Gumstick do not play 24bit, same to C30.

C30 is using Class AB amplifier where gumstick are Class A amp. Class AB have less pushing power, so i do not think that it can push well on higher impedance headphone

Gumstick use about 85%-95% of volume to push DT880, so i do not think C30 can do that well as it have less pushing capability.

On the other hand, just read and i wish to correct some point here. Based on the technical design of this mp3 player. Class A amp are supposed to have better design and hence it is actually sound better.

BBE equalizer do not actually improve the sound, but it equalize the sound, as everybody know, Equalizer general make the sound changed, not better, It is always equal, one thing go up, the other thing go down, as layman term.

seems you are not welcome me.
I m here as i dont wish to have anybody to be mis-informed.

From your point of view, So the factory shall discontinued their Class A model as it is no point keeping it, Class AB have bettery life and etc? If then why would Hisound Audio price their Class A higher than Class AB. For your informations, the design are different, and you get different grade products.

I have tried this C30 months, or year ago.

Please do not point out, where this BBE used. Do this justified this is a high end settings or things like that? and i m not sure, whether BBE have grade different? It is just a equalizer. But, how can a equalizer make song better? It is one thing up, and one thing down, that's why it called "EQUALizer". I have tried with one friends here, with his cowon player, i think he will totally agree with me, equalizer is something to make yourself happy, not to make yourself to have better sound ?

Sorry i will not wish to have any war here. Just retained this as pure discussion ok?

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Added on March 11, 2011, 3:25 pmYes, you got the correct point, BBE is not something to make sound better, it is a equalizer, to make sound changed. BBE is more on a shortcut of good EQ settings. Enjoy your music

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Added on March 11, 2011, 3:28 pmYes, i will agree C30 is a good player even if the BBE is absent, Everyone have the rights to enjoy their music in the way they wan, in this world, there is no any equalizer settings that can make the player better, but no doubt, some EQ settings do shine in some earphone, but not with every type of music. As such you seen the EQ settings are named by Genre of music.

This post has been edited by yuheng: Mar 11 2011, 03:31 PM

Thanks for letting me to write something here.

I have never use any of my authority if you can seen all my previous reply. I came here as personal LYN (not Jaben) and i do not hold any special power. Because i worked in Jaben store, it make me always have the difficulty to post anywhere, the new user here tend to perceive me to promote this and that. But you can find that, i hardly post, to prevent any misunderstanding. All of the senior member here told me to have same problem, so everybody hardly came here, and it become so cool here. We need more technical ppl to explain to everybody. It is out, let's cut it here.

BBE is not something to mentioned as it do not represent to be higher end. It is used in higher end player, but it do not justify to claim that, this give better sound, as my previous post, it is just to give you a better shortcut on better equalizer. Equalizer are always equal, one thing up and one thing down.

But as you can find from post above, it do not actually make sound more enjoyable, it is different from people to people. Your customer also point out that, BBE is too color to them? Not to flame you but i will admit C30 is a good player, from my ear it is not better than gumstick, and the BBE will not make any player, or any sounds to be tiger and cat? agree?

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Added on March 11, 2011, 3:57 pmIf you can understand what is the design of both player, Hisound Class A and Class AB, you will know the grade is really defined by the price differences.
I have both unit of Class A and Class AB Hisound player at my side, all of my customer told me, Class A is better than Class AB.

This post has been edited by yuheng: Mar 11 2011, 03:57 PM

Not that anyone are noob or pro....enjoying music do not differentiate by level of listening that you have go thru or trained, but you just cant conclude that one player is superior/inferior than the other player, by just saying that, one have this EQ and the other don't. As EQ will not make the anything sounds better, Forever. This can be proved as your customer also mentioned he do not like the coloration of the BBE.

We just need to have neutral comments, you can love this or that, without people agree or so. that is your personal preferences

Given to that facts that, add in special EQ might make you love the sound presentation more, but you will never able to prove that it sound better. As BBE is an equalizer, and so sorry for my last description, one thing up and the other thing will go down eventually. "sound better" have to be done in proper comparison, more on refinement testing already as this is DAC comparison. that is another 3 pages stories ald. I will cut from here

This post has been edited by yuheng: Mar 11 2011, 04:27 PM

Don't call me Sifu, I am not.
For my understanding, BBE is an EQ, that have better shortcut, give more options on how's the frequency tuned.
You can defined how you like it to be. I have no control. as long as it is neutral enough to be studied by other friend who wish to seek for accurate informations.

Enjoy