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post Apr 7 2011, 04:29 PM

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Pehkey, thanks for the detailed explaination, it really enlightens me, pretty much. smile.gif

Anyway, well, I just come in here to post a question. I stumbled at this forum http://www.lawyerment.com.my/boards/topic-...vorce_Law-0.htm

Can someone tell me, or share with me:
1. if these men are predestined to betray their wives, why would God still marry them and their wives in the first place?

2. Would God restore the broken marriages if the wives seek help from God?
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post Apr 7 2011, 05:00 PM

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Isn't it pathetic then? God wants us to extend every single request to Him, God says He knows what we want, pray and believe you have received, and it will be given to you, in the end He sends us the wrong person that betrays us and make us broke down in despair.

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post Apr 7 2011, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 7 2011, 10:05 PM)
Well, not that bad. I mean, come on...God manifested as a human, got broken into pieces, nailed too. Even more despair. You wanna try?
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If He has paid the debt on our behalf, then why can't He blesses each person who sincerely and genuinely ask for a committed spouse?

Why some have long lasting loving marriage life but some do not?

Why some good christians suffers even though they truly seek guidance beforehand?

I was once thought like "It's not that bad, just move on, etc" but when things really happen on you, you just can't tell yourselves what you ever thought.

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post Apr 8 2011, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(Pinarello @ Apr 7 2011, 11:16 PM)
The other obstacle is the devil aka Mr S.A.Tan who just wants to steal kill and destroy lives. Thats obstacle no.2
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The one who steal, kill and destroy is not Satan. Read the whole chapter of it and you will see. At first I also thought the same but it actually is not. smile.gif
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post Apr 8 2011, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Apr 7 2011, 11:31 PM)
spouse problem?? and you hoping god would actually gives a response?

its kindda absurd dont you agree considering how many ppl around the globe suffered more serious problems,.. famine, deceases etc that leads death to some of the love 1. and now you having problem with god because of some relationship problem?
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No. I don't think this is absurd to consider betraying spouse is hurtful. When you actually sacrifice yourselves, time, efforts, you genuinely work on it for so many years but in the end he betrays you.
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post Apr 8 2011, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Apr 8 2011, 07:29 AM)
You don't need to be sad to have happiness. You NEED to understand what "SAD"/SADNESS really means, to know what it means to be happy.

Go ahead. Blame God all you want to. But know that regardless of how much you blame Him, He still continues to give you.

How can you turn your back on him on that particular time? You think it's His fault?
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I know your reply doesn't refer to me but I would like to share my view.

I never blame God for what had happened to me, big problem or small problem. All I do is through prayer, move His hand to restore things to be better.

The thing is when things don't turn out after you have put your faith in, but more and more problems coming out, you might wonder if it's God's will, and you might wonder if your prayers are not pleasing, or something wrong with your prayers. And whenever you see your christian fellows, or even non-christians, getting what they want, you might want to do something and ask from God giving you the same. Please take note, things that I refer to now is not straight As in SPM or STPM or CGPA or entering which top Uni or big company, I'm merely asking for a simple family. That's all.

If you did trace back the post I shared a little bit earlier on, check out the website and see how many women out there, faithfully and genuinely loving their husbands, having intimate relationship since their dating stage but out of a sudden, after 5 years of marriage, their husbands have affair with another women, some husbands even shifted out and left the children behind.

If this husband is predestined to betray the wife, why would God allows them to get married? Have you seen people who face too much of stress and disappointments and in the end they cry fainted and go insane?

I would rather my life go simple, than to have a very blessed and wonderful beginning but in the end huge disappointment, like a huge rock drops on your body.

The higher you have faith in something, the painful you feel. Some people who are proud and stubborn, little bit of failure will boost up their motivation to grow, but to those who are having simple life all along, these disappointments are just too much for them to bear, which is not helpful in moulding a person's life.
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post Apr 8 2011, 07:49 PM

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Hi pehkay, I have finished reading your essay and understood it.

Would you like to answer my questions as stated above? wink.gif
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post Apr 8 2011, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Apr 8 2011, 09:33 PM)
There's your answer:
If you do this TRULY, with all your heart, mind, strength, and soul, you won't even need to ask your questions here. It is painful sometimes because God does not answer you like a human being, but bear in mind, the pain was not GIVEN, it is ALLOWED, so that we UNDERSTOOD the WISDOM behind it, pain is NOTHING.
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I know. But the prayers are not answered nor given. Whenever someone told me He answers prayers, and share me their testimonies, I believe with no doubt, but never would I believe the same would happen to me. I prayed, prayed, waited and prayed; I had hope, faith, patience to wait but in the end I only had disappointment.
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post Apr 9 2011, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Apr 9 2011, 01:28 PM)
To debbieyss:
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Sorry, if I "bypassed" your question biggrin.gif ...... note that in my sharing, my goal to help you to see higher, deeper truth concerning God's purpose than to deal with these questions directly. Usually, if we have spiritual light to see God's purpose,  these questions will become er... irrelevant .... Well, to address the matter of human marriage ... we need to see it is a shadow of what is in God's heart.
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hi pehkay, thanks for the lengthy reply. I read it, but still, it seems like not answering my question tongue.gif

The question i ask is not how heavily or lightly we should treat a marriage. I'm asking:
1. If the man is predestined to betray, why would God allows the couple to get married?
2. If the husband betrays, can the wife do anything to patch things up?

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post Apr 9 2011, 02:17 PM

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Seeing Christ as the only hope in my life, I just want to know if there is anything I can do through Him to get things go smoothly.

If you are to ask me to accept whatever problems happen to me, then might as well I believe in Buddha or other gods, they also teach the same thing - accept the problems.
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post Apr 10 2011, 06:17 PM

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Hi pehkay, my questions are not answered... wink.gif

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 9 2011, 02:14 PM)
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hi pehkay, thanks for the lengthy reply. I read it, but still, it seems like not answering my question  tongue.gif

The question i ask is not how heavily or lightly we should treat a marriage. I'm asking:
1. If the man is predestined to betray, why would God allows the couple to get married?
2. If the husband betrays, can the wife do anything to patch things up?
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Pinarello, thanks for your comments but I am afraid it's not convincing to me, and all the "solutions" or "preventions" you suggested are too "theory" to me.
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post Apr 11 2011, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(AlphaDoggie @ Apr 10 2011, 08:07 PM)
Dear Debbie,

I'm sorry to hear that the people around you or news that you may have heard,
particularly man are being unfaithful to their loving wives. But that does not mean
all man are like that. And that does not necessary means that it will happen to you. smile.gif

You said 1. If the man is predestined to betray, why would God allows the couple to get married?
But what does the Word of God says? In Matt 19:6,
So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

The verse states that it is not the intention of God Himself the separation of the husband and his wife.
Therefore, a man is not predestined to betray his wife, but the Bible calls us in Colossians 3:19,
Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them.

(Note that in verse 18, it says 18 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.)

Yes, if the husband is notti or betrays his wife, let not the wife turn away from him. Yes, it really
hurts, but let us learn to forgive, even in that situation. No, I'm not saying this b'coz I'm a man,
but based on what is said in Matt 19:6, let us not separate it.
That does not also give the excuse to man to fool around, but
to repent of his ways, and learn to embrace his wife again.

Hope this helps smile.gif
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Apr 10 2011, 09:26 PM)
Of course ... biggrin.gif ... it was never to answer your question ....

It is to bring you out of your present human situation and to look from God's perspective of His heart pleasure.

Int the end, God will use everything from our friends, boss, family, husband, wife, environment, sufferings etc just to gain you to be a matured son of God in the divine life. Everything is in the Father's hand.

Jacob was like that. Paul was too. And many more in front of us.

It is evident that Job and his friends did not see the positive aspect of God's economy in dealing with His holy people. That is, God wants to strip, not to judge, His holy ones that He might gain them so that they might gain Him more.

Job's friends thought that what he was suffering was a matter of God's judgment. However, Job's sufferings were not God's judgment but God's stripping. The Sabeans took away Job's oxen and donkeys, the "fire of God" devoured his sheep, the Chaldeans took his camels, and a great wind caused the death of his sons and daughters (Job 1:13-19). All these things were God's stripping, but Job and his friends regarded them as God's judgment. Throughout the centuries, many readers of the book of Job have had the same concept, thinking that Job suffered because of God's judgment.

Have you ever had the thought that quite often God does something to strip you? Even though you may not be wrong, suddenly certain things happen to you, and God uses these things to strip you. It is through His stripping that God dispenses Himself to those who love Him and seek after Him. Job lost all that he had, but ultimately he gained God Himself. God stripped his all in order that He could be his all for his full transformation and conformation to the glorious image of God in His Son (Rom. 8:29). Job and his friends did not have the adequate revelation of the divine truths. As godly men, they expressed their sentiments within the limits of the revelation they had received.

And you still want to be a Christian tongue.gif? (joking) The goal is too glorious. Sometimes, I don't like to share this aspect ... THERE are LOT MORE positive things in the Bible e.g. God's dispensing, His riches, His living in us, His one with us, etc ...
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QUOTE(iamwho @ Apr 11 2011, 11:32 AM)
Hi debbieyss ... based on your comments, i think you already have the preconceived answers / thoughts to your questions that blinded you from God's answers to you which are included in pehkay's comments to you ...  You have to remove that layer of thoughts and the "self" in your .. in order to feel God's presence.

sorry if I sounded a bit harsh ... but from what I see, you just want to have things your way and not God's ways... and that is why God has been silent to all your prayers ... God has said in His word that “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD (Isaiah 55:8) ... also, "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; n all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight (Proverbs 3:5-6).

If you could just seek HIM and not yourself, you will see God's miracles work in your slowly and the joy you feel from this which transcends all understanding.

Stop rambling about why God didn't work things out for you .. God does now owe us anything. Instead, we owe Him our love and trust for He has sent His only begotten Son Jesus to die for us on that cross - remember this and not forget this covenant you have embraced when you accept His salvation ...  this is not our world .. it is only our temporary home ... whatever happens in this world will not last ... our hope and future is in the Lord and His heavenly kingdom and we out to live towards that ... pray that you will think less of yourself and this world and think more of Him and His kingdom .. in whatever ways, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ (Luke 10:27).
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Thanks for all 3 of you who have spent time in clearing my doubts.

iamwho, you are right, I have certain preconceived answers in my mind, I dare not to cling to my own answer because I am not sure about the justification God has for one's salvation. "Heaven is so real" influenced my spiritual life very badly, and terribly, I couldn't help myself to draw nearer to God. Pastor PHilip Mantofa's sermon about visiting hell made a great negative impact in my life, to date I'd still have phobia in doing things, making decision. Somehow I lost the sense of conscience to live my daily life. I am quite lost. If these 2 devoted christians are so devoted, they wouldn't be deceiving any of us in their book and sermon; if I do not trust their testimonies, I couldn't take the responsibility that fall into hell in the end.

Indeed, the Jesus whom I first knew many years ago, is so different from what these devoted christians are telling. I know I have been repeating the same again and again, but I just couldn't help myself not repeating it. Because of these 2 testi, I have messed up my life to certain level.

QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 11 2011, 10:51 PM)
why do you have to pray for debbie? its his right to believe or not believe. why must you force your religion on others?
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Do you have any unsaved loved one? I have. None of my family members are saved, I will continue to pray for their salvation. Some of them are once saved, but now lost the faith, I will still pray for them. I thought you are so GOD-FEARING that you afraid you are not compassionate enough like Jesus does?

Another thing, asking question is far better than not asking. Ask question because you are struggling to know, ask question because you want to know more. Get it?
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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 9 2011, 02:22 PM)
you best be trollan boi. there is only one lord our saviour jesus christ
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You read my words, but you don't read my meaning.

Have I ever said I don't confess that Jesus is the only God? I'm asking for clarifications to clear my doubts, not that I don't believe He is the one true God.

I can't believe blindly, that's why I'm seeking for answers.
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Apr 10 2011, 09:26 PM)
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And you still want to be a Christian tongue.gif? (joking) The goal is too glorious. Sometimes, I don't like to share this aspect ... THERE are LOT MORE positive things in the Bible e.g. God's dispensing, His riches, His living in us, His one with us, etc ...
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I ever thought of giving up my faith, to be honest.

There are just too many doubts and questions I have in my mind, for example why my colleague's mother-in-law was not saved when she died? My colleague's husband and her brother-in-law are christians also; A guest pastor who gave a sermon in one of the churches I visited not long ago, she and her husband attend the same church, her husband then in loves with a lady from this church and then he divorce this pastor and marry the lady, somemore the husband brings all his children and leave the pastor, now staying with this lady churchmate....etc...Many life examples come to me and I just can't believe that there is no revival or changes in these people's life, even though they hold faith to the God of universe.

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pehkay, thanks for your patience in answering my question.

My main question to ask is this: Can a christian who by his singular faith, through his faith in God and through his consistent prayer to God, turn the life problems to be good?

If yes, then all these life problems are nothing to him, because he can always turn to God and pray about that and patiently see how God changes all these troubles into blessing and live a blessed life.

If not, how to turn things to be better? If Jesus is the only one who can intercede on our behalf, if He is the one true God who is always in control of everything but we don't see things change even after many eager and consistent prayers, what's the point?

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pehkay, I have finished reading your replies.

I need some times to digest it. Thansk a lot~ smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jellymaker @ Apr 14 2011, 09:50 PM)
Let me try,

A teacher have a game with the kindergarden students, It is a team game. so, the kids find their best friend to partner with. Everyone find a good partner so that they have a higher chance in winning the game. And they make a lot of noise.
The teacher can't tolerate the noise. It is a word puzzle game, and those best grade student is in one team, and the other team will have those naughty student together. It is imbalance. The teacher then manually change and set a new partner for them.
Of course the kids dislike it, but they make no noise. The game continued and it turn out to be a fair game. The kids make new friend, and they help one another. The teacher is happy with the result.

can?
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So you are saying it's God that seperates men and divorce each loving couple?
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QUOTE(Jellymaker @ Apr 14 2011, 11:01 PM)
I *think he still reserve the right to do so.
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And He will punish those whom He divorce and separates?


Added on April 14, 2011, 11:16 pmAnd this is God of peace?

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QUOTE(thken @ Apr 14 2011, 11:59 PM)
but it still comes from our consequences right? He doesnt makes people divorce

couple are those who make themselves divorce, if the couple divorce, its God's plan. but if the couple manage to hold on, its still God's plan right?

but thinking back, this is a lil bit unfair to us la as a human being, sometimes is out of control, maybe due to 3rd party or other reason
thats why jesus was meant for us, He didnt died for justice, but to save us

my 2 cent only
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QUOTE(Jellymaker @ Apr 15 2011, 12:01 AM)
Did He say that? I do a search already. He won't punish the woman.

-Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”  matthew 19

same goes as Mark 10.
man hearts were hard, and they do their own way. not woman's fault, not God's fault
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Thanks for both of you replying my post. But still, it's unfair and painful to the women.
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 15 2011, 09:19 AM)
I never went to penang wor  unsure.gif
When Eve contemplated the goodness of the forbidden fruit, and gave it to Adam inspite of God's orders, its plainly unfair for God to blame Adam  laugh.gif

eh, when woman cheats, divorces the husband and get half his assets, dont u think its painful for man too?
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So like the lady tempted the man, the man should stand firm and not to be tempted right? Same case to Adam and Eve, Adam should stand firm.

Yes, I do think it's painful for man, too. But I try to deal by case to case basis now. And we have to see what's the reason the women cheat. Anyway, this is not the dicussion topic here... wink.gif

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