as far as i know, there is only 2 entrance/exit into the taman which consists landed and few blocks of aprtment & condo. one is before the shell station with McD at Desa aman puri, i happened to pass by that area few times around 7-8pm, traffic is pretty congested at the traffic light before the turning into WP. i dun really like the narrow 2 lanes road leading into that area. the other entrance/exit would be nearer to KIP which i am not sure how's the traffic flow.

i have seen some putting up for sales RM400k++

Ya, I got to agree with you on the traffic part but its actually not that bad. Just depends on the timing. But the problem is that many of the Kepongites uses that road leading towards WP as an alternative to get to the LDP inter-change thus causing the long traffic. Heck, even I use that way to bypass the crawl from Kepong, Menjalara & MRR2 to head towards LDP at times...LoLz

Valuers are always below market price a bit. They based on past transaction.
If property price go up, sure they are one step behind lor.

Last year I check one of the units in BRP 1, 20x75 built up i think only 16xxsq. Design old, Condition old, selling at 330k. =_=". End up buy Taman Sri Putra Mas. Overprice liao BRP. With the MRT announce, lagi worst.

Hi Des, welcome to this thread and thanks for ur sharings.

By the way, may i know where exactly Tmn Sri Putra mas? is it going thru those BRP industrial area? If not mistaken Sri putra still can get RM300K+ or lesser then that for subsale?

Sri putra mas Next to the sri putra. Yes for sri putra still can get 300k, not gated. Did survey there, not to my liking. Believe this, some sri putra people sell and move here (sri putra mas). Lol.

This post has been edited by DE.si.MON: Mar 25 2011, 08:51 PM

Market price is only price putting up by owners/agent. Only transacted price evidenced the property sold.

Of cos valuer is doing the right things to check on transacted price rather those calling price. Most of the prices agent/owner compared each other offering price, when some1 dream big putting higher price, of cos the rest will follow. That's why we consumer need valuer to balance the market.

just went to check out a unit at brp7, asking price 490k ... damn overpriced ... i hav a fren living just opposite road he said bank valuer 2 weeks ago only giv him like 350k ...

There you have it ladies & gentlemen - Proof that the valuation price is the actual price of the units - of course we can give or take a certain percentage for renovation & location.

what kind of fancy renovation the owner had put on a 70x20 double story can cost 140k? From the outside of the unit i don't see major renovation ... of course have to take into consideration the agent fee that has been added in ...

Note my point -'a certain percentage'. I was NOT agreeing to your statement that the price is acceptable. Agent fee is usually 2% of the sale price...

ha ha ha .. i tot somehow u bang ur head and agree with the 490 price tag ... how's ur hunting recently ? i'm thinking 380k-400k maybe an acceptable price with reasonable renovation in brp

Nah...I wouldn't agree to anything at the RM500k range for BRP unless its an corner unit with extensive renovation. Those who are asking for RM450K and above are just pushing their luck to far.

Hunting is going on fine...still in the hunt tho...

hi bro, any idea how much a coner unit in BRP 7/3 can fetch? i think that unit my fren's owned may be around 40x75...but it is just quite near to railroad, else i may consider...

how much your friend is asking for it?

Nvr talk about price, he said discuss it only if I am interested

I remembered a friend telling me that a corner unit at BRP 7/3 was sold for about RM500k just towards the end of the year...

I think BRP future potential is good,

1. FREEHOLD. You cannot find anymore freehold properties in the centre of possibly one of the hottest and fastest future development area IF the MRT project materialised.
2. Lots of landbank surrounded BRP area. Future development will just drive the price higher.
3. easy access to KL, PJ, Subang with highways.
4. Very mature township with government and private hospital nearby, Tesco is comiong soon, schools already there, even international school at nearby SieraMas, 2 golf courses nearby.......
5. no doubt price is up but still not until @#%$#%^$& level like some area in KV.

Overall, It is a good place to stay and work.

This post has been edited by KLsooner: Mar 28 2011, 10:46 AM

hi bro, referring to the highlighted sentence, where will the tesco be located?

and the negative point for brp is those industrial area , and traffic where one can always see those big lorries travelling in and out BRP roads.

Not sure if that building is for Tesco or not.

The location is just before coming in the BRP/The Store.

Is at those new shop units (was glass factory) along the Sungai Buloh road. TSB Sungai Buloh, Developer Dijaya.

thanks bro for the info. i dun think any sane owner will put it up for RM500k now.

but it is just too close to railroad and industrial area. so, not my cup of tea.

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Added on March 28, 2011, 4:53 pmthanks Desimon

i was just wondering can Tesco really cope with another store so close to its kepong and mutiara damansara's. even the existing one in Kepong doesnt seem to have good business...



This post has been edited by bearbearhong: Mar 28 2011, 04:53 PM

I gotta disagree on the TESCO @ Kepong Village not doing well....from what I have observed - its always packed. Most of the people around the Menjalara, DPC, Segambut & Sri Sinar prefers to go there. Well, I do my grocery shopping at that TESCO all the time. Its pretty packed there...

isit? then may be those times i was there just coincidences lesser crowd.

Carefour, Giant, Tesco, Jusco anything also can lar. As long got something to shop. LOL.

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This post has been edited by Hamsom: Apr 18 2011, 02:47 PM

post removed. will post in correct thread. thanks for info.

This post has been edited by Hamsom: Apr 18 2011, 02:45 PM

Maybe you should try posting this in CLASSIFIEDS compared to PROPERTY TALK as people who commute these threads usually discuss on the topic headers as compared to having a BUY/SELL discussion...