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debbieyss
post May 20 2011, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ May 20 2011, 04:15 PM)
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However, concerning the resurrection of Christ Acts says that His spirit and soul were not abandoned to Hades, showing us that after the Lord died, His spirit and soul went to Hades. The Lord Jesus clearly told the robber, “Today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” Paradise is a section of Hades. From Genesis to Acts we are told that the spirits and souls of all the saved ones throughout the generations go to a place of rest in Hades after death. This place is the Paradise in Hades.
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The bolded part is contradicting. Typo? tongue.gif

debbieyss
post Jun 10 2011, 08:50 AM

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@pehkay, i have some christian friends whose parents passed away without being saved.

You know what I'm trying to ask? Would there be any possibility for these parents to be saved anyway?
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post Jun 10 2011, 03:04 PM

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Isn't Acts 16:31 says "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."??
If what you say is correct, that means no matter what promises God has given in the bible, there are 'terms and conditions', God has exceptional cases not to keep the promises??? I was told God has never failed to keep His promises????

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post Jun 10 2011, 08:36 PM

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@pehkay, I share you few real life testi:

1. My best friend, who is a christian, having a mother who had just recovered from cancer. My best friend has not been praying earnestly for her mother's salvation, not just that, she even 'show interest in females' and not opposite sex/males, that, her mother had accepted Christ in the beginning stage of the recovery.

2. Another friend who had accepted Christ when she was a teen and that she seldom prays for her family, even committed pre-marital sex. In the end, her family members were saved, attending church regularly.

Base on the 2 real life examples here, I just find you have over-analyzed God's way in saving a household, it's simply too theoretical, which is not what I have expected. I am disappointed that when someone is already so hopeless and helpless, he is required to drain himself to have faith in God. So, this time I am not able to agree with what you have analyzed. But I do appreciate your kindness and patience in replying my questions. smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2011, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jun 10 2011, 04:19 PM)
@ debbieyss you're confused. you can't take the verse out of the context and try to fit it to your lesson.

short version ; each of us is judged as we lived. an unbeliever is one who hears the Gospel and refuses it. repeatedly.

God never fails to keep his promises, including this one "The wages of sin is death" ... how about that?
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Thanks for replying but my questions are not answered, you don't get my point.

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