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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V5, Anticipating D700 replacement !

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post Feb 19 2011, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(bbuser91 @ Feb 19 2011, 12:56 AM)
Sama sama

I need to wait more 2 years to collect my wanted len , 24-70, 24mm, FX bodies =(
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Im getting it on the 6th or 7th next month.... man i realllllly can't wait.. i can't believe it myself.. d700, 2470, sb900.. whoot!!


Guys.. can u give me suggestions for a tripod and bag to fit those items?


Added on February 19, 2011, 2:31 am
QUOTE(Beanie2304 @ Feb 19 2011, 02:25 AM)
Which lens will you guys choose between 35MM f/1.8 & 55-200 f/4-5.6? @_@
Planning to get a new lens with my angpau money LOL!
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man that's a big difference in terms of usage... what kind of photos are do u want to take?

pretty useless buying a lens just for the sake of spending money..

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post Feb 19 2011, 03:21 AM

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How much is the bumblebee 222? i'm thinking the about the kata dr-467i

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post Feb 19 2011, 03:56 AM

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Wow..quite expensive for a backpack that size..although it is quite big.

I need a bag that looks like a normal backpack, isn't too flashy, practical, and not to big so that I can carry it with me on an airplane...

looking at kata & lowepro but i'm confused as there are a lot of bags to look at and im not sure all the shops carry all models.
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(ReeNz @ Feb 19 2011, 05:15 AM)
Thinktank Streetwalker series might suit your need..
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Is is still in the market? I can't find the price of it. Thanks for the info.. smile.gif i'll do some more searching.


Added on February 19, 2011, 10:48 am
QUOTE(Tony Stark @ Feb 19 2011, 06:04 AM)
U nid an expensive bag to store your expensive gears maa.. laugh.gif
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Haha.. expensive doesn't mean it's good. but it's mostly true... hehe..



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post Feb 19 2011, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(ReeNz @ Feb 19 2011, 08:02 AM)
Poor man's 85mm arrived at my home just now..

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Wowww.. Now sigma gives adaptor hoods for aps-c format cameras? Nice... That is long.. very long for an 85. Wonder how long will the sigma 70200 look like with an aps-c hood adaptor.
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post Feb 21 2011, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Feb 20 2011, 12:33 PM)
@celciuz, how much you get your xs-pro 77mm ?
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Bro KTCY, for the nikon 2470 can I use B+W F-PRO or should I get the XS-PRO?
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post Feb 21 2011, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(daze @ Feb 21 2011, 10:03 AM)
save the XS-Pro for ultra wide angle lens.
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Feb 21 2011, 10:03 AM)
F-PRO also can already actually.
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Thanks bro KTCY & daze. It's slim enough not to cause vignetting right? Are there any noticeable differences between these two filters?

Compared to high end HOYA filters? which is better?

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post Feb 21 2011, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 21 2011, 10:37 AM)
Its a Nikkor 2470, get the best! XS-Pro.
F-Pro and Hoya HD? I would go for Hoya HD anytime. But if XS-Pro and Hoya HD then you need to decide tongue.gif.
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You mean Hoya Pro1D right? Im confused about hoya's filters.. there's so many new & discontinued models with almost similar names.

I've read this before somewhere here that either hoya or b+w is a pain in the *** to clean. I'm guessing the hoya is the one. Is it true?


Added on February 21, 2011, 12:19 pm
QUOTE(vitac_hao @ Feb 21 2011, 12:01 PM)
I think should be ok. Cause last time i'm using Sony TX9 they don't flew away. Just that the P n S camera not so detailed.
Any lens can recommend ?? The one use in D90 ok ??
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Budget rm2.5k or below
- Get the Nikon 18-200 VRII or get the Tamron 18-270VC
- or get the Nikon 70-300 VRII

Budget 1k and below - get the sigma/nikon/tamron 70-300.

That's that.

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post Feb 21 2011, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 21 2011, 01:12 PM)
Referring to Hoya HD
Hoya Pro1D and B+W XS-Pro is hard to clean because of their coating. The Hoya HD is easy to clean.
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So both the XS and Pro1D is hard to clean? Aisey...

I asked this guy working in a camera shop about filters suitable for the 2470... he didn't even mention B+W much less Hoya. He directly answered Rodenstock & Heliopan. I know Heliopan makes filters...but I'm really in the dark about Rodenstock.

Can anyone tell me about these 2 filter brands?
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post Feb 21 2011, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Feb 21 2011, 05:31 PM)
Pro1d just like normal UV filter.
the pl-cir are Polarizing filter


Added on February 21, 2011, 5:32 pmoh yeah..most of fx lens dont have autofocus motor, so need focus manually smile.gif
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most fx lens dont have AF motor? U SURE? this is 2011 and not 90s. Most Nikon FX lenses currently in production have AF motor. SWM motor to be exact.


The only downside to normal consumers are that these lenses are mostly expensive.
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post Feb 21 2011, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ Feb 21 2011, 05:27 PM)
ani gd UWA lens to re-commend...?
gd one...
if possible...
can be UWA @ DX & FX...
prefer wif zoom one...
no nid big aperature...
currently thinking nikon 16-35 or 12-24...
ani better choice...?
other brand oso can...
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If you wanna use for both DX & FX - I would really recommend 1635 f4. can still use normal type filters unlike 1424.

If you wanna use for DX only - Tokina 1116 f2.8, Sigma 1020 f3.5. I never tried any nikon DX ultrawides yet..so cannot comment on them.


Added on February 21, 2011, 5:57 pm
QUOTE(gnome @ Feb 21 2011, 05:52 PM)
Didnt know there are normal and abnormal consumer laugh.gif
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me too..never heard of that.. lucky u came up with one.. doh.gif

Ever heard of prosumer? whistling.gif


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post Feb 21 2011, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ Feb 21 2011, 06:05 PM)
Nikon 1635 not gd...?
as it kinda make up my mind adi...
i like d zoom range coverage...
as big aperature is not a need for me...
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The nikon 1635 is a great performer. It would be 24mm on DX which is wide enuf for me personally, plus u can use it on FX.
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post Feb 21 2011, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 21 2011, 06:20 PM)
All new lens have AF-S.
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Yup.. all new lens have SWM but not all lens currently in production have swm.
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Feb 21 2011, 09:37 PM)
24-70 is a damn good lens, i also feel like getting one after using it but i shall stick to my path and get 85 1.4 first  sweat.gif
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most people buy the 2470 for weddings.. but for portraits on FF, the 85 1.4D & 85 1.4G is 2nd to none!
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 21 2011, 10:18 PM)
i suggest u dont use the hoya hmc on the 70-300vr, im using that same combo...or at least i was...now no more.
here are the 100% crop samples i shot this evening.
i took a few shots with filter, and few without filter of the same spot to make sure its consistent.
i guess the differences should be obvious.

with filter.
[attachmentid=2054727][attachmentid=2054728]

w/o filter.
[attachmentid=2054729][attachmentid=2054730]
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Yup.. noticeable difference in sharpness & noise too. Guess I have to look at heliopan's filters for the 2470
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post Feb 22 2011, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Feb 21 2011, 11:56 PM)
Guys, are the old fixed aperture telephoto nikkor lens reliable? Like 80-200mm f2.8. Which version is decent enough? Or better get the third party ones? Sharpness, bokeh & etc

Thinking of selling my 50mm f1.4 & 55-200mm for it. Rarely used the 50mm lens coz it's only sharp when going above f/2 (at least for my eyes).

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I don't have the nikon 50 1.4, I thought it would be sharp at f/2.

In a wedding & another event, I used a D90 with Nikon AFD 80200 f/2.8 two touch version & not the 2 previous models of the push pull version. It is sharp and built like a tank.. and it weighs like a tank too... I believe it is more durable & could withstand more hard knocks than newer lenses with SWM motor and VR.

Speed wise, newer lenses like 70200 VR & VR2 and the Sigma 70200 HSM focuses & locks focus faster. I tried an older version of Sigma 70200 HSM and it focuses really fast, & the latest version with OS would be much better I guess. Suitable for events, weddings & fast action stuffs. BUT KEEP IN MIND that the Tamron 70200 comes with a slow motor (micromotor) and focuses really slow. The Nikon 80200 is faster imo.

The older 80200 is damn nice but it is slower (don't know how much slower it is) compared to lenses with SWM/HSM motor like the 70200s. For portraits, outdoors the 80200 performs fast enough.

- If you really need the best with VR - Nikon 70200VRii or Nikon 70200VRi

- Still want fast focus with lower budget - Sigma 70200 (there's 2 current models with & without OS (VR equivalent) and if you want sigma, make sure you check the focusing because some tend to back/front focus)

- Don't really shoot fast moving objects but want tank like build quality & durability - Nikon AFD 80200 (two touch version) -NIKON-

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post Feb 22 2011, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 22 2011, 08:50 AM)
the starting point for the 80-200 would be the AF-D one ring version, around rm1.8k used.
after that i would jump straight to the 80-200 AF-S two touch...about rm4k used, ignoring the 80-200 AF-D two touch which sits in the middle of those two somewhere.
real men dont need VR  flex.gif
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Afaik people mention the 1st & 2nd version the push pull version. Well, no matter, just a difference in calling those lenses anyways.

The Nikon AFD 80200 f/2.8 two touch version is still in production till now.

Okay I'm just telling this from what other photographers told me personally as I've never used one before, the AFS 80200 has a problematic SWM motor or something like that and it would fail totally or have focusing problems. Repairing the SWM motor is really expensive. Much less durable than the AFD version for sure. My friends told me either get the AFD 80200 two touch version or the newer 70200VR1 for DX and VR2 for FX if I have the money.


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QUOTE(KTCY @ Feb 22 2011, 09:52 AM)
Very true. Getting the AF-S 80200 might as well get VR 1
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Yup yup.. price difference is close and plus you can get VR


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 22 2011, 10:25 AM)
interesting.
another camp says dont get the 80-200 AFD two touch cos the manual focus ring eventually gives way or crack.
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Never heard of such... maybe there are problems like that happening to some people but the problem with the AFS 80200 is a lot more serious as it just stop functioning all together and the cost of repairing the motor is a bomb.

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post Feb 22 2011, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 22 2011, 08:58 AM)
wedding shots ppl want to see their faces la.
not fancy low light scenery.

and thats why some ppl drag assistants who carry tripods tongue.gif
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Yup people wanna see their faces... but it doesn't suit every couple. Every couple has their wants & needs for their wedding pics.

Another thing VR is very helpful is when you are forbidden to use flash photography for jobs like weddings and events. Been there, done that. It happens.

After doing weddings & events a couple of years now, I found out that not all couple's taste are the same...


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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Feb 22 2011, 01:00 PM)
Deng, just now was playing with my friend's D7000, and I got poisoned again. Now the performance gap between DX and FX is already so close, I wonder how close it would be when D400 is release... hmm.gif
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I wonder how far it will be again when the D4 comes out.

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post Feb 22 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 22 2011, 04:03 PM)
Better option, D700 + 2470 Nano.
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Woottt .. gonna get it on the 8th or 9th next month with sb900...


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