Hi Morning.

lol, somehow I knew, the direction you're heading will be more or less like this.

And I thought you should know by now, there will never be an ending to arguments just RWI in Believers vs Non Believers.

And to what purpose? Both side will not budge, no matter how persuasive you are.
Sceptics will not budge because they hang on whose arguments makes more sense and believers will not budge because they hang on the real experiences they went through. lol, that is forum life.

I've done my share of Intelligent creation vs <insert whatever>. No longer interested in it. It's a waste of time for me.

For sceptics, there will always be no end to scrutiny. After this complete scan, there will always be a restless where else do I need for a scan to exhaust all possibilities. Know what I mean?

And of course the end result will be doubt in this context of Christianity for a simple reason. Scepticism have no ability to believe. I mean duh, it's kinda captain obvious.

God did not designed for people to be convinced through arguments, bro.

It must be experience.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

and experience, I did. So has many of the billions of believers of Christ.

I am more than convince God is real and the Bible is his words because I took that step of Faith in the beginning and the reality of the Christian life promised, commensurate with it. Miracles after miracles and experience after experiences. Faith just keep on growing by God's grace. That is something undeniable.

BTW, as in the meme of /k/, I stop at IF I was satan....

peace brother.

i understand what you mean bro.

offtrack and not in FSM tradition, i've also asked myself would it be easier for me to believe in a God if not for bible(s), koran etc? the answer is a surprising yes, are you surprised n shock? my main meat is with the written words (translated at that), hence i arrived at point no. 3 given earlier. point number 3 implies i could have believed in a flawed God. (< yeah... i know oxymoron) lol but it would make whole lot of sense and ultimately make me a believer. contrary to what you perceived about me, i can budge to this (a glimmer of hope for me maybe?)

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Added on November 1, 2012, 11:06 amwhen i have questions about the bible i always come here looking for u

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Added on November 1, 2012, 11:10 ami'd like it if God designed people to be convinced through arguments, debates, identification of fallacies etc. --- hallmakrs of intelligence or apperance to be of intelligence lol (< 2nd best, best of course would be his grand appearance) no sarcasm here, trust me

This post has been edited by hotjake: Nov 1 2012, 11:11 AM

Bro, I'll get back to you. got work.

God gave me a verse this morning. Dunno if it means anything to you but here it is.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NIV)
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

you can replace the word "world" with your name.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 1 2012, 11:32 AM

ha, still hankering on God "creating" Satan giving us hard life lessons eh? I don't see that as a flaw.
See, as far as I know, God doesn't allow the devil to attack anyone as he please. Some people, yes but within retrain.
There is a verse in the book of proverbs that says, iron sharpens iron? And whatever the devil throws at a believer, God can use it
to turn it around for his/her good. That is His ability and power.

If you're concern about translation problem, I don't see what's the big deal because I would suggest that you look at the bigger picture. In the
part of a mistranslated passage, there are other translated version you can refer to. And there are Hebrew and Greek concordance or dictionary which you can buy at any Christian book shop for extra references. The internet is a free resource and has wide translation versions.
Anyway, there are always footnotes at the bottom of every page of the Bible to help you out. Some Bible even have Greek or Hebrew concordance included.

The Bible is alive and amazing. You can never really finish reading all of it and end it just like that.
Even if you read some passages repeatedly, Some part make sense and some parts are revealed in later stage of your life.
And amazingly it's from the same passage. It is God's living word, sharper than any sword. When it speaks, it really speaks to your heart.
One thing though. It is the Holy Spirit of God who inspired the writers to pen down in paper. He is the originator of thoughts and word in the Bible.
You really need His spirit to be in you to get spiritual understanding. To read it without God's spirit can lead to frustration at times.

And one other thing. You got to know this. The Devil will use all necessary measures to stop you from reading the Bible or get you confuse and can even deceive you to misunderstand scriptures so that you hate or push you away from God.

And so yeah, you're welcome to ask any of us about the Bible in here. I think Peh Kay is quite deep in his explanation.

Unfortunate bro, it doesn't work that way. God is not interested in arguments. He's more interested to set you free from sin, so that you live on eternally. If you want God to reveal himself to you, ask him in simple faith to do so. He will speak to you in ways you can understand. I've heard of unbelievers seeing signs and wonders, dreams, or even visions. There's this story in our Church where a sister who has an unbelieving elder sister saw an image of a cross near a window in a fashion of white light. Just the other day, someone saw a vision of Jesus in a trance like state I think.

Well not everyone get so dramatic signs and wonders. Here's my story. To cut the long story short, I was in a stage in my life where I couldn't take it anymore back in the early 90's. Felt really hopeless and suicidal, I cry out to God. I didn't know who it was. I just screamed in silence. That sort of thing, lol. I said, God, if you are out there, help me. Lo and behold, just few days later on, somebody introduce me to Christ. Talk about coincidence.
But when I think back now, today, I know it's no coincidence. He answered me, through other people. Then it becomes a journey. I say this to God's glory. He never leave me nor forsake me. That's from my heart.

New Covenant Blessings Part 2



In the book of Galatians 5 verse 1, the apostle Paul, pleaded that since Jesus has set us free from Law of the OT and when you become a believer of Christ, don't go back and make yourself as slave to the Law again. Otherwise it is pointless for you to be a Christian. I hope you can open up your Bible and follow me through this devotion while referring to it.

If you read on the continuing verses, he talks about why the Law cannot make you righteous and if you insist to go back to it, you have fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:2-6)

Many a times it's common that we think when we sinned in lack of obedience to God therefore we have fallen from grace. But No, according to this verse in Galatians 5:4, if you try to justify yourself with the Law of the OT, you have fallen away from grace.

God's grace cannot come on people who thinks it is their performance or their obedience that makes them righteous. And this is largely a problem the way how common preachers preach in Malaysia. They usually say you must obey God's word, you must walk a righteous path, otherwise God cannot bless you or protect you, etc. Something like that.

And all the while, I submit to you, people interpreted that as, oh I must obey in order to be righteous or to get blessings.

But if you read in the book of Romans, our Righteousness is given to us as a gift. (Romans 3:22) So Why are we still trying to earn it? Something for you to ponder.

Dear Friends. Why do we need God's grace? Do you know Grace is not just God's mercy? Grace is also God's favour, his blessings.

In Romans 5:17, we will reign in life. or should I say, We RULE in life when we receive abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness. See the word there gift again? That is why we need Grace and the Gift of Righteousness.

And how do we get these gifts? By our obedience? By our own righteousness? No. By our Faith.

And Galatians 5:6 nailed it home.

The only thing that counts is our Faith expressed through Love. Why Love? Because when we walk in love, one it fulfils all the requirement of the Law of OT (Galatians 5:14) and two, nothing can make us stumble (1 John 2:10) and three God says when you do that, You manifest the reality of God in your Life. (1 John 4:12) And by the grace of God, you can literally feel the presence of God when you walk in Love because the Bible define God is love.

So start walking in Faith and in Love. You will reign in Life, God's abundance blessings will flow and with your spiritual walk will never the same again.


God Bless!

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 3 2012, 11:28 AM

Good day all buddies! Let's start the day with a happy smile

ugpm

This post has been edited by hotjake: Nov 4 2012, 10:04 PM

yeah I got it.



Of course not. He's more interested to kill you, confuse and keep you in the dark rather than answer you anything.

Did you know, base on what you pm me, You're sanctified before God even though you're not a complete believer? Sanctified means set apart for God. That sort of put you under God's grace temporary until you accept Him fully with the confession of your mouth. Just a thought for you.


Lets not talk about bijan and his great "miraculously disappearing" magic power.

Yeah, the Bible mention it as deceiving signs and wonder. ( Matthew 24:24) But those "miracles" experiences are to what end? to be fearful of spirits? or to draw you near to God? Because the main theme of the gospel is about Jesus's love for you unto your salvation and an abundant Life. His miracles and power is to bring you closer to God.

I don't know about you but I notice the world's religion do not emphasize on this. Healing and restoration. There's an organization that specialize in this ministry (03-79608370). You can call them and they'll point to you real patients who are completely healed of their chronic health conditions that's undeniable.

Yeah I agree, there are some con jobs in the Christian world and it's usually tied to either love of money or heresy. But anyhow they're usually exposed out of the body of Christ one way or another. Bear in mind we have God as our head CEO, protecting his own. He will now allow his people to be deceived and You usually noticed that in the news.

i confessed when i was 14 (thereabouts) and again when i was 21. and yeah maybe like u said the word "fully" wasn't fully on both occasions but God knows i tried and i was honest with myself and to Him. seems surprising coming from me, eh?

This post has been edited by hotjake: Nov 5 2012, 12:48 AM

From me, erm...I know there are people who have similar journey in life like yours, so to say completely surprise not really but I'm glad to know you're open.

but I'm very confident God is not surprise and neither is he angry at you for the choices that you've made.

He will wait patiently for you.

Got a guy in our Church, I think he got more serious with God at a later age past retirement age. With white hair at the sides.

I just feel that's a bit too late because He could have gotten more out of Life at an earlier age.

Unfortunately, I've seen racism happening in churches. I have conducted several experiments on Chinese Christian families by sending my Indian friend going door to door (also a Christian) to gauge on the responses.

You will be surprised of how they were more shocked to have an Indian approaching them than a Chinese, even if all the people involved are Christians.

That one not surprise la.

Call me vain but I always feel most Christians in Church are baby sheep.

Even the apostle Paul felt the same. (Hebrews 5:12) lololol.

Do you think it will be okay if I go up to these families and JUDGE them for their racism after I catch them in video camera?

not only racist brah... but they can be the biggest hypocrites and surprise surprise the most superstitious

Baby sheeps need to be guided with love la bro.

It takes God to change their life to be open to all races because only He has a Heart big enough and patience long enough and the power to move situations to make people get it in life.

You and I when we take out the whips and rod of judgement will only make them see us as attention horse in church even with sincere intentions.

What I mean is this, we become examples for others to see. Good that you practise no racism. God will use that to shine a light in their lives to expose their weakness.

Just continue to be a good example. There is power in there.

Sometimes I feel that they should be caught red-handed. As a matter of fact, I will continue conducting several experiments to put them in a situation where their racism will be tested.

ermmm being a good example doesn't involve judging, you know that right?

all the best to you then, hope it doesn't back fire. nanti you get burned also.

Fighting fire with fire, everyone gets burned.

And why, and how would I get burned by catching someone in the act of racism?

Both conscious and unconscious racism.

People will be motivated to listen and perhaps change when approach from a non aggressive angle.

That's what happen to the woman caught in the act of adultery. (John 8)

The pharisee and teachers of the law wanted condemnation and judgement to be sentenced right away by stoning her.

But Jesus didn't and to the surprise of those standing there, gave her a gift of no condemnation and the Bible mentioned she responded in later chapters in repentance.

Yes, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing? I remember that.